Stand up to save CS 1.6 climbmaps.

By faker mapper·
Hey Guys,

as you might know valve, the developers behind Counter-Strike 1.6, are running a series of updates at the moment, to "finally" fix the "russian duck" exploit (known as doubleduck in the Kreedz community). The first updates just added some extra sounds to achieve that, but the next update, which is about to come very soon (you can already play it in steam by going to "settings -> account -> change -> Counter-Strike 1.6 Beta) will remove some of the sounds again (since the whole community hated them) BUT it will also added a massive slowdown after ducking.

No surprise that this will change the CS movement completely, which is kinda annoying for normal Counter-Strike players, but HORRIBLE for us, since it will kill (or at least make them way less effective) some basic techniques in Kreedz:

- Doubleducks
- Countjumps
- Duckstandup Bhops

Therfore we'd like to ask you to stand up to save the CS 1.6 Kreedz Climbmaps you used to love as they are at the moment, and to take part in the discussion going on in the official valve/steam forum thread.

Let's hope we add some voices to make a chance, or at least to convince them to add a cvar or maybe even an own mod for our lovely community, to remove the new physics which are about to come and destroy CS 1.6 climbmaps.

/Update: I opened a new thread in the steam forums to explain our problem and the consequences this update might have for our beloved climbmaps: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=848955

Communities and climbers all over the world: Please support this thread by making a small post with your opinion in this thread!

But remember: Please stay calm and friendly, since you're representing the climbers and kreedz communities all over the world - and the guys at valve want to HELP improving the game in their attempt to fix the "bug"/russian bounce.

Related links:

- "CS Beta 1.6 Update might kill Kreedz/Climbmaps"
- Youtube movie "Save the Kreedz Community!"
- "Counter-Strike 1.6 Beta Thread

Best regards,

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25/04/2009 14:29:00

everyone... give your best!

25/04/2009 14:29:00

nice

25/04/2009 14:29:00

nice

25/04/2009 14:35:00

We just need a cvar like "sv_slowdown 0/1" and all is ok :(

25/04/2009 14:36:00

HUH

25/04/2009 14:37:00

good :D KILL CJ!

25/04/2009 14:37:00

lets fight for it !

25/04/2009 14:38:00

>:o

25/04/2009 14:39:00

WUT? NOOO!

25/04/2009 14:39:00

HUH thats sad

25/04/2009 14:39:00

chosen hi, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons: ffffffffffuu rageeeeeeeeeee

25/04/2009 14:41:00

Yeah, seems like you need to wait (even after confirming your email address) until one of the forum moderators manually activates your account.

25/04/2009 14:42:00

yep ill do that and ive also made a text that ill post and i suggest EVERYONE else to do that too because there cant be enough people to stand up against this kk

25/04/2009 14:42:00

thats gay :E

25/04/2009 14:43:00

doctor dre madafaka!

25/04/2009 14:43:00

if this tehniques was removed, need to back to non-steam cs=) becouse without this tehnique its not kz=)

25/04/2009 14:44:00

if this does go through and no more double duck, standup bhop, or cj, what happens to all the demos with those in it?

25/04/2009 14:45:00

in the thread that is linked in the news it says: This is NOT a location for suggestions or game play changes. so i guess we should post here http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=847022 anyways ill post my text in both threads :pp

25/04/2009 14:45:00

pf this is stuped :(

25/04/2009 14:48:00

ok for some reason i cannot post on steams forums can someone post there with this http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xjmembers.jpg and tell them to look at the members number its almost 50,000 and they be ruining the game for all of us

25/04/2009 14:49:00

think about all the other kz players that are not even on this site. thats like another atleast 1000

25/04/2009 14:51:00

rofl... they are making people go non-steam -.-

25/04/2009 14:53:00

Byebye kreedz! You will always be in our memories! I hope that we can stop valve before disaster happens, but I badly fear that we can't affect to it.

25/04/2009 14:53:00

think about the chinese community which is BIGGER than XJ ROFL.... sry about dp

25/04/2009 14:54:00

it's boom.ddl

25/04/2009 14:57:00

Yeah chosen, good point. I think I'm going to open an own thread (which will be linked in the main news) as soon as I receive permissions to make posts in the forum.

25/04/2009 15:11:00

thats not good. we have a problem

25/04/2009 15:14:00

holy shit !!

25/04/2009 15:16:00

1:0 valve

25/04/2009 15:17:00

Ok!So now it's the moment to react if you like kreedz climbing and if you still want to play.

25/04/2009 15:21:00

terrible news =(( but we can use non steam..

25/04/2009 15:34:00

lets not use nonsteam... lets speak! let them know what you think about the update! all people should make a user on steam forums and deny this update! its a must !!!

25/04/2009 15:37:00

wtf ....i wonder what were they thinking when they did these changes :|

25/04/2009 15:41:00

they were attempting to do something good .remember that when you do post on the steam forums . everyone from competitive cs is mad about the last update but guess what...any bhop/kz/hns/ server host will tell you, we were extremely happy, it stopped the use of bhop g-strafe and cwalk scripts and i don't know about the rest of you but not having to constantly worry about top15's getting ruined by some noob makes for a better game play experience

25/04/2009 15:47:00

Valve don't give a DAMN fuck about kz/surf, so tbh there's no fucking point at all. Well it's worth a try I guess;]

25/04/2009 15:52:00

LEAVE 1.6 ALONE! LEAVE IT ALONE! o.o

25/04/2009 16:00:00

Well if they want to loose 50k members here at XJ and 100k + members in the Asian communities then its their decision, and its a pretty stupid one if you ask me.

25/04/2009 16:10:00

50k members here? 49k isnt even active.

25/04/2009 16:11:00

fuckin valve!!!

25/04/2009 16:12:00

Like they would know that xD its just numbers

25/04/2009 16:19:00

fucking valve. fucking update. fucking ruining cs.

25/04/2009 16:28:00

i'm sad

25/04/2009 16:34:00

Hello there nonsteam. :(

25/04/2009 16:36:00

CMON GUYS =D

25/04/2009 16:38:00

thats really sad that they would do this to a long standing game. It's more like a downdate. On the other hand, if anyone were interested in HL2's Kreedz Climbing we have and always will have standup bhops and are presently in the process of adding doubleduck (lets hope it works out) although the edgebug will never work because we cannot die in the game. It's only an offer of opportunity for those who still want to have just that, just in case Valve doesn't take this community into consideration. Peace and good luck with getting a convar or something.

25/04/2009 16:56:00

instead of saying the update is shitto valve, i think u should guys try to ask for an option sv_slowdown 0/1 or something , u wont convice them to cancel the update anyway im not an active climber(just a video watcher :d) so in fact im not concerned, but its sad for this community and i hope u will find a solution to keep climbing gl in that battle

25/04/2009 17:09:00

nonsteam vs steam = 1-0

25/04/2009 17:10:00

valve vs steam = 1-0 on valve you can do cj double duck stand up

25/04/2009 17:15:00

cant you fix a plugin that fix this ? :P

25/04/2009 17:19:00

[color=#ff0000][size=28]T_T[/size][/color]

25/04/2009 17:21:00

PIZDEC nixy9 ne ponyal....

25/04/2009 17:25:00

what pisses me off is that nobody cares about shitty boring 1.6 shooting except like 100 people, and yet they still insist on ruining kz.

25/04/2009 17:29:00

Valve shouldn't touch stuff like this. It's wrong on so many levels - what makes the Half-Life engine so unique is the freedom within the game-play. And that's what make kreedz so fun to play. This can't really come as a surprise though.

25/04/2009 17:29:00

the update wont kill kreedz maps, it will just make ~60% (or more) of all current world records unbeatable. I'm not trying to defend this update, when you argument like "It will kill kreedz!!" they will respond like "You can still jump, crouch, bhop and move to right/left/front/back. So what's the matter. It's just just slower on maps where you gotta crouch alot, that's all" Asking for a cvar to toggle it on/off would be best i guess. At least that is something realistic to ask for.

25/04/2009 17:30:00

this update kinda sounds like CAL or a gaming company is asking for these changes. Like so rules will not be broken anymore

25/04/2009 17:38:00

I'm waiting for account acception on steam forums 5th day... No email still isn't sent to me... As we know valve - they will not stop until they'll remove silent-running permanently. My suggestion is that someone should write in there forums so instead of setting that slowdown pev->fuser2 they would add step sound if successfully doubleducked at step-sound-speed. It wont damage kz at all and I don't think that much people will complain about that (even think that most will reply with posts like: "GJ" or "well done" or "thanks not for killind kz/cs" [anyway you got the point]). However 1 post probably wont change anything but being any skilled coder would say that it's not hard to do. Anyway, say them for instead of using slowdown they should use stepsound if successfully doubleducked at step-sound-speed condition. I beg you. [size=1]For the love of kz... We are talking about full wr section refresh! (most pro jumpers wont like it and some will probably even quit this game cuz of slowdown update)[/size] P.S. I also found one more bug in that beta, but wont say it, cuz am [u]NOT[/u] supporting this update from all of my heart.

25/04/2009 17:46:00

VALVE MYDAKI !! :X

25/04/2009 17:49:00

Gl for us!

25/04/2009 18:11:00

[b]mauz3r[/b] [quote]VALVE MYDAKI !! :X[/quote] +1

25/04/2009 18:14:00

sad...

25/04/2009 18:26:00

Let's move to non-steam world

25/04/2009 18:44:00

i have the beta active and i can still cj..? :s

25/04/2009 18:48:00

You can but it's not very effective :S

25/04/2009 18:51:00

F**k valve. Next year it'll be impossible to jump bhp, and after next year :D they'll delet push-button jump and jump will end.

25/04/2009 18:59:00

valve no-brain noobs, lets install nonsteam

25/04/2009 19:02:00

back to the roots i embrace the changes coz all the new stuff completly destroyed older maps

25/04/2009 19:06:00

are valve idiots ... ? i hues so... but still we NEED TO FIGHT FOR IT .... WHY KILL SO MANY PEOPLE PLAYING TIME .... ?????????? FIGHT FOR IT GUYS

25/04/2009 19:16:00

kreedz will die and so hidenseek if we dont stop this! :(

25/04/2009 19:41:00

sux garbage , they shoud create another game , for all suckas who like this beta version .

25/04/2009 19:51:00

insen +1, excacly what i thought when i tryed cj :D

25/04/2009 19:56:00

not really :(

25/04/2009 20:03:00

I don't understand the change completely but we very much need to save kz as it is today........!! And there are enough people here in the community to get it done

25/04/2009 20:08:00

valve suuux......................

25/04/2009 20:11:00

i've test this update and it's DA SUX ! they should stop it :/

25/04/2009 20:16:00

My arguement is on page 3 of the topic. Hopefully we'll convince those incompetant gamedevelopers not to release that update, or atleast add a CVAR to disable or enable it.

25/04/2009 20:23:00

protoN +1 yeah valve is suuux

25/04/2009 20:32:00

and btw why can't the noobs that dont like Silentrun just add a plugin that disable it? this is stupid of valve...

25/04/2009 20:44:00

because the silent run fix isnt for pubs its for competitive players cpl, cal and all that shit and they dont run plugins

25/04/2009 20:46:00

.. You people need to calm down O.o What will you achieve by telling Valve that they are noobs or idiots? Nothing really.. They'd just ignore your opinions, and see you as arrogant as the shooter people. But see it from their perspective aswell. This is why the cvar change suggestion is the best bet we have. Please go to the forum and support on that, as it'd be the best way to help, really.

25/04/2009 21:00:00

THE END

25/04/2009 21:01:00

While I dont embrace the change, It wont kill KZ, And to anyone thinking if they add a cvar to keep kz as it is today, thats stupid in my opinion... One of the biggest things that I liked about kz was that It was always the default settings only. If they add the cvar and XJ uses it, well why not just have 100air accelerate too then at that point? Why would anyone stop playing simply because they changed a few methods? You obviously dont enjoy KZ that much if your going to quit over them fixing standup bhops, CJ's and doubleducking...

25/04/2009 21:12:00

this will not even destroy kz but it will also destroy HideNseek and make a HUGE edit for hiden seek communitys and even surf maps

25/04/2009 21:12:00

DaFox, I just can't agree really :/ I'm not gonna quit kz because of this. But what would you rather have? No cj, standup, doubleduck, or a cvar change which can be added in console by writing a simple "sv_something 0"?

25/04/2009 21:24:00

if they get that update live... theres always kzmod. lol but still. I read through some of that thread and while i support your cause, i dont think some people said what they should have. But i guess they were provoked by arrogant assholes like mertox. Seriously i dont know whether to laugh at or to flame that guy. What is he, a.. bat? how retarded must you be to provoke the wrath of 60k angry nerds from one of the largest cs communities? I guess he is one of those people who just cant stand others to have fun while he is around. the kind i really like, in fact i like those kind of people so much that im liable to bash in their brains with a hammer if i ever meet one(lolquote). As for the update itself.. i dont really agree with it. Sure, fix countjump, i dont really care i never mastered it, and imho it was retarded from the start (lol flame me now). jumping 27x units and making new longjump maps every 2 months is one of the reasons i quit kz in the first place (the other being the inability to map) Though valve should think of others first. SBH... well, if they ruin that i swear im gonna make the largest QQ post in history. IMHO SBH looks and feels so kewl from 1st person perspective.. if they destroy that.. ill be seriously pissed. Im all up for a cvar to enable/disable the new update, so kz can go on normally. seriously why ruin everyones fun just cuz you are lazy and dont wanna type in 3 lines of text? i dont think itd be that hard to make, we just gotta get that through valves thick heads. /rant over, rejoice.. for bad things are about to happen. (lolquote2)

25/04/2009 21:26:00

please don't post if you don't use proper english. It just makes us look bad. K thx

25/04/2009 21:41:00

Agreed.

25/04/2009 21:52:00

STEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM SUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!

25/04/2009 21:53:00

Still look from the right side, we might find something useful from the slowdown, i mean glitchfix glitch ^_^

25/04/2009 22:06:00

movie to convince some ppl to register :p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fj88Re8hrU&fmt=22

25/04/2009 22:19:00

St. Jimmy Why would you quit over losing a few insignificant abilities, I really dislike changing the physics of movement in a game but this is not a big enough deal to quit a game because of it.. Supa raised a good point though, The one reason why anyone would want to quit over this is the pro's who hold current WR's and are active (10-15 people) and spent countless hours getting the WR demos. If there was a cvar to enable noslowdown after ducking why not just have 100 air accelerate then? Its technically funner. But we currently dont use it because its not the default settings, its not what Kreedz is about. With that being said even if XJ switched to using such a cvar, I wouldnt quit, thats no reason to quit even though I disagree with it.

25/04/2009 22:26:00

even then... why change a 10 yr old game

25/04/2009 22:31:00

DaFox .. without changing the upcoming slowdown update with a CVAR command will make 80% or more of the current wr demos unbeatable which is going to lead to that point that those of your called 15~ wr holders will most probably stop playing and quit, so you dont have any wrs in the future, and thats why community wont have a meaning at all, and slowly will die. hi

25/04/2009 22:37:00

Great movie chosen, thanks for that one :)

25/04/2009 22:39:00

Dacca, you do not have permission to access this page. :/

25/04/2009 22:48:00

seriously, THE FUCK?

25/04/2009 22:50:00

I got so touched when I watched the youtube video :( really.. lets save kz!

25/04/2009 22:51:00

DaFox: It's not that it only kills all the techniques (cj etc.), it also makes the normal climbing a LOT slower, since you slow down massive after every duck. Makes it very hard to get a fast climb, even without bhops etc.... All of the 522 demos would have to be removed, which would be a real tragedy...

25/04/2009 22:52:00

"If there was a cvar to enable noslowdown after ducking why not just have 100 air accelerate then? Its technically funner. But we currently dont use it because its not the default settings, its not what Kreedz is about." im sorry but - changing the cvar of noslowdown would bring it BACK to the legit settings that we use today...its not at all like 100aa...which may i remind u kreedz never made maps to be played with such settings - to clarify...kz never used to be 100aa, then changed to 10. and they were NEVER made to be played with slow down... sorry but ur argument makes no sense whatsoever. and personally i think i might quit after the update...i think kz is perfect the way it is...plus playing it with beta sucked ass. might just satisfy my cravings every so often with non steam

25/04/2009 23:08:00

As Supa said, please don't post in that thread on steampowered, if you can't speak proper English... It looks like the kz scene is 50.000 nerds who spent their life finding bugs in CS for 5 years, and that they will "die out" with this update. It is totally wrong, and we will never win anything by having random kreedzers talk with this retard-english. I know we can't control it, but I suggest that some of the native English speaking guys take part in the discussion (Supa, s1gh, darkflawless, etc..)... Who ever cares, and can speak English.

25/04/2009 23:12:00

Hazard: Kreedz never intended for his maps to be bhoped, CJ'd, Doubleducked ect, its just a natural progression of things. What he did intend was for the maps to be played with the default settings. And yes faker I understand that everything would be slower faker, but everyone would be slower, it would be a new era. And yes.. Imo the only real loss would be that the old demos would be incomparable with the new era demos. akkord, there's dozens of other people here capable of recording demos, Hell I would go for a handful my self just in support of XJ if things eventually get bad. Like im not saying If they do provide a cvar to disable it then dont use it, I'm just saying I wouldn't be all that happy with it, But It's understandable that It would be used especially after all of the complaining for such a cvar.

25/04/2009 23:27:00

I hope that kreedz is still alive :( Valve can't ignore this posts.... Kreedz is one of the best mods ever made for Cs ... so Valve save Kreedz!

25/04/2009 23:34:00

"St. Jimmy Why would you quit over losing a few insignificant abilities" Maybe you should read what I wrote again, DaFox? I clearly said I wasnt gonna quit over this.

25/04/2009 23:41:00

My bad, I misread that. Honestly I would rather have no doubleduck/CJ ect if that meant no one would quit (or would move onto KZMod rather than quitting) But ultimately I would take the cvar because it seems like people would actually quit over this decision.

25/04/2009 23:41:00

Game over for kz/hns/surf

25/04/2009 23:51:00

valve failed.

25/04/2009 23:56:00

valve sux :(

26/04/2009 00:09:00

so sad :(

26/04/2009 00:12:00

without duck kz is meanless

26/04/2009 00:49:00

no way

26/04/2009 00:50:00

For the steam forum posts, if anyone makes a post JUST saying save kreedz, IMO it is not needed. It is like spam, we are trying to tell valve/steam NOT to have this update go though. we NEED to get our point across and have them either not go through with this update or get a cvar commad for it. If posting in that thread IMO make a point in there, not just say a small thing such as save kreedz

26/04/2009 00:53:00

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26/04/2009 01:07:00

fail @ valve

26/04/2009 01:33:00

sad news, now would it never be anymore world records. :( [size=36][b] FU STEAM![/b][/size]

26/04/2009 01:37:00

Remember; I like turtles.

26/04/2009 01:42:00

Valve has been ruining this game for a while now. I'm not suprised that they are still doing it. It's what they are best at, making things less enjoyable & for no reason at all. Game is fine how it is, it's been fine for 10 years. GTFO valve you greedy fucks.

26/04/2009 02:04:00

make a cvar for this new feature to be turned on or off!!!!

26/04/2009 02:07:00

it's time to forget all resentments and unite against valve. big respect to faker ,chosen and others people who try to save our lovely community.

26/04/2009 02:53:00

dont throw hopes away... fucken madafaka who made begrip and fucken valve who kills them selves... we must win...

26/04/2009 04:11:00

I'll save you!

26/04/2009 04:56:00

:> Yes! Every one can do it! Because we can do it! Its like 200 000 Terrorists with knifes against bunch of armed corrupted CT's. You all can do more than bullets. We can stop them now. There is no spoon. There is no valve. Just bunch of poor programmers forced to do the Destruction of all this and more than they can imagine with BAD lead not getting it. !!! This is more than about movement physic. This is about to avoid valve doing what they want without any public echo or consumer audit and their destroying of their so lucky built and top-famous game !!ONCE AGAIN!! !!! WHERE IS DEMOCRACY ? Where is the love? o_O This must be stopped. Join the fight lines, the more the better, take your buddys and let's go go go! Do your best, IT WILL NOT BE EASY, so let's do it bigger and stronger than EVER. LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN. Valve failed again. Source couldn't make it thus FORCE BE WITH US. Let this be known. If you want peace prepare for war! We is the army. This is one man.

26/04/2009 05:40:00

valve do this coz they want to people to stop playing cs 1.6 and start playing css, thats the way wat the want, they dosnt care about us or begrip...believe

26/04/2009 05:48:00

http://www.petitiononline.com/qdds1/petition-sign.html

26/04/2009 09:24:00

can we please get people posting and making movies who can actually speak a decent level of fluent English, going through the thread, XJ and KZ players look like absolute idiots.

26/04/2009 11:30:00

OMG, this is shit. SAVE KREEDZ.

26/04/2009 11:32:00

I've posted link to petition on some closed blog + added link to oficial anti-video. So if we got huge luck, we add ~13,5-27k free votes. Hm, or just extra 1000 any way. ^^ But I dont think that this petition can do something useful for us. So pray and play!

26/04/2009 12:43:00

At least they will fix that dumb silent walk, i just hope they only changes sound not dduck speed... :)

26/04/2009 13:00:00

WHYYYY VALVE??! why? :(

26/04/2009 13:00:00

WHYYYY VALVE??! why? :(

26/04/2009 13:12:00

MAybe it's the best time to get a new hobby. Especially for "maniacs". But why not fight for the kreedz ?:P Let us try

26/04/2009 13:20:00

Valve can make standalone mod for jumping. That would be great decision.

26/04/2009 13:28:00

Save Kreedz!

26/04/2009 13:39:00

I'll give my input to that thread as soon as I get my account working. It's seems that they've deleted my old account... Great movie chosen <3 P.S. [quote]I beg and other hunddred thousands kreedzers. Don't Kill Kreedz! Solutions and Reasons is already mentioned above![/quote] such comments won't do much but make us look immature.

26/04/2009 13:44:00

Big colored messages are even worse. Sorry for doubleposting.

26/04/2009 13:51:00

Save Kreedz please fuck valve!

26/04/2009 14:42:00

If you posted on steam forums in our thread about saving Kreedz, and you posted a message big in color and just saying save kreedz or something along that line, stop, valve will see it as immature, as st0ka had said, and they see it as spam. were trying to have them save kreedz, we not trying to annoy them!

26/04/2009 14:46:00

+1 XsilentXbyteX Still waiting for my account activation...

26/04/2009 15:12:00

we hate valve!

26/04/2009 17:33:00

[size=20][b]Save Kreedz![/b][/size]

26/04/2009 17:42:00

How annoying, why do they even bother updating this game, save all of it for CS: Source. Isn't that the reason they invented it? a newer/more realistic version of Counter-Strike. Oh well beats me Valve always does something to ruin the game and flush out whatever people are left playing the game the once enjoyed.

26/04/2009 20:03:00

Simple solution: +duck = footstep sound. No silent walk and kz forever.

26/04/2009 20:39:00

Who the heck is this zlam! guy??? He's driving me crazy.

26/04/2009 20:59:00

ok. i was reading up on GotFrag looking for stuff about CAL. IDK why lol. I saw this tho. http://www.gotfrag.com/cs/story/44110/ .... it's about this update. and it says they have no intention about making a way around it or anything. read for yourself and decide. if this is gojng through,,, we really need to make a HUGE stand or something.

26/04/2009 21:18:00

SAVE KREEDZ

26/04/2009 23:05:00

To your movie chosen, the first KZ map was made in 2003, other than that it's good

27/04/2009 12:30:00

i just hope they wont ignore all of us just because they would like to have more players playin on css cuz as a matter of fact 1.6 is still well enough alive to keep it working for several years.

27/04/2009 19:58:00

www.todome.de/demos/slowdown.rar you can easily reduce the slowdown after +jump to minus 10-20 units/s (normal = minus 130-140 units/s). Made this demo with /keys and /speed. I just ran arnound jumping without doing any strafes. So pre was always 250 units/s. hf.

28/04/2009 00:46:00

oh shit ! Valve gay :(

28/04/2009 04:50:00

new update released and also they deleted fakers thread without any reasons and it looks like his forum account is deleted aswell, can't find it over the search function

28/04/2009 05:29:00

Yeah I noticed, thread is deleted had it bookmarked :/

28/04/2009 06:26:00

Let's hope, that Valve the true decision all the same will make. We do not have right to offend them, we have only a possibility to dissuade them.

28/04/2009 07:13:00

If they did delete faker's post, I doubt that they care about us.

28/04/2009 10:38:00

they did delete the post. who knows if valve even read it. im hopeing they did and they are thinking about it but we never know. this update sounds like valve was bought out by like cevo or some gaming company or something to fix some of the stuff. cuz honestly, i dont think valve cared about cs that much

28/04/2009 14:16:00

valve sux non-steam is solution

28/04/2009 15:12:00

non steam is not a solution because it's still illegal

28/04/2009 15:50:00

whatever.... even if its illegal.. who gives a shit, i will never play legal cs again if they dont roll back the update...

28/04/2009 16:12:00

Illegal is the valve finish with all communities of kz.

28/04/2009 17:34:00

emti how did u recude it? if i just press jump and duck quickly, i still get slowed down

29/04/2009 17:29:00

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29/04/2009 21:58:00

Is it illegal when you own the real game too?

30/04/2009 15:46:00

yes... take a look at the user agreement..

01/05/2009 01:33:00

I'm ,with many others, against this update because it's only making things worse. There is a working set of rules for doubleducks etc. within all cs communities. There is no need to step on some people's toes just to fix something thats already working. Poeple will start using counter-strike without steam soon if there will come more bad updates.

01/05/2009 22:42:00

my opinion about advantages and disadvantages about steam... + good banning sistem. legal. easy to find other servers. - annoying valve updates that dont give you anything.. only some bullshit like mentioned in this topic. steam is not for free. steam lagz more than nonsteam. So, why not everyone move to nonsteam? OH yeah i forggot, You dont support it... what i always wanted to know, why ? ur afraid that valve comes to knock at your dorr, for a nonsteam copy of cs, 10 years old game... bullcrap

02/05/2009 00:30:00

According to demolite the first kz map (giantbean) was released July/17/2002.

04/05/2009 19:57:00

The kz born because of bugs if they correct the bug (probably) Kz die.

05/05/2011 22:24:00

I've joined a server once that unbounded the command +duck on whichever side of the mousewheel, but the mousewheel only, making it possible to double duck, but impossible to abuse it... that might be the only solution to this stupid problem. What's wrong with doubleducking anyway... steam already added sound when jumping even if youre walking.... oh by the way ... game programmers made it that way not for it to be fixed by some coward who'd think it would be better to hear every damn sound.

05/05/2011 22:27:00

oh another thing ... why do they freak out about doubleducks and won't do shit anymore about wallhacks. I think these suckers should focus on their shitty CSS instead of messing our beloved physics even more

05/05/2011 22:29:00

soon even the guy with the backpacked bomb will make a beep beep sound