2 Cheater + 1 invalid demo

By faker mapper·
Hey there,

old story that happens to repeat itself on and on. You know the thrill already... Some people made an egoistical attempt to get their name on the record list (and some fame?) even though they don't deserve it (because obviously they are missing the skills to get it in a legit way), by submitting cheated demos again. Come on guys, how can you be proud of it at all, if you know that the "record" was made with unfair methods?

Two cheated demos were submitted for the recent release, one was held back for further checks and another one was released accidently. Sorry for our mistake, it should'nt have be released at all, since it's pretty obvious what's going on - even without doing an advanced analysis. However, eDark did confirm that a slowmotion hack was used in both demos. And yes RQ, we can detect it, even if you use it for some of the jumps only.

Here are the lucky "winner"s:

Cheatdemos:

kz_fairy_island[+secret]_taff_0010 submitted by taff

kz_man_neighbourhood_RQ_0215 submitted by RQ

Furthermore there was another demo submitted, sn_beachcliff_bisqo_0506, which had invalid settings on it: It had fps_max on "100" but vysnc enabled - and a windows refresh rate of 85hz, causing the same effect as if fps_max "85" was being used. Since we don't know if this was a misunderstanding, or an attempt to cheat, this won't be punished. Nevertheless the demo had to be rejected and the rules might have to be adjusted regarding that point.

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18/12/2009 04:13:00

gj all esp taff

18/12/2009 04:15:00

not gonna say gj till theres no cheated demos on the site. gl in the future endeavors ladies.

18/12/2009 04:18:00

hazard your pc bhop demo isn't on here... oooooooo goteem. thats pretty unfortunate to lose a wr cause of vsync.. pretty useless cmd since a lot of people don't even both with 100+ hz

18/12/2009 04:26:00

kz[a] Hazard: Which ones are cheated in your opinion? I'd be glad to have them checked by eDark

18/12/2009 04:36:00

@H@H@ , not any words...

18/12/2009 04:45:00

ahah tloft you dirty dog. you know i dont cheat *shakes fist* @ faker edark cannot detect everything, as is evident by the fact that fofs demos are on the site. (his lj/hj/xtremeblock)

18/12/2009 04:56:00

gj edark!! i knew it, about taff demo.. it was pretty obvious :P

18/12/2009 05:00:00

kz[a] Hazard: Have you ever considered that FoF is clean and skilled? When he came to kzmod for example, a pretty new mod so I guess there are hardly cheats for it yet, he performed some wicked LJ on servers (!), too, so somehow he has to have talent, I guess. Also the amount of demos boosts the chance of getting caught, at least when talking about slowmo demos. And he submitted quite a number of them - and neither of them were suspicious. Slowmotion detection is not based on the hacks/different ways of causing the slowmotin effect, what eDark is able to detect is the effects the slowmotion does to the engine and demo. And this effect has to be the same, no matter in which way you slow the game down, otherwise it wouldn't be slowmo'ed, obviously. So I feel pretty save to say that FoF is clean (and a great guy, too, btw).

18/12/2009 05:03:00

haha yeeah it was just too good an opportunity to pass up.

18/12/2009 05:05:00

failures.

18/12/2009 05:15:00

ok

18/12/2009 05:15:00

taff demo still being in the web.. but the link is broken :P

18/12/2009 05:19:00

taff gj, nice fail, i lold and knew it.

18/12/2009 05:30:00

"not gonna say gj till theres no cheated demos on the site." theres ALWAYS cheats. everywhere. anything. always.

18/12/2009 05:45:00

i think there is many things suspicious about his demos, many little things that only omg0 did (an infamous slowmo player) theres definately undetectable ways to use slowmotion, as fof has proven, was iiN actually detected before he confessed? hrrmm secondly, siw and tess proved to everyone that you can have skill and cheat too. they are both able to do wrs without cheats, but still cheated. skill proves nothing.

18/12/2009 05:52:00

Lul :DD

18/12/2009 05:52:00

Well, ever since that happend we (and especially eDark) did learn a lot about slowmotion. You gotta consider that they were like the very first guys who did slowmo with a really good hack, so we needed some time to get evidence. However, I agree that there might be some things that cannot be detected - it's like that in normal cstrike and any other game as well. Curse of the internet I guess, but not only restricted to that of course. You can find corruption everywhere if you try to look closer ;) The best thing we can do is trying to keep XJ as clean as possible, therfore any suspicion or information regarding cheats, ways to detect them etc. are more than appreciated.

18/12/2009 05:54:00

gj faker

18/12/2009 05:59:00

Oh, never expect it, anyway, now RQ banned on kzru, the record on this map was deleted. Thank eDark for his skills =). gj faker.

18/12/2009 06:12:00

:D nice

18/12/2009 06:16:00

pwnd! gj eDark and faker :D

18/12/2009 06:52:00

GJ

18/12/2009 07:00:00

IDIOTS

18/12/2009 07:29:00

gj all esp taff...

18/12/2009 09:06:00

omg0's come back lulz

18/12/2009 09:16:00

cul geyz

18/12/2009 09:35:00

how long is the process of checking a demo for h4xx

18/12/2009 09:41:00

lol wtf! i have geeked that map for like 3 months and finally did it and you dont accept it:( fuck:(( gj catching taff and RQ

18/12/2009 09:42:00

ps mm i cant use 100 hz on my monitor so i use 85

18/12/2009 09:44:00

that http://xtreme-jumps.eu/news.php?extend.909 was also slowmo. He submited same demo on unique-kz almost 2 years later lol with this demo on kz_fairy_island >.< anyways gj eDark for finaly bust his ass :P

18/12/2009 10:43:00

haha damn noobs keep on trying... gj xj

18/12/2009 10:46:00

a lot of people use 85 hertz with fps_max 100 config'd although the vsync part idk rofl long live brian :) kz[a]hazard NOOB! :D

18/12/2009 10:47:00

My monitor is pretty old and it doesn't support 100Hz either... But I have vsync deactivated and 100 fps, so is there a problem with the Hz Number? I really don't know, sorry^^

18/12/2009 10:55:00

loveinabottle it depends if eDark has the time to check them, that's the main problem.

18/12/2009 10:56:00

kz[a]hazard NOOB! :D

18/12/2009 11:07:00

NO WOMBO YOUR A SHIT PLAYER! ahah

18/12/2009 12:09:00

still -.-

18/12/2009 12:09:00

taff idiot

18/12/2009 12:15:00

I'm shocked!...... Not rly, taff's demo was so obvious. And you can't beat Bibo's wr's without slowmo so -> busteeeed. <3 XJ good job once again.

18/12/2009 12:36:00

RQ [b]NOOB!![/b] заебали Россию позорить =(

18/12/2009 13:04:00

"hi my name is hazard and i always go distrustful through life because that makes me intelligant (or haweva yuo wrait thet XD) XD"

18/12/2009 13:15:00

I knew that the demo taff is somethings wrong, his strafes were similar to slowmotion but I did not want to say it in the comments because I did not have evidence too, but now I know that I was right :P GJ staff =]

18/12/2009 13:23:00

u'll soon see that there are other cheated demos @ demos.php !!

18/12/2009 13:57:00

[quote]thats pretty unfortunate to lose a wr cause of vsync.. pretty useless cmd since a lot of people don't even both with 100+ hz[/quote] It's not useless, or why do you think the FPS-rule was made in the first place? Hoewever, I think bisqo is able to take the map without vsync anyway :P

18/12/2009 14:03:00

Sad :/ Good work eDark

18/12/2009 14:07:00

bisquo & wombolombo: Just disable vsync and it will be all fine. 85 hz is no problem, but if vync is enabled it will force your max_fps to 85, too, without ingame cvar needed.

18/12/2009 14:09:00

SUCKERS !!!

18/12/2009 14:12:00

woho

18/12/2009 14:16:00

take a note admins, yet again its not me starting with a shitty attitude, nor is it me starting the flaming. chosen its called taking a step back and assessing. im not distrusting at all, in fact i have trusted many players from kz[a] with my demos TRUSTING that they wont release them. and in no way am i implying that it makes me 'intelligent' to be distrustful. im just voicing my suspicions with fof, do i not have the right to do that? explain to me the context of 1 sentence that came across as pompous or pretentious. honestly i think u just see comments from me and instantly try to pick out faults - which often results in you misunderstanding my tone or ideology. cause it always seems to be you talking shit for no reason. so save yourself the embarrassment of looking like an ignorant troll and check your facts before you post.

18/12/2009 14:51:00

gj admins esp eDark

18/12/2009 15:11:00

no comments :/

18/12/2009 15:12:00

take a note admins, yet again its not me starting with a shitty attitude, nor is it me starting the flaming. chosen its called taking a step back and assessing. im not distrusting at all, in fact i have trusted many players from kz[a] with my demos TRUSTING that they wont release them. and in no way am i implying that it makes me 'intelligent' to be distrustful. im just voicing my suspicions with fof, do i not have the right to do that? explain to me the context of 1 sentence that came across as pompous or pretentious. honestly i think u just see comments from me and instantly try to pick out faults - which often results in you misunderstanding my tone or ideology. cause it always seems to be you talking shit for no reason. so save yourself the embarrassment of looking like an ignorant troll and check your facts before you post. love, kz[a]hazard there you go

18/12/2009 15:12:00

What's this about tess and siw cheating? And that old slowmo guy Hazard mentioned, where can I read about this?

18/12/2009 15:18:00

gj edark

18/12/2009 15:37:00

I can't understand, why do you guys try to submit cheated demos? There's no point to do it since admins gonna find the way to detect them.

18/12/2009 15:54:00

eDark made an excellent job!

18/12/2009 15:58:00

taff sux

18/12/2009 16:36:00

gj eDark, keep up the good work

18/12/2009 17:00:00

gj edarK !

18/12/2009 18:06:00

eDark rocks

18/12/2009 18:17:00

kz[a] Hazard omg faggot a** bi*ch shut up and stop flaming about FoF go and try to get a rl and stop hating one of the best jumpers off all time

18/12/2009 19:06:00

eDark is teh god?;)

18/12/2009 20:31:00

srsly guys, you should make Hazard a demo checker and coder, he knows everything :)

18/12/2009 21:15:00

poor bisqo :(

18/12/2009 21:24:00

Wonder that the biggest amount of cheaters came from Russia and eastside as well.

18/12/2009 21:48:00

MuscLe, well let's consider the fact that there are 140 million people living in Russia and over a billion from China. It's just the simple rule of nature: more people = more retards, good to see that those retards get what they deserve.

18/12/2009 22:09:00

well, let's just repeat the holy words by Hazard "eDark isn't a god", so you basicly all failed calling these guys cheaters since edark actually sucks at checking demos and these guys may be clean.. just a note.

18/12/2009 22:15:00

flibo i know its not useless, but when i started playing cs long time ago, i knew nothing of vsync and played for a year or two with 60hz + vsync and was none the wiser til i went to a few lans. i know how it affects gameplay, but i'd imagine a lot of people don't, since a lot of people have to ask how you turn it off (at the esports site i'm admin on) i just think its unfortunate, not at all disputing fakers decision.

18/12/2009 23:54:00

lets talk about fof in each cheating topic, just to voice suspicions, lets discuss it in every topic, even though you know the answer already. hello hazard, it's called flaming, ur not getting anywhere.

19/12/2009 01:34:00

gj edark :)

19/12/2009 03:20:00

my god...is the whole community so far up his ass that they cant even hack considering the fact that he might cheat? tbh, i watched tess and siw's demos, they didnt look much like slowmo at all, but alot of people were sus of them. i look at fofs demos and WOW its blatent. i just want a few people to actually think about it, because when they drop the mentality that hes 'one of the best jumpers of all time' maybe then their judgement wont be so clouded. flaming = the unmitigated, unnecessary insult of a person (what BBBsonny and chosen did in here) im simply pointing out what i believe to be true, and if you're all too ignorant to show even an ounce of respect to people with differing opinions to yourself then i dont know why i'd bother. ewoud heres a note for you; faker ASKED me to mention who it is i think cheats, so i said fof. yet again another idiotic member of this fucking community talking shit when they havent got their facts straight. so if i asked you to tell me im 'not getting anywhere' and then you did, i could say thats flaming and insulting me? NO because i brought it upon myself by asking. FUCK this community pisses me off to no end with its proverbial ignorance and monotonous predictable attitude towards everything they are too ignorant to understand, or too stubborn to even respect. seriously i get told constantly by the admins that im not respectful enough to others - but just use these comments as an example.... im here voicing my INDIVIDUAL opinion - and it seems the group mentality takes over and they all want to sheep with eachother and cant handle the fact that someone thinks differently so they flame .... honestly i havent seen such ignorance since 4am christianity preaching television. /rant

19/12/2009 03:26:00

gj (s)taff.

19/12/2009 05:15:00

For the next time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_letter :)

19/12/2009 10:47:00

[blockquote]Here are the lucky "winner"s:[/blockquote] hehe, n1

19/12/2009 11:13:00

kz[a] Hazard: you are flamed cause you 'voice me being suspicious' in each thread related to cheats. I understand that suggesting to others to take an attention to somebody once or twice is aight. But mentioning that again and again will lead you to what you get now: flaming. Too bad you never met me online in any server (or I guess you never met). Maybe your suspicions would melt away. Personally I think 'somebody' did a great job starting this 'fofslowmo' rumors. I still don't understand this was did because of fun or just being 'cool inet dude' or because of principles trying smth or another reasons. And don't be upset kz[a] Hazard, you aren't alone with your opinion, everywhere and everytime there will be a members who will be affected by this 'fofslowmo' rumors. Have a good day kz[a] Hazard.

19/12/2009 11:58:00

:( fail

19/12/2009 13:51:00

='(

19/12/2009 14:34:00

taff gj!! пидарас

19/12/2009 19:27:00

yet again its not me starting with a shitty attitude; Ye you started it again. "so save yourself the embarrassment of looking like an ignorant troll and check your facts before you post." "considering the fact that he might cheat?" "as fof has proven" Wow, looks like you have some proofs (facts)? Or is it fiction? You should look up word "fact" in the dictionary. About flaming. Being accused of cheating is way more insulting than being called an idiot. In this case, this really isn't too far from truth, since there isn't any proof. So why don't you consider those comments as an opinion? Let's just call everybody cheaters, in case they cheated. If they didn't cheat, fine.. If they cheated.. hey, i'm geniusĄĄĄĄĄĄ i told you you idiots ĮĮĮĮ And ye, you're not being respectful.

19/12/2009 20:37:00

yes you are

20/12/2009 04:14:00

fof you act like i cant think for myself? i didnt just hear out on the streets that fof might use slowmo and then started 'flaming', ive watched some demos of yours and i think its slowmo, and just because 'your a great guy' doesnt mean you dont use slowmotion, just the same it doesnt matter if you can jump 255 stats, your demos could still be slowmo. but people are just saying 'but its fof!' and ruling out the possibility. and ive brought it up in 2 threads - both to prove the point that edark CANNOT detect every single cheat - not to mention the fact that cheated demos on the site are STILL getting discovered after being there for quite some time. and its not flaming because faker asked me specifically who i think cheats... and i said fof, how is that flaming? he asked me what my opinion was and i said it. and kexas, if you'll take a look my posts were quite respectful until people started talkin shit to me, then ofc im going to retaliate cause im not gonna take any shit from any of you. and if 'being accused of cheating' is flaming - why is there an entire forum dedicated to it? and again, im sick of people saying im suspicious to 'prove how smart i am' or some shit.... how fkn ignorant. unlike, it seemsalot of you, my actions on this website are not driven by ego, if you'll take a look most of my posts are either in defense of someone who is getting ganged by sheeping idiots, or tryin to point out what i think is unjust. im not here to prove superiority or some shit. im just trying to let people see different sides of things and to make a positive difference. and i get flamed for that? wtf....

20/12/2009 05:11:00

I didn't say you're flaming me, I said you get flamed by others. About rumors & tattles, seems you don't even understand what power it has, especially if people know how to use and handle them. Anyways it really makes me smiling when people like you are searching for cheat-footmarks in my demos. Maybe you can find them in public demos too, or even by analyzing my forum posts? Anyway, good luck finding them! :-)

20/12/2009 11:51:00

So what's the different side?

20/12/2009 12:01:00

Come on, Hazard. Now you're being ignorant and don't want to see the "other side". As FoF said, why didn't you take a look at him online? I believe it is extremly easy to recognise slowmo on a public server.

20/12/2009 14:03:00

hmm there seems to be no other option other than to ban FoF to close this topic. Sorry FoF, u gotta go cos hazard won't calm down.

20/12/2009 15:01:00

wtf? i'd be perfectly calm if people like yourselves werent throwing around petty insults (that ofc excludes you fof) and kexas, like i said before (do you guys even read what i say before replying? hmm) tess and siw are both pro players, yet they both cheated too...it proves nothing how good someone is. im just pointing out (after the request of faker) what i think to be suspicious - im so sorry to have offended all you fanboys. (sarcasm) im not sorry at all i think your ignorant faggots.

20/12/2009 19:41:00

Hazard, youre not internet enough for this discussion. you may leave now.

20/12/2009 21:09:00

I thought only heterosexuals are ignorant. You're not pointing out anything. You don't say "this and that looks suspicious, because [insert explanation]", you say "he IS a cheater" without any proof. I didn't say he cannot be a cheater. I understand, that skilled players (like your favorites Siw and Tess) may cheat, too. You're the one, who doesn't understand, that if his strafes are better than other players (or whatever else), it does not make him a cheater. So who's fag?

21/12/2009 06:29:00

ive explained before the things i think are sus about his demos, i assumed that due to the fact that people are flaming me because i 'always bring it up' they would know that by now. and i believe the definition of 'suspicion' doesnt include at all the word proof, because if it was proven, it wouldnt be suspicion - it would be a fact. but thanks for pointing out how unintelligent you are, i lold. i have the right to be suspicious, esp if hes submitting his demos to the site. ive voiced my opinion and if you dont like it, feel free to disagree - but it in no means gives you the right to talk down to me like that. anyway, ive said what i have to say - im sure your going to bring up a point that ive already rebutted in a previous comment as per usual, without reading any of my replies, with some petty insults chucked in aswel - so have fun with that cause u wont be getting a reply. for once im taking chosens advice - thank you oh wise one

21/12/2009 08:13:00

You can lol as much as you want... You think you are the smartest and the only one who is right. "@ faker edark cannot detect everything, as is evident by the fact that fofs demos are on the site. (his lj/hj/xtremeblock)" This isn't suspision - it's accusation (and you still didn't get what I am saying). And if you read yours and mine comments, you would see, that you're the only one insulting. "but it in no means gives you the right to talk down to me like that." I didn't swear in my post, I didn't call anyone an idiot, I didn't call anyone a faggot.

21/12/2009 09:30:00

now do a comeback, Hazard you need to do a comeback to this discussion DO IT _D_O___I_T