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Xecor

clintmo_bhopwarehouse done in 00:26 ( 00:27 by drake )

Frei

kz_dm_dedication911_e done in 13:15 ( 13:23 by t0ffo )

eleX

kz_kzfr_militarycamp done in 09:38 ( 10:19 by Frei )

ThEBiShOp

kz_man_eznasa done in 01:19 ( 01:34 by FikoN )

RebuZ

kz_phoogi done in 05:18 ( 05:49 by dropsys )

loty

kz_waterfalls done in 04:05 ( 04:10 by loty )

KNiFEAR

rd_jump_house done in 06:29 ( 06:36 by scary^^ )

DHT-

sn_minivolcano done in 02:58 ( n/a )

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-nightmare-
21/09/2005 19:59:00

wee, new demos :D . dling...

XeopH
21/09/2005 20:09:00

omfg.. gj all !amazed

Flipsyde
21/09/2005 20:14:00

yeee new demos!! gj all! :)

seaK
21/09/2005 20:14:00

gj eleX ;-)

OddYsseus
21/09/2005 20:19:00

Xecor is on fire gj all

Chrizzy mapper Tournament #3
21/09/2005 20:25:00

!amazed gj all

Xecor
21/09/2005 20:27:00

gj every1 :D

raYLa
21/09/2005 20:40:00

Xecor is becoming a "Bhopmonster" :D little joke :) nice dude

HoHo^
21/09/2005 20:57:00

Nice

tarGet
21/09/2005 21:16:00

nice demos all !

Perfo
22/09/2005 10:09:00

hinhinhin nice demos @ Frei

Flipsyde
22/09/2005 12:07:00

can't dl rd_jump_house demo... :/ y? is link broken? can u fix it?

Chrizzy mapper Tournament #3
22/09/2005 12:45:00

there's several i can't download :(

elITe^
22/09/2005 13:11:00

Nice demos!! Xecor - u pwned that map :D GJ! eleX - gj, but u can do it better :) i'm w8'ing :P ThEBiShOp - u pwned that map so hard :D GJ! RebuZ - gj that was a nice demo ;) DHT- - gj ^^ and the rest i havent watched.. cuz breakfast is ready :D :P I could'nt dl rd_jumphouse either :(

DHT- Tournament #1
22/09/2005 13:20:00

GJ DHT- YOUR THE OWNAGE!!!1111oneONEonE

ey wo sind meine kekse ?
22/09/2005 14:53:00

ye DHT u rock ! haven`t seen t3h dem but im sure u pwned t3h whole map ! lol eLi ... just say : gj all ... that would be enough :D gj rebuz

-nightmare-
22/09/2005 15:13:00

nice demos everyone, gj dudes^^

DHT- Tournament #1
22/09/2005 15:49:00

haha :D

OddYsseus
22/09/2005 17:19:00

*rd_jump_house-link-fixed*

Flipsyde
22/09/2005 19:51:00

thank you oddy

4knuk
22/09/2005 20:36:00

gj all and btw RebuZ wwating for australia demo :D

faker mapper
24/09/2005 01:08:00

gj all :)

elITe^
24/09/2005 19:45:00

no kekse i wanna give every1 a comment :@ mind ur own busniess!!!111 gj every1 :D :E

Stabilot
17/12/2009 18:37:00

Nice work

Hymi
17/12/2009 18:42:00

gj

rK
17/12/2009 19:00:00

true words, hope this article gonna move something

DiDo-Grecord holder
17/12/2009 19:05:00

:)

heXz0r
17/12/2009 19:10:00

nice ;]

omilo
17/12/2009 19:14:00

Hope this reminds people that it's not only about having WR's or beeing the best lj'er. I havn't forgotten to have fun anyway :) GJ chrizzo!

Kureno
17/12/2009 19:17:00

Really Nice :D, gj chrizZo

theddy
17/12/2009 19:50:00

nice work, gj :)

BooLiSH
17/12/2009 20:14:00

i remember.. when i started kreedzing i used to be very different to when I/you play now. those days it WAS the final gole to reach the top.. time was not important. I did so many screenshots of the maps ..:P As soon as you become better and faster it happens automatically that you start looking on the timer etc.. if it wasn't kreedz, it would have been someone else to add a timer

w0nd3rfuL-_-
17/12/2009 20:40:00

good :)

akkord mapper
17/12/2009 22:22:00

i used gravity or stepsize as oldschool checkpoints back then xD

didq-_-
18/12/2009 00:21:00

That's really sad, but true, great essay [b]ChrizZo[/b]. +1 [b]rK[/b] - we shall see. :]

unBreakS
29/05/2010 18:36:00

no

PoshitO
29/05/2010 18:49:00

NO. camping is for pussys, if the player who has the advantage is pro if he fails, he is gonna win anyways. for the guys who said YES, name 1 match in wich one player was ahead the whole run and fails and lose the match (akkord didnt get hp, so dont give me that example)

Keo mapper
29/05/2010 18:59:00

Of course not. Players participate to play no to camp.

CoMMoN
29/05/2010 19:09:00

@ poshito, even if it did happen, shit happens. you`ve joined the whatever, to play, not to camp like a fag when you see yourself in the lead. the point is, just look at this question: would you like to see camping being allowed? i mean .. who the hell would like to see camping ? lol.

remake
29/05/2010 19:22:00

Ofcourse, so I could camp on the first block on sandblock2 and win because all the other players failed on the last second. And who the fuck likes to spectate player climbing for 5 minutes? It's way more interesting to spectate a camping player for 5 minutes.

Fliborecord holder Tournament #2
29/05/2010 19:26:00

Yes. Arguments: http://xtreme-jumps.eu/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?219693

Fliborecord holder Tournament #2
29/05/2010 19:29:00

remake, I don't see how this rule even affects that situation. You could try to make the first jump for 4 minutes and 55 seconds without succeeding, and when there are 5 seconds left you can camp on the first block and win. Why would the other players even fall down (and die) in the last seconds anyway? They can always camp...

remake
29/05/2010 20:05:00

Sorry Flibo, I myself find it also very interesting if bunch of players are camping on a single block because the next jump is too risky.

perd0 mapper
29/05/2010 20:20:00

lol of course yes. if im faster than my oponent, why couldnt i camp? i completed the longer part of map than my oponent, its not my fail, that he is slow.

kznoob
29/05/2010 21:50:00

i dont care what the retarded public wants. The majority of this community has an iq of a tree. Allow camping or tell me why it should be forbidden, after fully reading all of my posts in my thread of course. It's simple. So my vote: idc.

beg1ner 1337¼
29/05/2010 22:11:00

lol guys this is a game stop acting so arrogant -.- it's all for pleasure so don't act like a..holes and just have fun :) on topic, i think that it must have some limit for example 5-10 secs or smtn because you can't camp the whole game and then in the last seconds your opponent fails and you are like "OMG i won dude you are such a looser" imo it shouldn't be forbidden but everything must have limits

boom.dll
29/05/2010 22:35:00

lol kznoob... first you make on hell of a big deal about this, then you vote "i don't care". way to stand up for your cause. oh... and stop insulting people. you're not as bright as you might think...

M@UGLI
30/05/2010 00:02:00

no. with camping the game wouldn't be so interesting

Chrizzy mapper Tournament #3
30/05/2010 01:11:00

no!

kQbmigrecord holder
30/05/2010 01:28:00

lol m@ugli then stop doing it :/

m0ver
30/05/2010 01:32:00

I actually voted yes, but we need to think something better than "play for 5 minutes".

kunqui
30/05/2010 01:46:00

There's a limit for some players, I mean some guys can jump up to a certain block and then maybe they give up and camp here for precaution.. And It leaves to the "best" player start over again try and maybe pass his opponent... but nevermind.. because on some maps a simple fail finish on a 1 minute fall and you loss the match.. It's very correlative

PepoMerca
30/05/2010 08:59:00

damn i voted yes, but i don want camping!

spr1n mapper
30/05/2010 10:49:00

[b]NO[/b] what the worst thing can happen with nocamp rule? player can use strategy to reach the hard point by the end of cup. what the worst thing can happen with camp allowed? X players can camp Y time till the end and have Z rematches. cup was always about climbing ahaed of others, not reaching the farest point possible (I hope you feel the difference). Nocamp rule just keeps the 1st option of the cup gameplay. [b]Conclusion[/b] 1. camp allowing [u]brings even more nasty/lame/bad things[/u] (rather those people mentioned about nocamp play) 2. I find that nocamp rule is better to [u]separate climbers by skill[/u] in a cup

Trolis
30/05/2010 13:36:00

NO, it makes the game more booring.

Cypek
30/05/2010 14:24:00

[color=#ff0000]No![/color] Do not ruin the fun of cups!!! [b][size=36]BIG NO![/size][/b]

Pqst`
30/05/2010 15:05:00

definitly NO! so lame....

Stefkicha
30/05/2010 15:39:00

"The majority of this community has an iq of a tree". So true. The "camping" issue isn't something that should be solved by voting. It should be solved by a debate (you know, that thing with "arguments" and "mature discussion"). If kznoob can prove that forbidding camping doesn't make sense, then it doesn't matter what the rest of the community thinks or feels about it. If they have an issue with it, they should back it up with arguments.

Gargoyle
30/05/2010 16:13:00

Stefkicha the matter is actually being "debated" in forums, just like Flibo linked. But the fact is that I won't be persuaded by logic in this case. I still see it that camping has nothing to do with KZ.

remake
30/05/2010 16:21:00

"The majority of this community has an iq of a tree" Fucking ignorant.. just because people don't agree with you, they're stupid as fuck? By arguing in internet and insulting everybody really shows that you have higher iq than anybody else other in this community..

remake
30/05/2010 16:25:00

Stefkicha: HOW AWESOME, kznoob came up with some arguments and now the rest of the community should shut up and face that whatever he says, will happen? I bet you haven't even read the thread..

Fliborecord holder Tournament #2
30/05/2010 19:23:00

@ remake & Gargoyle Logic is something that should be obeyed.

Mehrshad3D
30/05/2010 19:45:00

[size=36][b]No[/b][/size]

Woxy
30/05/2010 22:33:00

No couse it won't be interesting to watch cup if player camps all the time

zhady Tournament #2
31/05/2010 04:29:00

No, the most superior player wins without camping for more information (kznoob) watch rankings in extreme league. I could've fallen to loose 15 times, however I only fell once and won the rest of the matches. Chrizzo could've fallen 15 times too, to loose, however he won 13 of them. ...etc ........

zhady Tournament #2
31/05/2010 04:38:00

And, do you see anyone in top5 thats not good enough to be there? And are there anyone of the bottom 5 that should be in top5 (skill-wise)? And are you surprised by any of the players current positions in this on-going league? Would the rankings look different if camping was allowed for 5 minutes? That's the questions...

solo-24
31/05/2010 04:51:00

I agree zhady said

zhady Tournament #2
31/05/2010 05:23:00

And for the triple post... What seperates a winner from a looser? A winner makes what he has to do and not what he wants to do. That's what makes a person being a champion or not being a champion. That's the beauty when it comes to competitions, people use their brain too much, thinking thought they never should've thought of in the first place. Everyone can make the jumps while playing on their own server by theyself with checkpoints, but fail it when it really matters. There you find true skill... I mean do you think Jaap Stam would've kicked the ball 10 metres over the goal if it were on practice as he did in the Soccer World Cup? Do you think zhady would've fallen on the jump he fell on @ xtremeblock if he were alone in his server practicing? What I mean is that the most skilled players make that last jump, dont misses the last penalty kick when its either win or loose, make those 2 free-throws in the last second to win by 92-91, make that last amazing pass in the super bowl final which leads to a touchdown, gets that amazing hit to make a home run in the end, make those amazing 3 headshots 1on3 to get it into a mr 3, runs for a new world record in 100 m sprint final, makes an amazing 2nd run in slalom to gain 2 seconds and be the winner and the list goes on... There you see who is really the best, I mean theres alot of people who _COULD'VE_ been something big in all competitive sports/games with the same conditions (or even better) as the pros, however when they get the chance and they know what they have to do make it, they just cant make it. That simple pass with your friends isnt so simple when you have to make it in an official game, that jump you always make isnt so easy when its 15 seconds left and your opponent is breathing you in the neck. That free-throw isnt so easy when a whole stadium is watching you.

zhady Tournament #2
31/05/2010 05:38:00

And a last thing, we would be the first in the world to accept a rule change where a chance of winning for 1 team/player could be reduced to _EXACTLY_ 0% after playing a little more than half the game.

Fliborecord holder Tournament #2
31/05/2010 10:43:00

No, the rankings wouldn't look significantly different. You're using statistics as arguments. I'm talking about single matches. Maybe you have misunderstood the magnitude of the issue. The chance that some inferior player wins a top 5 person because of forbidding camping is quite close to like... 2%. Of course it won't be very visible in the statistics. That 2% is definitely too much though because there is no justification for it. Exactly 0%? Where did you get that from?

zhady Tournament #2
31/05/2010 16:01:00

Do a perfect run together with someone else to fall all the way down after 2 minutes and 40 seconds, the other player camps thee rest of the match 4 jumps ahead of that. Suddenly your chances of winning is reduced to exactly 0%, if you dont wanna count in that your mother might pull out your TP cable or that there is a power failure, that will significantly increase your chances of winning.

zhady Tournament #2
31/05/2010 16:10:00

So you want to change the rule because you want to give the less skilled players a higher chance to win? That makes no sense since you and kznoob made it clear that allowing camping would be in favor for the superior players in the forum thread. That would make the inferior players living on the superior's mistakes... And now comes kznoob: If he camps, you can camp too... Okay he camps on 2nd jump, I camp on 4th jump, he jumps 1 time, me too, etc... How does that show who is the most skilled? =)

cC|SpiNe
31/05/2010 16:23:00

It's just like any other sport. I'll use football as an example. Say Team A is a much better team that Team B. Team B manages to get a lucky goal(the same as a good player falling) and goes 1-0 ahead. Team B will try everything to keep that one goal lead because they know Team A is the better team. Team B will go into mega defensive mode and try everything to stop Team A from scoring. Now even though Team B have gone full on defense(camping) it doesn't mean Team A can't still score, it just makes it a lot harder for them. The game isn't about the viewers pleasure, it's about winning using strategy and skill combined. Also I'm sure many people would agree that watching a pro climber fall to the start only to catch up with the camping player would be very exciting indeed. If camping is frowned upon, then let it be that way. But it shouldn't be against the rules.

cC|SpiNe
31/05/2010 16:34:00

Sorry for the double post but I forgot to add this. If the player who is first falls it is their fault they fell. They are the one who made the mistake and should try to make up for it. Also people are saying cups shouldn't be down to luck, well they aren't and will never be. Good players also fall, the difference is they don't fall as much this is what can give them the advantage in a cup. If they fall and the player who is now in first place decides to camp well that is the other players fault.

Gargoyle
31/05/2010 17:12:00

Flibo, if you think logic is always the best option, good luck in your life. I see great dead ends in your life.

zhady Tournament #2
31/05/2010 17:25:00

[i]"Now even though Team B have gone full on defense(camping) it doesn't mean Team A can't still score, it just makes it [b]a lot harder for them.[/b]" [/i] Alot harder isnt comparable to physically impossibility. It would be comaparable to the lower team scores after 58 minutes (= the better player falls). Now the lower team puts their goal outside of the arena where the better team cant score, cause if the ball is on the wrong side of the white lines the ball is dead. If a football team is camping as you described it the opponents can still go and get the ball, but in a jumpers perspective tehres no point trying cause it isnt possible wheather you want it to be or not. You can still combine strategy and skill in kz-cups, wait 4 seconds on every single jump to stall the game and avoid the "hard" jump you cant do, you knew the jump was there before the cup started and you cant blame someone else but you that you cant do it.

cC|SpiNe
31/05/2010 19:39:00

"you cant blame someone else but you that you cant do it." Exactly, you can't blame anyone else that you fell and gave the lead to your opponent. After you have fallen the only way realistically you can win is by your opponent "commiting suicide".

zhady Tournament #2
31/05/2010 20:09:00

Ofc, but a game is open for mistakes for 5 minutes, not 2:30min or 4min. Makes no sense to add a rule where making a mistake is reduced to 0%. You make it sound like the one who makes the first mistake have lost, I mean how often is that true in any game/sport?

Fliborecord holder Tournament #2
31/05/2010 20:44:00

[quote]So you want to change the rule because you want to give the less skilled players a higher chance to win?[/quote] Where did I say that? I said the exact opposite. [quote]Do a perfect run together with someone else to fall all the way down after 2 minutes and 40 seconds, the other player camps thee rest of the match 4 jumps ahead of that. Suddenly your chances of winning is reduced to exactly 0%[/quote] Play more secure then if you don't want to fall. Anyways, as I said, if you fall like that in a map where camping is not allowed, okay, let's say that you have 5% chance of having the other person falling thus you winning. Does that really feel like a victory to you? You won solely because you fell before he fell. Thus [quote]You make it sound like the one who makes the first mistake have lost, I mean how often is that true in any game/sport?[/quote] You make it sound like the one who makes the first mistake wins. Of course it's a bit more complicated than that, but that is the basis of it. [quote]Flibo, if you think logic is always the best option, good luck in your life. I see great dead ends in your life.[/quote] Logic is always the best option. Everything always bases on logic. Basing decisions on logic is always advantegous. Have a good day.

Nikša Jovanovic
31/05/2010 20:55:00

no of course ...

Cypek
31/05/2010 21:51:00

I think people who [b][color=#ff0000]DO NOT[/color][/b] play any cups shouldn't have rights to vote!!!

knoxville
31/05/2010 22:06:00

No.

kznoob
31/05/2010 23:58:00

alright, voted yes after all. make another poll and name it "do you want to see the better cup player win in a cup?". If yes, allow camping. p.s Flibo, if you think logic is always the best option, good luck in your life. I see great dead ends in your life. LMAO

zhady Tournament #2
01/06/2010 00:10:00

the better cup players are already winning kznoob ;)

Stefkicha
01/06/2010 00:14:00

Oh my god. Just make a comparison. Look at the people who say "Yes" and the reasons they're giving, then just look at (most of the) the people who say "No" and the reasons they're giving here.

kznoob
01/06/2010 00:35:00

lol, at the moment, you have no cups, you have no winners, all you if is a retarded competition that logically contradicts itself, but i don't want to get into that again. Oh and by the way, it would be the ultimate irony if xj decides to keep the rule, because it's only hurting itself and scaring away sponsors/spectators. And if you falsely believe "the better cup players are already winning", then why not allow camping? Won't make a difference, right? Let's have some real cups for a change.

kznoob
01/06/2010 00:36:00

all you have*

kznoob
01/06/2010 03:07:00

aight, here we go again. [blockquote]No, the most superior player wins without camping for more information (kznoob) watch rankings in extreme league. [/blockquote] theory =/= practice. I don't care about your statistics.. Your argument is basically "oh this rule is bullshit only sometimes, so we should keep it". Look at the atrocious past cupping has had in this community, random and boring... "make a mistake first and be bad, hopefully the person you're playing against follows the rule and makes a mistakes too so that it can be alright again. Restart however many times you want, hopefully the person you're playing against restarts too. Play as if you're making a world record and finish the map once out of 100" Yeah, that's the spirit... of world records. Watching 2 players play as if they're recording world records in one try is absurd, and the result would be completely random. [blockquote]And, do you see anyone in top5 thats not good enough to be there? And are there anyone of the bottom 5 that should be in top5 (skill-wise)? And are you surprised by any of the players current positions in this on-going league? Would the rankings look different if camping was allowed for 5 minutes? That's the questions...[/blockquote] theory =/= practice, and that's the answer. [blockquote]What seperates a winner from a looser? A winner makes what he has to do and not what he wants to do. That's what makes a person being a champion or not being a champion.[/blockquote] Where, in cups? In cups, a winner is separated by the loser by being in front of the loser after 5 minutes run out. That's all he has to do, and i would assume he wants to do if he wants to win. [blockquote]That's the beauty when it comes to competitions, people use their brain too much, thinking thought they never should've thought of in the first place.[/blockquote] Huh? If i understood right then... let's limit the competitors' strategies and tell them what to do, and encourage everybody to make mistakes. yaaaaaaay. In fact let's make it very simple and just make everybody follow arbitrary rules and double objectives. aweeeeeeeeesome. "What I mean is that the most skilled players make that last jump, dont misses the last penalty kick when its either win or loose, make those 2 free-throws in the last second to win by 92-91, make that last amazing pass in the super bowl final which leads to a touchdown, gets that amazing hit to make a home run in the end, make those amazing 3 headshots 1on3 to get it into a mr 3, runs for a new world record in 100 m sprint final, makes an amazing 2nd run in slalom to gain 2 seconds and be the winner and the list goes on..." Cool... A great football team is one that follows the objective of football, with skill. A great soccer team is one that follows the objective, and yes that would include kicking that last penalty ball in, good job on figuring that out. A great counter strike team follows the counter strike objective, and can make those 3 headshots in the end if it needs them. A great baseball team makes a homerun in the end if it's falling behind in points. And finally, a great cup player is one that follows the objective of cups, and does everything necessary to follow the objective of cups (be in front of your opponent), rather one that takes wild unnecessary risks, makes the first and biggest mistake, and falls to the bottom of the map like an idiot. And a community that forces great players to take unnecessary wild risks when they've already won and didn't want to take it themselves, should be banned from the internet. Very simple, isn't it? [blockquote]There you see who is really the best, I mean theres alot of people who _COULD'VE_ been something big in all competitive sports/games with the same conditions (or even better) as the pros, however when they get the chance and they know what they have to do make it, they just cant make it. That simple pass with your friends isnt so simple when you have to make it in an official game, that jump you always make isnt so easy when its 15 seconds left and your opponent is breathing you in the neck. That free-throw isnt so easy when a whole stadium is watching you.[/blockquote] ya, i see who the best is by looking at who got further in a match where every defensive strategy is allowed. As for the rest, not sure what you're babbling about. [blockquote]That would make the inferior players living on the superior's mistakes... And now comes kznoob: If he camps, you can camp too... [/blockquote] A "superior" cannot be a "superior" if he doesn't follow the objective in a game where camping would be allowed. If camping is allowed, an "inferior" player can never live on the "superior's" mistakes, because a superior cup player makes less mistakes, and is probably going to be in front in the first place because of it, and as he widens the gap between the "inferior" he takes less chances, and as he knows the "inferior" will never catch up, he camps. The "inferior" on the other hand, risks more because he knows he's losing, which makes him make even more mistakes. However, if by the end of 5 minutes you're not ahead of your opponent, it doesn't make you "superior" in that particular match. I don't care if you've been raping the world record by 40 minutes and beating your opponent by 65 minutes, if you can't hold on to your lead when it matters objectively in a match where camping is allowed and you lose because your opponent camped at 5 minutes, you're an inferior cup player. Camping is a subliminal "buddy, you blow at cups" message, nothing more, nothing else. whether it was used by somebody who was behind for 4:50 and then used it at the last 10 seconds, or who took the lead at 10 seconds and used it for the remaining 4:50. It's used by a superior cup player who doesn't make a big or small mistake when it matters, and who doesn't make mistakes first. Anything else you want to add? Too lazy to proofread. Wrote this fast, sorry for mistakes.

chrizZo
01/06/2010 06:49:00

[quote] lol, at the moment, you have no cups, you have no winners, all you if is a retarded competition that logically contradicts itself, but i don't want to get into that again.[/quote] the way you talk is just embarrassing. really [quote=zhady]Ofc, but a game is open for mistakes for 5 minutes, not 2:30min or 4min. Makes no sense to add a rule where making a mistake is reduced to 0%. You make it sound like the one who makes the first mistake have lost, I mean how often is that true in any game/sport?[/quote] The best comment made so far. [quote=flibo]@ remake & Gargoyle Logic is something that should be obeyed.[/quote] Now please tell me where remake didn't use logic. Reminding kznoob about his generalization and you pro camp guys that this debate isn't over yet, is very logical indeed. Once again you act like you logically proved that camping makes it fairer/better, but this is not the case, so stop cheating readers with the formulation you use.

Micron
01/06/2010 07:29:00

[blockquote]theory =/= practice[/blockquote] That works both ways buddy, you can argue all you want but that doesn't mean it'll work in practice does it?

Fliborecord holder Tournament #2
01/06/2010 10:25:00

chrizZo, remake did use logic, he just doesn't want to accept kznoob's arguments. That's denying logic (well, if not else then at least in my opinion). Of course it makes sense to add such a rule that the risk for a mistake is 0%. The superior player has earned his leading position, he doesn't have to give it away. On the contrary, nobody forced the inferior player to fall behind so badly. About the theory =/= practice thing, I disagree. As I said earlier, the bias in the statistics caused by the rule is not significant enough to be very visible. Obviously in a long run the better cup player wins. That's still no justification for keeping the rule.

kznoob
01/06/2010 13:48:00

i end up saying something stupid like theory =/= practice without the edit button and when im rushing (don't have a lot of free time lately). If you have anything to add, continue in the forum.

m0ver
01/06/2010 18:44:00

Nobody is using logic in this whole story, this has nothing to with it, only with subjective perception of fairness.

CoMMoN
04/06/2010 09:18:00

BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA . camping is for noobs. end of discussion.

fundi #world
04/06/2010 21:47:00

kz skill >> strategy so my answer is no camping.

Speedz0r VIP
06/06/2010 00:44:00

Isn't this over yet? The guys that are for camping, I suggest you make your own little community where you can add this rule, as you see, there's no chances to be made here at XJ.

Nikša Jovanovic
08/06/2010 12:29:00

hahahahha a lot of shit you wrote there.... A message to all who think that camping should be allowed .... "Just try to play one cup"

Fliborecord holder Tournament #2
09/06/2010 22:27:00

niki, yeah, why not?

wombolombo
10/06/2010 04:39:00

it is more exciting if there is no camping so if that is what this cup strives to achieve then no to camping if this isnt a hardcore speed skill climb cup league kind of deal then camping should be allowed for all strategic purposes however it would be extremely dumb if 2 climbers decide to camp on the same hard jump and 1 of them wins by random chance of position lol

Fliborecord holder Tournament #2
10/06/2010 12:36:00

wombolombo, yes, it is stupid, but it's because the map is not capable of separating the players' skill levels (i.e. you can't see who is better) because there is a jump neither is willing to do. Forbidding camping doesn't solve this problem, it only makes it worse. Unlike some have said, camping does not make the game more strategic. It actually makes the game less strategic so it's more about actual jumping skill. This was already discussed in the thread regarding this matter (like pretty much everything that has been said here so far).

Nikša Jovanovic
12/06/2010 01:38:00

cmon dont be so smart... Just try 12 slots melee cup with camping allowed,cup will take a minimum 2 hours,so many rematches in one cup. I am sure that this policy is issued because of this problem... Cups take too long ... the end

Cypek
12/06/2010 12:06:00

niki <3

kznoob
13/06/2010 21:16:00

"Isn't this over yet? The guys that are for camping, I suggest you make your own little community where you can add this rule, as you see, there's no chances to be made here at XJ." You talk as if xj benefits from this (killing cups and making them useless + boring to watch). Makes me laugh. Yea maybe i should make my own "little" community with real cups and steal all the visitors from this site who have a vested interest in spectating them... xj would definitely like that and i would definitely be hurting myself............

kznoob
13/06/2010 21:48:00

@niki "Just try 12 slots melee cup with camping allowed,cup will take a minimum 2 hours,so many rematches in one cup." Not if there are no retarded maps, and you mean so many rematches on one map? Cups may take too long, that's why there's a 5 minute limit in each one. Take this "league" for example, if camping is allowed and there's a tie on one map, then there's a tie, just move on to the next map. If there are ties on all 5 maps but one, then is that 1-0 still not a win? There's no need for rematches unless ALL 5 different maps were tied (which would mean either all 5 maps were not suitable for cups or the skill levels are exactly identical). What are the chances of having all 5 ties in one cup anyway? Astronomical. "I am sure that this policy is issued because of this problem... Cups take too long ..." cups take too long so lets make them useless, retarded and pointless with a cool policy and fake winners.... awesome! You're a genius! All of you who don't want to see camping in cups should seriously stick to watching world records, because it's obvious that you have no idea what cupping is about.

Nikša Jovanovic
14/06/2010 18:51:00

kznoob man,stop it please It is obvious that you dont understand system of play cup playing..... and by the way who are you ? to talk about cup rules! Have you ever played a cup? and if you ! Then tell us your real name ...so we can talk ...else you are nothin Yes Votes: 219 | 32.35% No Votes: [b]271[/b] | 40.03%

kznoob
15/06/2010 02:04:00

its obvious that you have no idea what a cup is. As for the poll, I'm very impressed/delighted with the results considering how the question is worded. I underestimated this communities intelligence level by some 200+ votes since I thought it would be 95% no and only 5% yes. It's quite obvious that the question is biased, misleading and was created with the intention of keeping the rule (for reasons i still don't fucking understand, faker must really love shooting himself in the foot). 271 no votes - 1/3 of the people don't know what disallowing camping entails. another 1/3 are terrible cup players who know that they have no chance of winning if camping would be allowed so they voted no on purpose. and the last 1/3 are imbeciles and/or can't read english. Disallowing camping -> disallowing skill. A better poll question would be : "Do you want to see the best/most skilled cup player win in cups?" Make a poll asking that, and i guarantee at least 90% of the voters would say yes. And if they say yes, then allow skill. It's very, very simple.

Cypek
15/06/2010 07:12:00

"Disallowing camping -> disallowing skill." ahahhaaha i lol'd so hard:D

Cypek
15/06/2010 07:15:00

Damn that it's imposs to edit comments ;s so sorry for dp. If you are really skilled jumper you no need to camp on some jumps you don't like. You will just try this jump! If you are really skilled you can do it with stress and when people watch!

Nikša Jovanovic
15/06/2010 10:12:00

Cypek obv he cant understand the meaning of cup! you can record 100 records ... but nothing can compare with real cup.... When you record a demo on your LAN,you have unlimited chances to do it.... in cup you have only ONE if you fall then probably you will lose..... Playing with stress is a skill..so "allowing camping -> disallowing skill" !!!!! "and the last 1/3 are imbeciles and/or can't read english." You should get a warning for this,calling members imbecils.

Count
15/06/2010 11:25:00

You can always make the rule so the last block you landed is the one that counts? So even if you fall/fail, your opponent has to "beat" your block to win. The Camping problem will disappear, the players will always do their best and the guy that gets longer wins.

Fliborecord holder Tournament #2
15/06/2010 13:24:00

Count, correct. This would completely solve the problem. One solution could also be playing until the stop button is reached, but that could stretch matches and only works in 1on1. Cypek, are you trying to say that the really skilled player can't fall? He doesn't even have the slightest risk of falling down? And if he doesn't need to camp, why is camping even forbidden? Why would anyone use it?

actepukc^
21/06/2010 07:57:00

I don't care :D

prof. chosen
22/06/2010 16:30:00

i dont care too, but i voted for "no" because imo puppetz, flibo and kznoob are...............................bad.

Attaque 77
05/07/2010 02:27:00

no, it would be boring

huyjizy
23/11/2012 09:29:00

why can not i see the chrizzo's answer