Kreedz tutorial

By faker mapper·
Hey guys,

christmas is almost over, but yet there is another present for you - a project I've been working on during the last half year: a big and complete Kreedz Tutorial!

It includes all the main kreedz techniques out there and explains the main kreedzing techniques in a way every beginner should be able to understand and learn them. It also help very beginners to find their way into the huge and wide world of kreedz climbing and getting started in its last chapters :) However, their might be some additional information and some extra knowledge for everyone who's interesting what's causing highjumps to be harder or what's making edgebugs or jumpbugs even possible :)

If you have any ideas or suggestions regarding the tutorial please use the corresponding forum thread given in the last chapter or the tutorial - or just leave a comment in this newspost.

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plet
26/12/2009 21:21:00

Nice! :-)

Fanas
26/12/2009 21:24:00

Very nice idea ;)

oP^
26/12/2009 21:25:00

good idea great present :D so, its nice:D

BBBsonny
26/12/2009 21:27:00

ur the man big thx to faker!!!!

Pjevs - tfw.kz
26/12/2009 21:30:00

Wow, thats so cool! Good Job!

akkord mapper
26/12/2009 21:32:00

would have been better with a real persons voice then a robo one

VineWood
26/12/2009 21:32:00

:up: great job!

Messing
26/12/2009 21:35:00

Nice ! good work ;)

-F/m'Z- ten3R
26/12/2009 21:36:00

good job, multilangual? :D

VOOD
26/12/2009 21:39:00

The [b]Wallrub[/b] just like the ordinary fastrun: This time you got to run alongside an usual wall and look either inside or away from the wall with an an

Talent Cacalau
26/12/2009 21:41:00

hello i don't know how to do jumpbugs , did 4 or 5 in 20 minutes (very lucky lucks) but i don't know how ! just did +duck and +jump near the solid! :D but i don't know any server with jbstats :(

Kureno
26/12/2009 21:43:00

Good Job

|Hunter|
26/12/2009 21:46:00

JUST AWESOME! Great job guys.

Ggs`
26/12/2009 21:46:00

Great work!

KrstN
26/12/2009 21:50:00

yeah it's very nice i enjoyed it reading :) nice work

theddy
26/12/2009 21:53:00

GJ guys awesome work :)

3ss
26/12/2009 21:55:00

omg , brilliant , gj.

akse
26/12/2009 22:02:00

oh shit, it is very interesting ! i like it, enjoyed! :P :P :P sweet

Turek
26/12/2009 22:06:00

That's fuckin [b]masterpiece ![/b] great job

love hurts
26/12/2009 22:16:00

just amazing.. GJ!

MuscLe
26/12/2009 22:17:00

Awesome "document" !

Freez^_x
26/12/2009 22:22:00

Rly Nice :)

geddyK
26/12/2009 22:32:00

That's brilliant news! Good Job staff <333

tronix
26/12/2009 22:33:00

this one's sick!

rad
26/12/2009 22:34:00

rly nice Gj !

c0l3c7i0n
26/12/2009 22:39:00

GJ...usefull

Lazze
26/12/2009 22:44:00

Really sick tutorial. Perfect for beginners!

NeMiQ22
26/12/2009 22:56:00

This tutorial is sooo great that it can't be truth. Awesome job, only the history thread update or some modification and it will be pure awesomeness. <3

dikroN
26/12/2009 22:57:00

I loved the intro... but the tutorials in videos are not really good in my opinion... for example in the fastrun you should use the speedometer plugin the text is understabable for beginners... but as I said the videos are not too much clear for someone who completely ignores a technique.

Funksta
26/12/2009 23:04:00

Good job faker and the other guys. :)

slaip
26/12/2009 23:10:00

with this sweet tutorial now everyone able to become a pro. excellent work faker.

waplet
26/12/2009 23:11:00

oh yes thanx spr1n for imaging where is 0 and then came up to 2 units about.. and fof for strafe advice on prestrafe dependecies

Torex :O
26/12/2009 23:13:00

this is rly awesome, i spend ~1h just reading it rly awesome job :) i think now instead of telling people goto google or smth i will say goto XJ :o

s1gh
26/12/2009 23:20:00

Did you even proofread this? What kind of message are you trying to send newcomers about how "professional" this community is by having such horrible English in the very first page they are likely to see when joining? Even in the first video...

TlofT
26/12/2009 23:22:00

very nice. i wish i had this a few months ago instead of bugging others to teach me stuff

7ranc3Man!ac
26/12/2009 23:24:00

tnx, man=) This tutorial is very easy=) Gj

juanzEEt
26/12/2009 23:26:00

nice job

Boehse
26/12/2009 23:29:00

great job, this will help me alot. thank you

KeltA
26/12/2009 23:41:00

:-)

dDRuf
26/12/2009 23:50:00

nice

CALWEEN
26/12/2009 23:55:00

GJ , great idea :)

ndR moviemaker Tournament #2
26/12/2009 23:58:00

[quote=s1gh]Did you even proofread this? What kind of message are you trying to send newcomers about how "professional" this community is by having such horrible English in the very first page they are likely to see when joining? Even in the first video... [/quote] What a nice message from an "always nice person". Please remove the broom you got in the ass dude, he did spend so many hours working on this and the first and only thing you come up with is this kind of message. Do you realize how much time it has taken? Have you ever done such a work in your whole life? I don't think so, otherwise you would know how hard and long it is. I seldom saw such a negative message... Go to bed dude, sleep a bit and come back when you're cool (if you're able to be). Ah and btw, [b]95% of this community hardly understand basic english.[/b]

f|y
27/12/2009 00:10:00

we wait too long for this

s1gh
27/12/2009 00:11:00

I appreciate the feedback on my personality as a response to the feedback on the tutorial. I am a very nice person indeed (and I like the broom). The fact that he spent a long time doing this doesn't make it any better. He could spend a lifetime writing this or a day, and it still doesn't make any grammatical sense. And yes, I have written plenty in my life, thanks. "Ah and btw, 95% of this community hardly understand basic english." Good point! Says a lot about your precious community, doesn't it?

lagster mapper
27/12/2009 00:14:00

well done!

m0ver
27/12/2009 00:18:00

Excellent job faker!

simpler
27/12/2009 00:28:00

I dont know what to say!! This is awsume, GJ faker!! <3 :D

s1gh
27/12/2009 00:35:00

"Holy jesus," what an overreaction. Have you not noticed that I haven't posted a GREAT comment in quite a while just because of how awesome this community is? And yeah Mr. Head Admin, my comments are GREAT because they are the only ones that have some sort of thinking behind them rather than simple, undeserved support. I was plainly pointing out that you should have proofread your article because it contains utterly horrible grammar, even in the introduction video! Imagine any American, any person with decent English, or, god forbid, a potential sponsor watching that video. They would cringe their teeth at the terrible quality of the writing. I wasn't even trying to be offensive in my first comment. I, along with anyone else who can speak English, would back that statement up 100%. If you choose the main language of your website to be English, at least make sure you can write in it. And if you can't - get someone who can to edit your writing. It's not that difficult. "P.S: You must have had a nice christmas dude to be in such a mood... oh, wait, you *beep* don't even celebrate christmas, right?" This is GOLD. The head admin of XJ breaking the number one rule on his website. Wow, this made my day. Really, you should know better...

PepoMerca
27/12/2009 00:38:00

great

Nannou
27/12/2009 00:54:00

agree with ndR.

SUBWAYZ
27/12/2009 01:00:00

@sigh: I won't even read you comments since I don't see any problem with English used in tutorials. Good job all involved, constructive comments are nice but thats rather offensive. I wouldn't rate my English better than the average here and I really enjoy'd reading articles and watching tutorials. Grammar ain't the most important aspect when writing something in teaching purpose and for newbegginners. I wonder why you are wasting your time here whining about such things. Corrections can and will be made, thats for sure, but they are not essential for understanding the main points. I appriciate time people used in this project and hope this won't be last big project instantiated here My English sucks, don't dare criticise it

BBBsonny
27/12/2009 01:04:00

word to ndR

SchlumPF
27/12/2009 01:06:00

hi guys, long time no see (kz got boring for me). firstly, merry christmas! secondly, s1gh is right imho :X to summarize the following list of suggestion: you really need to make reading the text easier by dividing the text into a small basic introduction for each technique and additional notes. for example, that mathstuff of eDark about highjumps. honestly, i think they are kind of intersting but newcomers should not really care for those, they should just learn how to jump. after that, they may start learning how to know kz works related to the engine. also the amount of expressions you use are confusing (you are sometimes even using different expression confusing the reader). the english you are using should also be a lot easier, just think about, sry that i have to say this (if you are angry, i am german! call me a racist.), there are a lot east europeans who do not understand english as well as ppl like faker, <n>ord <d>eutscher <R>undfunk etc (you were just the first person which came to my mind as "famous" ppl around this community). it may be ugly that i post this list now but i really dislike publishing texts without proofreading it certain times by a lot of people. especially if they are published by a huge community. just imagine xj being run by (sry :D) bulgarians who cannot write english properly? there is even a reason why oO3ddYOo trys to not post a lot of things written by him in newsposts (though i really like you 3ddy, sry for mentioning you xD). anyway, here is the list i have made while quickly scanning over the text: it is written very quickly so excuse me for any mistakes i made! "Bhops/Bunnyhops: A number of consecutive jumps without stopping, bunnyjumping." maybe its just my understanding but i always understood bhop/bunnyhop as the common word for bhopping nowadays and bunnyjumping for an expression for the old 1.3 style of bhopping. if im right axn even has a cvar called "axn_bunnyjump". "Duckstandup Bhops:" should be just Standup Bhop... this expression is used all over the text. "Longjump/LJ: Every jump that is longer than 220 (and therefore can’t be done with normal w + jump)." 215 is possbile by normal running combined with a jump. 219 for example would require either a (w-key only) pre or strafes. "Highjump/HJ: A Longjump on blocks which are higher than 70 units" wasnt it 70+? the sentence says 71+ "AMX/AMXX: Plugins used on jumpservers, which allow the users to use checkpoints or hook, are based on AMX/AMXX." just let me point out that amx and amxx have a huge difference, amxx is based on amx (which isnt developed even more) + its open source and more popular than amx. might sound redundant but hey, i was coding a lot of plugins for amxx and to me its an important note :D "AXN: A metamod plugin that uses the old Counter-Strike physics and movement for Bhops." it doesnt use it, it gives the admins the possibility to enable the old 1.3 physics such as removing slowdown on bhopping. "the chart" the ak speed is slightly wrong, it should be 0.884 since its speed is 221 units/s while 0.88 means 220 units/s. also, you might add 250 units/s is the normal speed (100%) and 2% mean a change of 5 units/s. "3.1 Ordinary Fastrun:" 260 units/s is an avg value, you might add that. "5.1 Prestrafe for Longjumps:" You can jump a distance of ABOUT 239 units without even strafing in the air (239 isnt for sure... ppl already did 24x stats preonly and i guess insen still claims to have done 240). dont act like its a given fact ^^ just a small note here before i forget it, you should mention never to hold "w" while jumping, just to get rid of it and getting the feeling of strafes. "-> Note: Sliding requires a high amount of FPS, otherwise it will become very hard and unstable, causing you to fall of." could be misunderstood, you should refer to dev0. "You gotta" you shouldnt use that in an official tutorial :D "(f.e. a bridge)" ive never seen f.e. before :X isnt e.g. the proper term for this? "we learnt" learned should be more proper since its used in most texts. correct me if im wrong but though i know that learnt is correct it hurts my eyes somehow xD "the duck key nearly a few (!) moments before you would be touching the ground" a few moments before you touch the ground... sound more "easily" xD at least the nearly should be killed "whilst" im german but i guess whilst is a very rare expression. since a lot of xj members have a lot of mistakes in their written english i suggest using "while". "The consequence is going to be a small boost!" my understanding of boost is a push forward but actually youre boosted upwards, arent you? i always thought the gaining of speed of standups was through the strafes getting more effective through the gained height -> airtime. "learned" who not using learnt? "Note:Bunnyhop" you forgot the space in here ^^ "try to get 299,9 units/s exactly" , -> . "tip by chrizzo" i would rather use advice here. "height of 70+" thats just a evidance for my 4th point :D "However this technique can bring you the maximum prestrafe speed that is possible: 299,(9) units/s." 299,9 looks better, else you need at least tu change the , to a . and move it into the brackets.

omilo
27/12/2009 01:07:00

So much good beeing done by faker nowdays :) GJ!

SchlumPF
27/12/2009 01:16:00

damn, a lot of posts while i was writing my own xD folks, you should not forget to only see positive aspects. btw, s1gh you are an englishman arent you? at least i think that i somewhere read that but if it is really true, why dont you proofread the text and exactly tell what faults are in there ^^ i had a try but im sure i made a few mistakes and didnt see mistakes others might have recognized. (sry if this is a dp, didnt check whether there are new comments)

SchlumPF
27/12/2009 01:17:00

"folks, you should not forget to only see positive aspects." -> folks, you should forget to only see positive aspects. DP I GUESS MUHRHR

s1gh
27/12/2009 01:19:00

Thanks for the moral support, SchlumPF, but don't think that everything you said there covers it... The whole article is smothered with mistakes. Oh, and "learnt" is a proper expression for the past form of the very "learn."

s1gh
27/12/2009 01:21:00

You posted more... I am no going to edit this, no way. I wouldn't do it before, and I laugh at the prospect of doing so after faker's comment (which he, embarrassing as it was to him, deleted).

LeTHaL-
27/12/2009 01:23:00

good stuff.. 1 x heard about duckbug :D Nice work! Readed with pleasure ;) In chapter 5.1 - you are missing the [b]G[/b] letter in longjump word :D "lonjump"

faker mapper
27/12/2009 01:32:00

I just figured you're not worth wasting my time with... and posting an answer would just cause another of your answer and turning this happy newspost into a pointless discussion. I don't do all the work here on the page etc. for people like you... If all people were like you (writing arrogant bs without having ever achieved smth), I would be gone for quite a while already... and if this wasn't an official and "professional" community I'd just love to purge your account :-)... But unfortunatley we are, so you have a "right" to give shitty feedback (based on personal issues you had with me) for those who care... However, I don't.

SchlumPF
27/12/2009 01:34:00

i didnt say that "learnt" is wrong, did i? at least learned is always used in german english lessons and should be more proper in english texts. at least i didnt read a book in which learnt was used :X about faker: thats the power of admins :D posting crap and immediately deleting/editing it after rereading and recognizing that its crap! faker if you really did something wrong you should just appologize :/

Remote
27/12/2009 01:37:00

Stop. Hammer time.

SchlumPF
27/12/2009 01:38:00

banhammer isnt coming soon as long as this "conversation" stays on this level, faker indirectly promised :)

s1gh
27/12/2009 01:50:00

@SchlumPF: Nope, you didn't. And you're right, it's less common than "learned." @faker: You already wasted your time by writing up the comment. Stop pretending. You're just embarrassed that you made a completely racist comment. Since you are an admin you decided to delete what you said instead of face it, which is quite pathetic. Oh, how "professional" your community is if the head admin himself won't face up to his comments. Did you realize that even you put "professional" in quotes? You don't believe it either, do you? Again, my feedback was not shitty -- it was honest. And I didn't realize that I had personal issues with you? I certainly do now, though. By the way, nice job editing this comment as well. You added some wonderful points and really touched up your language! "(writing arrogant bs without having ever achieved smth)"? Are you kidding me? What have I ever achieved... Well, certainly it can't be as grand and fantastic as running a virtual community online! You just can't face it when you get truthful criticism. Of all the comments I've made here on your GREAT website, this one was the least flamey. Sad...

SchlumPF
27/12/2009 02:16:00

just to point this out: s1gh seems to be moved in some position in which he is alone against the majority of the community which seems to really like this tutorial. creating the tutorial which is almost fully correct (just a few things, just have a look on my list, which are wrong). the only thing s1gh and ME (he is not alone) dislike is xj being a big community and as such xj should really try to look as professional as possible. this means major problems like grammaticle ones should not occure. although the text is very long there are a lot of mistakes and those should have been fixed before. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE DISLIKE THE WHOLE TUTORIAL. i think s1gh will agree if i say gj for spending that much time writing it but if you had that much time you could have waited 2 more days in which ppl could have proofread the text. btw, s1gh may not have achieved something for the community but his post was criticism making him care about xj which is, at least to me, an achivement. there cannot be only positive feedback! another thing which just came to my mind: most ppls comments can be summarized by "gj bla bla" where bla bla in sth to make the post look like... sth (?!) while s1gh and me are actually posting feedback. faker you should rather tell s1gh or me (you didnt comment my feedback... do you appreciate it because i did sth for the community if you think about my plugins) what you agree/disagree with. oh, also s1gh is refering to you putting "professional" in quotes. i like to also mention that you put "rights" in quotes... has it some meaning too? im waiting for more commenty, this is quite funny :D

s1gh
27/12/2009 02:21:00

Thank you. Don't expect a response, though.

fantasist
27/12/2009 02:27:00

This article is an awesome masterpiece!

SilverNinja mapper
27/12/2009 02:34:00

Nazis generally react poorly to any form of criticism from Jews, which has been evidenced in the past. However, s1gh is genuinely concerned for the future of this community, but faker shows no appreciation for s1gh's tender regard. Instead, he reacts with sheer hatred and disdain, disrespecting s1gh's way of life. With faker in charge of XJ, I cannot help but be reminded of Hitler. It sickens me..

w1zzrecord holder
27/12/2009 02:36:00

s1gh, just shut the fuck up please.

niel
27/12/2009 02:41:00

no words, just awesome!! GJ XJ!!

faker mapper
27/12/2009 02:41:00

Okay, now you showed all the guys what an awful admin I am... and that I can show human or even immature reactions sometimes, as well.... Good... Will you finally leave then? kkthxbai P.S: I didn't delete my comment because of that line that owned you... I just KNEW you were going to reply on it and I really do not like to talk to stubborn and arrogant persons like you.... also you guys take any joke against you as racismn anyway... Lot of my best mates actually come from arab countries, albania or russia. I'm doing a lot of things, but not hating other nations... or being a racist. However, I actually never met one of your kind that wasn't arrogant, feeling superior and making the guys around him feel that.... mh, reminding me of... mh... you? And saying that does make me a racist/nazi again in your weird opinion, right? Then you should know that I even fought nazi's when they tryed to go against people from other nations, so you actually know shit about me if you think that. P.S²: Anyways... happy new years eve. Or are you guys skipping this one, too, cause your're too busy making [url=http://i50.tinypic.com/35au8ah.jpg]moniez[/url]? - Serious answer: [quote]You already wasted your time by writing up the comment. Stop pretending. You're just embarrassed that you made a completely racist comment. Since you are an admin you decided to delete what you said instead of face it, which is quite pathetic.[/quote] Once again you draw the wrong conlusions. I didn't delete my comment because of that line that owned you... I just KNEW you were going to reply on it, NO MATTER what I would write to you... and I really do not like to talk to stubborn and arrogant persons like you. That's why I decided to remove that post, after remembering the old discussions we had and remembering that you never agreed one a different opinion other than yours, not even when your "arguments" were falling apart.... The upper part of this post should prove that I'm not afraid of giving back sarcasm to people who don't show a bit respect for other people's work. Argument 1 defeated. [quote]Did you realize that even you put "professional" in quotes? You don't believe it either, do you?[/quote] Of course we are not a professional community... we don't have any big sponsors and we don't get money for what we do...kinda obvious, isn't it? That's why "feedback" like yours is making me so angry.... You understand shit about the time people actually spent for this website and show ZERO respect towards them. That's why I wish I could exclude people like you from taking benefit of my work (or being able to "judge" my work). Argument 2 defeated. - [quote] Again, my feedback was not shitty -- it was honest. [/quote] And I've been to the moon before -- honestly. [quote]"(writing arrogant bs without having ever achieved smth)"? Are you kidding me? What have I ever achieved... Well, certainly it can't be as grand and fantastic as running a virtual community online![/quote] Your sarcasm implies that you think running a community like this (as a hobby) is nothing that should or could be considered as an effort.... so what does that tell us about you as a person, spending time to argue on such a community? What you just did is called selfown dude... [quote]You just can't face it when you get truthful criticism. Of all the comments I've made here on your GREAT website, this one was the least flamey. Sad... [/quote] Just save that bs... It was the least flamey, right, but it was the most disrespecting comment, too. btw... I had 2 native speaker reading over it, they said it wasn't perfect but it was more than good to understand... Argument 3 defeated... Now bring it up... no matter what you chose to say, I won't bother to warn or ban you.

SchlumPF
27/12/2009 03:06:00

"Argument 1 defeated." thats not really a good way to defeat argument 1... if you say nazi terms to your rl friends its different from doing this to ppl on the inet you dont know... also you should not do this as long as you are a representative of a huge community.

WownuK;
27/12/2009 03:14:00

really nice tutorial

kafds
27/12/2009 03:40:00

Not only these comments in this newspost are great drama and entertainment, but there are bits of truth shattered all around each post. Some of the posts have gathered a bit more of these bits making the points perfectly valid, and in my opinion s1gh is one of these people whose criticism was valid and true. When I read the tutorial, ofcourse the entirety of the "article" was extremely great and a very good achievement and positive in all ways, but the solidity/reliability of it was lowered due to the grammatical mistakes. As s1gh said, potential sponsors reading the tutorial/seeing the video tutorial et cetera might start thinking of the level of professionality in the community. Is it worth to sponsor? Not necessarily. Also s1gh mentioning English speaking people - were they either from the United States of America, England, Australia or New Zealand, the level of credibility is voluminously reduced. Sure, it should have propably been proofread, but after spending all the hours writing this, doing possible research to cover the facts and other things, the creator (faker) propably felt alot of pride for his big achievement. The reason why faker responds with slightly more temper than he usually does is propably due to the fact that he spent so much time and effort for this article, and a few people stand in the crowd with criticism about something that doesn't concern the real idea behind the article; a kreedz tutorial. SilverNinja, your "entry" to this "war" was a bit funny to me, was it a joke or something that you really feel? I don't think that generalizing all german people as "nazis" is good, thats a bit racist in my opinion. I don't think faker is the hitler of Xtreme-Jumps. (note "hitler" written lower case letters, since I use it as a word to describe "hitlerish" people)

kz[a] Hazard
27/12/2009 04:06:00

ahh god i've been in s1gh's position all too many times.... welcome to my world my little friend. solution: give up all dignity and join the proverbial clown car of dribbling yes men. (its not a good solution but its the only way-out i've seen so far!) GLHF!

s1gh
27/12/2009 04:09:00

Wow, no warning or ban?! Now I can really spill the beans! Although, I believe you’ve done most of the work for me, dear humble Head Admin. That line that… owned me? You mean, the one that said “oh, wait, you jews don't even celebrate christmas, right?” Nope, I don’t celebrate Christmas. I don’t fast on Yom Kippur either and sometimes I don’t light candles on Hanukkah. By the way, New Years is not a religious holiday – it is just an internationally recognized day. And yeah – I do plan to celebrate that one. Really, you “owned” me completely. I think I’m gonna go wash my jewcurls and count some money as I cry my eyes out. Your friend in the picture can help me. [quote=faker]I just KNEW you were going to reply on it and I really do not like to talk to stubborn and arrogant persons like you.... also you guys take any joke against you as racismn anyway... Lot of my best mates actually come actually from saudi arabia (terrorist!), albania and russia. So I'm everything else, but not hating other nations... and not being a racist. However, I never met one of your kind that wasn't arrogant, feeling superior and making the guys around him feel that.... mh, reminding me of... mh... you? Oh, you...[/quote] Stubborn? Arrogant? You got that from my original comment, or some preconceived notion of me? You act as if I don’t know anything about you, and yet you have me completely figured out. “Oh yeah, he’s Jewish. Once, he argued with me over one of my bad decisions as the head admin of my community. Must be a total dickhead.” Hi, my name is of no concern to you, I was born in Israel and currently live in the U.S. I like tennis and just got accepted into college. I used to play a lot of kz and even had a couple of records on XJ – a community I once respected. You say that you’re not racist and then post that picture? I’m sure Moxx and ndR will get a kick out of that one. Hey, what happens when a Jew with a boner walks into a wall? He breaks his nose! Funny, right? I think so too. You’ve never met “one of [my] kind” that didn’t feel superior? I’m sorry, but you must not meet many Jews in Germany. As for myself, I’m actually surprisingly humble in the right environment. However, how can you not sometimes feel a little bit more worthy than others around you in such a community? Please, spare me. I know you feel the same at times (although, maybe not with good reason). Just look at the comments on here. Look at w1zz’s comment. Have any of these people shown that they deserve some sort of respect? Over my time on this website, there have been a few that have struck me as interesting – and those are the ones I paid attention to. Eventually, I stuck just with those ones and left the rest of “you guys” behind, because I didn’t want to waste my time. So before you go and make generalizations about Jews, get your facts straight. Go meet some people. I don’t judge you for being German, do I? Just because I’ve met and “spoken” with heat, doesn’t mean I think that all Germans are Nazis or haters. Be more open-minded – to both the person I am and the suggestions I make. You let too many prejudice thoughts into your mind. [quote=faker]Once again you draw the wrong conlusions. I didn't delete my comment because of that line that owned you... I just KNEW you were going to reply on it, NO MATTER what I would write to you... and I really do not like to talk to stubborn and arrogant persons like you. That's why I decided to remove that post, after remembering the old discussions we had when you never agreed when your "arguments" were falling apart by mine. The upper part of this post should prove that I’m not afraid of giving back sarcasm to people who don’t show a bit of respect for other people’s work.[/quote] When you wrote that, you wanted me to reply to it. You knew that I was going to (you said it yourself); otherwise you wouldn’t have written it. I get it. You’re angry, and wanted to go straight for my balls – oh, not my weak point! I understand that you thought making some Jew joke would hit me where it hurt, so I’m sorry to disappoint. You’re not the first or the last who’ll ever throw a Jew joke in my direction. So you wanted to avoid a discussion, just like the old ones in which you made arguments that made my own “fall apart”? I doubt it was because you know I was right, was it? By the way, sorry if I don’t see eye-to-eye with you on the whole falling apart bit, but I guess I’d have to read them up again before I make that statement. Your upper post was “sarcasm”? Sarcasm?? What on earth are you talking about? You mean to say that no part of you actually believes what you wrote up there? I think you were being honest, unfortunately. I still don’t see how I don’t show respect for your work. Would it have made a difference if I wrote, “Nice idea, poor execution”? I think plenty of people above me half-wittingly told you that this is a great idea. A fantastic idea, actually. But yeah – it was poorly executed, and that was what I was trying to get across. I’ve made comments on here before that were more mean-spirited, but this time, I actually tried to help you. I’m disappointed you couldn’t see that. [quote=faker]Of course we are not a professional community... we don't have any big sponsors and we don't get money for what we do...kinda obvious, isn't it? That's why "feedback" like yours is making me so angry.... You understand shit about the time people actually spent for this website and show ZERO respect towards them. That's why I wish I could exclude people like you from taking benefit of my work (or being able to "judge" my work).[/quote] You’re right. You don’t get any money for this (that’s what I’d like to believe, anyway). And yet, you strive to be a professional community. You’ve tried to gain sponsors before, but not only that – as you said, you spend so much time and effort on this community. That is why I cannot understand, for the love of me, why you did not make the final effort of proofreading this tutorial? Was it really not worth the time to make it better than what’s currently posted on the website? Because, frankly, what’s currently on there is just not up to standards with a normal 50k people community. Sorry for being brutally honest, but English-wise, it sucks. Maybe I don’t know the exact amount of time you spend on this community. In fact, no – I don’t know. However, it is completely irrelevant. As much time as you spent writing that, you could have spent just one more day or one more week editing it to make it better. And if you can’t, you should have asked someone more capable. I’ll refer to your two proofreaders later. Zero respect? You think that someone who posts the picture you just did deserves more respect than that? Well here, I’ve given you more than zero respect in this comment. I’ve given you more than the respect you deserve. [quote=faker][quote=s1gh] "(writing arrogant bs without having ever achieved smth)"? Are you kidding me? What have I ever achieved... Well, certainly it can't be as grand and fantastic as running a virtual community online![/quote] Your sarcasm implies that you think running a community like this (as a hobby is) nothing that should or could be considered as an effort.... so what does that tell us about you as a person, spending time to argue on such a community? What you just did is called selfown dude…[/quote] No, my sarcasm implies that you believe that this community is a bigger achievement than anything I’ve achieved, when, in fact, you have no idea what I have achieved. Also, I bring back this point: I have stopped posting comments on this community, because I feel it is worthless to spend my time writing out my opinion, as it goes mainly unnoticed or ignored. I do believe that since I continue to visit XJ daily, it was worth two seconds to post a small comment to inform you that the current article posted is not up to par with normal English-language standards. [quote=faker] Just save that bs... It was the least flamey, right, but it was the most disrespecting comment, too. btw... I had 2 native speaker read over it, they said it wasn't perfect but it was more than good to understand... [/quote] You know, I was being completely serious. You just have prejudiced opinions of me due to previous arguments, and decided to completely write me off as a flamer. As for your native speakers – sorry to break it to you, but they’re either not native, have no idea what they’re talking about, or didn’t want to make you feel bad about your writing. Personally, I think it was probably the third one. I could understand what you were writing most times, but sometimes I really had no idea. Either way, making simple grammatical mistakes such as “welcome in” and “to help you to learn” even in the introductory video? Again, what kind of message is that sending to the person reading the rest of your tutorial? [quote=faker] Now bring it up... no matter what you chose to say, I won't bother to warn or ban you.[/quote] What exactly were you expecting me to do? Throw a fit? Curse? Flame some other way? Honestly, you have to rethink the way you talk to people. From the moment you saw my comment, you were in for a fight. All of your prejudiced opinions… well, what exactly do you expect me to do about them? This isn’t the first time I’ve met someone who knew nothing about me, decided he did, and tried to offend me. And you know what? All of those people who had those opinions – I wasn’t able to change any of their minds. I don’t think I’ll be able to with you either. You’re either too dense to realize it or you’re too set to go against me to want to admit you were wrong. Nice tutorial, faker. I’m sure everyone loves it.

3.14XL
27/12/2009 05:07:00

thanks very much)

faker mapper
27/12/2009 05:16:00

Okay, wow, you flamed a lot before but now you stay extra calm just to make me look even worse - even though I gave you a whitecard for flaming me ... kinda smart, gotta admit that. However, you're still missing some points and are wrong on others. First of all saying that my english is horrible is simply wrong and ridiculous... maybe it's not flawless, maybe I got some grammar errors, yeah, but it's not even half as bad as you are saying (to make me look bad, just like on any of the other encounters we had so far)... this is not an essay I needed to write for a job, it's a text I wrote in my spare time and the main point was telling other people (which aren't native speakers as well) some facts about kreedz climbing... that's all. Compare it to any other text you can find on this website and you'll see that it's is no way worse than any other newspost, article etc. posted by most of the other persons... Since it would've been kinda boring to just tell you that in a way I just did, I made a real dull joke which was just as ridiculous as your comment about my language skills (at least in in my eyes), to make you understand how far off you are with what you have written. It wasn't meant as a racist joke, I wasn't meant to be funny, it wasn't meant offending/to get to your balls (okay, maybe a little bit, I gotta admit that) it was MEANT to own you.... because I knew you wouldn't get it... and you didn't... you just used it to make me look even worse, because that's what you wanted to do. And yeah, I can laugh about that picture (and post that picture) without being a racist imo, I also laugh about pictures showing germans as krauts or other things caricatures tend to use... because deep in my heart I know I'd rather die and try to kill Hilter instead of being a nazi under his regime. And btw.... yes, I'm german, but I'm also 1/4 .cz and and my parents and grandparents didn't fight in ww II and they didn't harm any jewish person in that time... And yeah, I've met quite a lot jewish people, and all of them tended to be the way I described them and my post above - and furthermore blame us germans (a generation that wasn't involved in any of the shit happend back then!!!!) as well as being uber sensitive about stuff/jokes like that... Of course it's not the race or religion that causes stuff like that, I guess it's more their mentality which was shaped by history and the shit that happend... And I don't blame anyone for that, but still I don't like to being treated like a racist just because I don't show more respect towards jewish people than I do for my friends from albania or for my black friends (which had wars, slavery etc. in their history, too)... but that's exactly what they do, at least here in germany - and that's the reason why I wrote that few lines about it. Might sound a bit like a prejudice but it's based on personal experience and I'm ready to change my point of view as soon as I met someone with a different attitude towards that... It's the same about saying french guys are a bit more rebellious than other nations (regarding politics) or the "german michel" is dumb and just focused about his home... a lot of people in germany are actually pretty dumb, and I know lot of french guys and all are interested in politics, so I guess prejudices can be true and not only stupid :) But it's not racist to say somehting like that that, just a bit prejudice maybe. Ok, I hope you get my point about this now... Some other facts: - I didn't even make that intro video (everyone knows I never made a movie before). - Taken from the most popular german/english dictionary here in germany: to learn | learned/learnt, learned/learnt | "Learnt" is what I learnt in school. - I know SchlumpF tryed to help and his criticism was mainly aiming towards the "jumping terminology" and some of the facts used in the tutorial - not my language - so this is no offense... but the language he used in his 2 posts wasn't any better than the language used in my tutorial... It sounded a lot like "denglisch" (german englisch). But, guess what, you're not saying one word about it at all, which is kinda funny,.. Kinda backs up my theory that you're just obsessed with me and making me look bad... - [quote]No, my sarcasm implies that you believe that this community is a bigger achievement than anything I’ve achieved, when, in fact, you have no idea what I have achieved. [/quote] You still didn't understand the point here either... I wasn't comparing the work spent for this community to any of your real life achievements... I compared it to your online achievements, particularly those for the kreedz community. I can't see any, except of giving mean and "shitty" feedback so far... You know, it's always very easy to sit back and "receive" and then "judge" and give bad feedback... I'm not saying you need to run a community as well to be capable of making good comments, but knowing what work is behind all of it might change your point of view and make you formulate negative things in a more friendly and respectful way. [quote]Honestly, you have to rethink the way you talk to people. [/quote] Maybe you're right about this... but you can say the very same thing about you, too...

rUn
27/12/2009 06:12:00

gj faker, amazing work also gj other people who helped

Boehse
27/12/2009 06:54:00

omg i love that tutorial. bevor that tutorial i was able to jump ~225-235 units. but it was always random. and rare now i can jump 240 units almost every 2. try. thanks alot

SilverNinja mapper
27/12/2009 07:39:00

[quote=kafds] SilverNinja, your "entry" to this "war" was a bit funny to me, was it a joke or something that you really feel? I don't think that generalizing all german people as "nazis" is good, thats a bit racist in my opinion. I don't think faker is the hitler of Xtreme-Jumps. (note "hitler" written lower case letters, since I use it as a word to describe "hitlerish" people) [/quote] I'm glad that I entertain you, but I find no amusement in tasteless, anti-Semitic degradation. I agree that generalizing all Germans as Nazis is not good, simply because it is inaccurate. If you believe that I was doing this, you misinterpreted my post; my intent was to suggest that faker, who addresses Jews as "fags [who] don't even celebrate christmas," clearly demonstrates the crude demeanor that so many Nazis exhibit.

kafds
27/12/2009 07:53:00

ok u win btw make wrs m8 you've got an awesome style - for me you are one of the best jump0rs

succsfl
27/12/2009 08:05:00

Very nice faker, u got my respect now. I know u from German league(you know) but as bad person. After i read the Text on readmore.de and this now, i dont think ur bad, ur okay. GJ. hope u read it. ;)

DiDo-Grecord holder
27/12/2009 08:15:00

gj

PsYxOpAt mapper
27/12/2009 08:27:00

nice and long tutorial :D nice work faker

s1gh
27/12/2009 08:44:00

[quote=faker]Okay, wow, you flamed a lot before but now you stay extra calm just to make me look even worse - even though I gave you a whitecard for flaming me ... kinda smart, gotta admit that.[/quote] Ah, of course. Making you look bad was my one, sly purpose in writing that comment. It just can’t be possible that I actually cared enough to make you see where you were wrong. You know, it’s very easy to say that when you have no real opposing argument. [quote=faker]First of all saying that my english is horrible is simply wrong and ridiculous... maybe it's not flawless, maybe I got some grammar errors, yeah, but it's not even half as bad as you are saying (to make me look bad, just like on any of the other encounters we had so far)... this is not an essay I needed to write for a job, it's a text I wrote in my spare time and the main point was telling other people (which aren't native speakers as well) some facts about kreedz climbing... that's all.[/quote] You’re making the mistake of comparing your English to that of the 95% of the community that ndR was talking about. Sure, those guys might not see any difference between this: [quote=Tutorial]Dear Newcomers, we know that it became harder and harder for newcomers to get started in this huge world of kreedz climbmaps these days, therefore we decided to write a tutorial which leads you through the very first steps in this community and helps to getting used of all this. This tutorial should give you a brief overview about the different techniques available for Kreedz Climbing and how to master them. No matter if you want to be able to beat all (or at least a bigger part) of the Climbmaps out there or just want to pwn some of the famous trickjumps on the ordinary de_ or cs_ maps: You will need to learn and practice (!) several/all of the techniques to be successful![/quote] And this: [quote=Fixed Tutorial]Dear newcomers, We know that it is becoming harder and harder nowadays for newcomers to get to know the huge world of Kreedz climbing. Therefore, we have decided to write this tutorial in order to guide you through the very first steps in the community and to help you get to know the Kreedz world. The tutorial should provide you with a brief overview of the different techniques available to kreedzers and the way to master them. Whether you want to beat all of the climbmaps out there or just want to be able to do famous trickjumps on ordinary de_ or cs_ maps, you will need to learn and [b]practice[/b] these techniques to succeed.[/quote] However, for the rest of us, and just maybe for those potential sponsors, you should try to put that extra bit of final effort in. You know what? Forgot potential sponsors. You should fix this only to respect your own so-called effort. Notice how I didn’t change too much. All it took was about 2 minutes to make it more grammatically correct. Of course, it’s not perfect, because most of your writing is plagued by awkward phrasing that sounds wrong to any native speaker. I don’t blame you for this, but simply criticize you for not going the distance and making sure it looks neat. No, it’s not ridiculous to claim that your English is too horrible for a page marked in bold on such a huge community’s website. You did make one valid point, though: [quote=faker]Compare it to any other text you can find on this website and you'll see that it's is no way worse than any other newspost, article etc. posted by most of the other persons...[/quote] Yeah, I’m not really digging the “It also help very beginners to find their way into the huge and wide world of kreedz climbing” sentence in this very newspost. Using that as an argument of why the rest should be bad as well? You’ve basically throwing your whole website overboard. Did you put as much time into the newspost as you did the tutorial? I doubt it. Should you maybe take this as an opportunity to think of your English-speaking members who cringe at the sight of this and try to proofread main posts on the website? Perhaps. Look at hazard. He’s submitted to following the crowd instead of voice a thought-out opinion. *Cue the kz-timer argument* [quote=faker]Since it would've been kinda boring to just tell you that in a way I just did, I made a real dull joke which was just as ridiculous as your comment about my language skills (at least in in my eyes), to make you understand how far off you are with what you have written. It wasn't meant as a racist joke, I wasn't meant to be funny, it wasn't meant offending/to get to your balls (okay, maybe a little bit, I gotta admit that) it was MEANT to own you.... because I knew you wouldn't get it... and you didn't... you just used it to make me look even worse, because that's what you wanted to do. And yeah, I can laugh about that picture (and post that picture) without being a racist imo, I also laugh about pictures showing germans as krauts or other things caricatures tend to use... because deep in my heart I know I'd rather die and try to kill Hilter instead of being a nazi under his regime. [/quote] Come on, who do you think you’re fooling? Give me a break, dude. If that picture of a walrus-looking-thing wasn’t brought up because you were angry at me and tried to hurt me somehow, then my name’s John Lennon and I am the Walrus. Woops, I guess I am supposed to be. Instead of somehow owning up to your words, to me it looks like you just conjured up this pathetic excuse… I still believe anyone with decent English would back up my statement, so no, it isn’t ridiculous. So, lemme get this straight: you “owned” me because you posted a racist picture and knew ahead of time that I wouldn’t get it, and yet you claim that it’s not a racist joke. If it’s not a racist joke, what the hell am I supposed to get? Is it a normal joke? Am I supposed to see a big walrus who wants money, wears a kippah, has a giant nose, glasses and jewcurls, and requests some “moniez plox” and laugh due to no racial context whatsoever? You say that the picture isn’t racist just because you can laugh at it. You know, that’s true about many things. I laugh at blonde jokes and redneck jokes and yo mama jokes, but I don’t actually hate blonde people or people from the south or yo mama. However, unfortunately, I think this is a different case. I wish you could look me straight in the eye and tell me that picture isn’t funny to you just because it’s racist. Only just in your last comment you wrote how you’ve never met a Jew that didn’t feel superior or arrogant, and now you claim there was no racial background or context to that joke? That you have no prejudice beliefs about Jews? No generalizations in your mind about an entire people? Why, because you like to believe a hypothetical situation in which you’d rather kill Hitler than be under his regime? Either way, it doesn’t even matter if I get it or not. You’re the head admin of this community. What kind of an example do you think you’re setting here? Is it difficult to answer these questions? Is that why you feel I’m trying to put you in bad light here? I used the picture to make you look even worse? Don’t worry dude, I think you got that taken care of all by yourself. [quote=faker]And btw.... yes, I'm german, but I'm also 1/4 .cz and and my parents and grandparents didn't fight in ww II and they didn't harm any jewish person in that time... And yeah, I've met quite a lot jewish people, and all of them tended to be the way I described them and my post above - and furthermore blame us germans (a generation that wasn't involved in any of the shit happend back then!!!!) as well as being uber sensitive about stuff/jokes like that...[/quote] Wow, wow now. You’ve made this into a historical argument? I think neither you nor I would like to talk about such a sensitive subject. Oh, I suppose according to you it’s wrong to be sensitive about “stuff/jokes like that.” I’m not going to get into anything like that, for my own sake as much as yours. I’ll just say that you prove to me once again you have preconceived notions about Jews in general, perhaps impacting your opinion of myself. I bet you met a very specific kind of Jewish people, and decided that all of us are the same. Aren’t you doing the exact same thing that those Jews were doing about your generation of Germans? What do you know about me and my ideas of the holocaust? You have no clue what I think, and yet you decide I’m “just another Jew,” here to call out anti-Semitism and hunt down Germans. I don’t believe that your generation is to blame for anything that happened in World War II. I have German friends that are part of your generation. I’ve been to concentration camps and Poland and I still don’t believe you’re to blame. I believe that you should take responsibility of your country’s actions, which you do (unlike Turkey and the Armenian Genocide, for example), for the most part. I believe that you’re responsible to remember what happened. But just because heat’s a neo-Nazi German kid doesn’t mean I think you all are. [quote=faker]Of course it's not the race or religion that causes stuff like that, I guess it's more their mentality which was shaped by history and the shit that happend... And I don't blame anyone for that, but still I don't like to being treated like a racist just because I don't show more respect towards jewish people than I do for my friends from albania or for my black friends (which had wars, slavery etc. in their history, too)... but that's exactly what they do, at least here in germany - and that's the reason why I wrote that few lines about it. Might sound a bit like a prejudice but it's based on personal experience and I'm ready to change my point of view as soon as I met someone with a different attitude towards that…[/quote] The point is you as an individual don’t show people respect simply because they are Jewish. You’ve shown it yourself – you believe that all Jews have a certain type of personality (apparently exhibited by me), and decided to make a joke based on that. Don’t tell me that you walk up to your black friends and say, “Yo my nigga, whatchu doin’ up in here ‘nstead of harvestin’ dat cotton, brotha?” If you do, then you’re pretty much racist all-around – forget Jews. There are certain things you don’t say to certain people because of all that shit that happened in history. You might do it in personal conversations with friends who you know understand your sense of humor, but in public? In your own community? It doesn’t sound prejudiced – it is prejudiced. You don’t judge people just based on the ones you’ve met “so far,” hoping that one day you’ll meet someone who can change your mind. When talking about such large and diverse groups of people, you have to give them the benefit of the doubt. [quote=faker]It's the same about saying french guys are a bit more rebellious than other nations (regarding politics) or the "german michel" is dumb and just focused about his home... a lot of people in germany are actually pretty dumb, and I know lot of french guys and all are interested in politics, so I guess prejudices can be true and not only stupid :)[/quote] You’re comparing that picture with calling French guys rebellious? Okay. So basically, you’re trying to say that stereotypes have some sort of truthful origin? Yup, that’s true. Does that mean everyone in that group is like that? Absolutely not. Are the majority of people in Germany stupid? I don’t think so. Are the majority of Jews rich, big-nosed, German-haters? No. [quote=faker]But it's not racist to say somehting like that that, just a bit prejudice maybe.[/quote] That is not up to you to decide. Coming from you, I interpret that picture as prejudice on top of racist. Do I still find it funny? I might, if it came from somebody else. I don’t appreciate the way you approached me in this thread from the very beginning, and frankly, if any person who I don’t know very well sent me that picture, I wouldn’t be very tolerant simply because I know that there are many people around who truly and honestly hate Jews. That might not be you, even though it sounds like you’re not far off. Wow, I really fit into your Jew persona now, don’t I? The Jewish hater who can’t take a joke. What an asshole I am. [quote=faker]I didn't even make that intro video (everyone knows I never made a movie before).[/quote] Doesn’t matter. It’s the first thing the viewer sees, and you should have made sure to tell the moviemaker to proofread it. [quote=faker]”Learnt” is what I learnt in school.[/quote] [quote=s1gh]Oh, and "learnt" is a proper expression for the past form of the very “learn.”[/quote] Nothing wrong with learnt. That’s the least of the tutorial’s problems. [quote=faker] I know SchlumpF tryed to help and his criticism was mainly aiming towards the "jumping terminology" and some of the facts used in the tutorial - not my language - so this is no offense... but the language he used in his 2 posts wasn't any better than the language used in my tutorial... It sounded a lot like "denglisch" (german englisch).[/quote] You can’t expect one member’s language to be representative of that of the whole community, can you? The majority might not mind the mistakes, but the minority that actually speaks proper English does. And besides, I’ve already made this point: you should do it simply in respect to the effort you’ve already put in. It’s like a half-assed attempt at the moment. [quote=faker] But, guess what, you're not saying one word about it at all, which is kinda funny,.. Kinda backs up my theory that you're just obsessed with me and making me look bad...[/quote] I posted an example of how a paragraph in a major article should look at the beginning. [quote=faker] You still didn't understand the point here either... I wasn't comparing the work spent for this community to any of your real life achievements... I compared it to your online achievements, particularly those for the kreedz community. I can't see any, except of giving mean and "shitty" feedback so far... You know, it's always very easy to sit back and "receive" and then "judge" and give bad feedback... I'm not saying you need to run a community as well to be capable of making good comments, but knowing what work is behind all of it might change your point of view and make you formulate negative things in a more friendly and respectful way.[/quote] I’ve recorded a world record on two maps, was part of the weekly team for a good while (http://xtreme-jumps.eu/news.php?extend.915), and have been as much a contributor to this community – at least in the beginning – as any other well-accomplished member. Sorry I can’t quite match up to your hailed admin position, but it’s as far as I got before growing tired of trying to be listened to. Try reading that weekly I wrote. I spent a long time editing every single piece of writing sent in by the other members of the team, and created most of it myself. I know what it’s like to receive feedback – I write graded college-level essays for school all the time. Again, I fail to see how I was being disrespectful in my comment. I’ve repeated this several times: it was genuine criticism. And you can see from other responses on here, it was not just made up shit, others agree with it. You choose to ignore them. [quote=faker][quote=s1gh] Honestly, you have to rethink the way you talk to people.[/quote]Maybe you're right about this... but you can say the very same thing about you, too...[/quote] I don’t understand how I’ve said a single thing as potentially offensive to you as you have to me throughout this entire exchange. Everything I said has been explained and totally legitimate. You, on the other hand, continue to come up with backhanded comments and unfitting historical connections that prove your own prejudice.

ALexGeNIy
27/12/2009 08:54:00

Gj! very n1 :)

babyshitter
27/12/2009 09:55:00

realy big work :) but i`m not sure that some of pro noobs will sit and read all about jump tehniques. GJ all :)

Ovidiu Dumitru
27/12/2009 10:00:00

I don’t like (I hate it) to post just to start a fight with someone. I’m more like a guy who likes constructive posts and if I’m not asking for too much, to not have a desire to hurt people, even though it says the truth or not. It’s about being polite and not having hidden intention in your posts. If your intentions were good when you thought of making a post, than, you should really learn how to express yourself. From my experience and from what I see, all people who fight here, are having or had personal problems with the staff. That’s why I don’t/can’t put my “trust” in your posts. It’s all about hurting the other guy, “to see/feel my furry”, to “YEA, TAKE THIS TOO BITCH. HAAAA”, to make him feel bad. Normally, when I see these kind of guys, I don’t even care (not that I care for you…), I don’t want to talk with him, just because guys like you make me sick. But since your other opponent is faker, “a man for all seasons” if you know what I mean, a man who has been working for this community for 4-5 years, a man who dedicates himself in creating/supporting this community, and so on. And it’s not about faker, the name faker, it’s about those things I mentioned above. Because you didn’t create/support these kind of huge things in your “career”, you don’t know (even 1%) how is it, what feeling do you have, when you actually help at creating something. I would dare to say that you don’t have/show respect. A strong moviemaking community has this motto “we got style, do you?”. Now, I’m asking you this : faker has respect, do you ? You have no idea how much your words hurt. A guy like him doesn’t deserve these kind of things. And for the finale, if you want to reply at this in order to insult me or to show your immature side, please don’t.

zzarecord holder Tournament #1 VIP
27/12/2009 10:06:00

s1gh > faker.

SilverNinja mapper
27/12/2009 11:18:00

[quote=kafds] ok u win btw make wrs m8 you've got an awesome style - for me you are one of the best jump0rs [/quote] I appreciate your admiration. Perhaps I shall reclaim minimountain, which was taken from me by your Finnish friend.

StoneCold mapper
27/12/2009 11:56:00

gj xj staff .... nice tutorial :)

Drop Dead
27/12/2009 12:11:00

-> Note: If you want to learn more about AXN feel free to read the AXN FAQ and Installation guide. can't open that page (not found)

mtoboiii8000 mapper
27/12/2009 12:16:00

Me lulz at faker vs. sigh :D:D But to support you i will take your side jew boy :P I mean come on faker i really admire your work on this but maybe you should have taken some help by someone whos native language actually is english! I dont blame you for mistakes but if i wrote this i would have asked someone to correct it! btw: If you would have taken this much effort in correcting your tutorial like you took in arguing with sigh it would be oxford english ;)

chrizZo
27/12/2009 13:01:00

s1gh and SilverNinja, you guys are the biggest trolls of all time here at XJ :D Still I think s1gh's criticism is kind of right. We need to fix the language mistakes. But s1gh, that is something we can do in time, with the support of people like SchlumPF. Faker wanted to post this article as some kind of a christmas present. Everyone who wrote some parts of it was doing that in a very short time and that is why there are so many mistakes. And s1gh, the content you are talking might be right, but your register and tone is awful and disrespectful. You know that, because you want to troll faker.

Skizo_record holder
27/12/2009 13:06:00

rly nice work. gj

perd0 mapper
27/12/2009 13:23:00

Good job dude.

lurp
27/12/2009 13:53:00

gj <3

dr4xX
27/12/2009 13:56:00

best !

episteme
27/12/2009 14:05:00

s1gh you wrote over 2100 words in your last comment, in the time it's taken you to have this debate, which has about as much intellectual merit between you as a couple of monkeys tossing shit, you could have pointed out and/or fixed every single one of the mistakes. As far as I know you're a decent guy as well as a decent member of the community, and regardless of the attitude you made it with, your first comment makes the point fine, which by the way I agree with; either write it with much more basic English so that everybody definitely understands, or make sure it's perfect English checked by a native. I just don't see why you had to descend that in to some ridiculous bait war with faker, who speaks English as at least a second language so it's much more difficult to read his tone or attitude to know if you've successfully 'trolled' him. faker I wouldn't have bothered responding to it at all, you even said in your first comment that you don't care but you continue to write more and more. He's being a dick to you, why dignify that with a response. Seriously s1gh 2100 words on that? Are you going to wake up tomorrow and still feel glad you wrote it? faker you come across as such a racist, even though it's mainly just jokes, and even though you are being baited in to it, it doesn't come across in a positive light. Just my two cents. Good work on the tutorial, we've needed something like this for a long time, I would have suggested a wiki for something like this though, allows long term improvement and significantly more depth over time, including the ability to edit the English errors.

SchlumPF
27/12/2009 14:08:00

"Faker wanted to post this article as some kind of a christmas present." thats what he said himself and as you can see many members appreciate that. "Everyone who wrote some parts of it was doing that in a very short time and that is why there are so many mistakes." if thats true at least i need to blame more ppl. my main point is to show up that faker/all editors of the tutorial should have spent more time on writing the article. s1gh already proofed major language problems within the article and i just think that the article should have another structure "And s1gh, the content you are talking might be right, but your register and tone is awful and disrespectful. You know that, because you want to troll faker. " maybe you are right, maybe s1gh really wants to troll faker but actually s1gh did not offend faker in any way. in fact faker began saying nazi things. as representative faker should have known better... >he is german< (prejudice: germans are nazis) and says such things in public? thats just inacceptable and stupid of him. im not a nazi at all but im even making fun of a jew who is a friend of mine when i am alone with him and friends who understand the jokes because they know its not racist in any way. but this also means that would never tell such a joke to someone i do not know irl..... "btw: If you would have taken this much effort in correcting your tutorial like you took in arguing with sigh it would be oxford english " then it would be even worse because the tutorial should be written in an low level of english when it comes to words with proper grammaticle constructions. faker needs to think about the readers of the tutorial and many of them barley speak english. "... but maybe you should have taken some help by someone whos native language actually is english!" so you only read half of the conversation. faker said he asked two native speakers to scan the text but actually they failed. the rest is just about "youre a racist!", "nope, im not you stupid jew, take that picture muhahah"... all i got to say about this is firstly, i laughed when i saw the picture and secondly, faker just stop making a fool of you. i never talked to s1gh before and always had a really good thinking of you so i guess i can be called neutral when i say that what youve saying is just a bad try of pretending yourself. just stop flaming and rather discuss the article itself. befor i forget it, you said somewhere that your english used in the tutorial is better than the one i use in my comments. i just want to say that i also use different english in different places, just like you said youre using english different for your hobbies than for your job. in school im having higher english classes and thats the place where i try to use as much high level words etc as possible. tbh, im not even scanning my comments after writing them or looking up words or w/e, i just write until i think its enoguh and click the "submit comment" button.

chrizZo
27/12/2009 14:20:00

to schlumpf: you can offend someone with a chosen tone and register and that is what s1gh did. faker started to insult him, there is a difference. It's my opinion when I'm saying that vulgar words are not that offending like an offending tone and register. Insults like faker did are flat and dumb. When you have a certain register in your language, you are basically insult the reader between the lines. That is what s1gh was doing (at least for me it sounded like that).

Fliborecord holder Tournament #2
27/12/2009 14:24:00

chrizZo, s1gh is disrespectful? Who's the one making Jew jokes here? He isn't trolling, he has valid points.

chrizZo
27/12/2009 14:28:00

Flibo read the comments before posting please.

dEMolite mapper
27/12/2009 14:33:00

agree on kzro`CyclopP. It was christmas a day of peace, love and friendship. Calm down guys and speak in a friendly manner!

NeMiQ22
27/12/2009 14:47:00

Why there has to be a flame war in every news even more on Christmas? faker and s1gh you should cooperate on correcting that grammar and no to discuss the same thing over and over again. You both spent so much time on yours endless posts. The less is sometimes more...

ndR moviemaker Tournament #2
27/12/2009 14:56:00

I just think there are manners to say things, you can write your opinion freely here in XJ, but [b]not the way you did[/b], s1gh. Your first message was really negative and your goal was just to hit faker. I'm not talking directly about what you said, I'm just talking about the way you said it, which was a pure troll. However, I don't know you IRL and thus I'm not really able to judge your entire person, but from what I've seen of you, from your posts and comments, most of them were simply trolls and/or very negative, criticizing almost everything and being arrogant in the same time. I'm sure you're a very nice person, but the only side of yourself you showed in here has always been the one I describe previously. You just have no diplomacy and tact, that's what I reproach you for. Anyway, this fight is going nowhere, and it's going to end with the comments closed. Don't you think it's time to stop? I'm sure we can simply discuss about this and give constructive criticisms, nah?

theddy
27/12/2009 14:58:00

btw, is 00:39 sec in the kreedz tutorial intro legal? :o

m0ver
27/12/2009 14:59:00

[b]@faker,[/b] regardless of whatever you must apologize since you are head admin and such behavior is not toleratable. your function precludes your ability to participate in such discussions. [b]@silverninja[/b] you sir just invoked http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law and thus lost debate. since you equate Jew jokes with nacizm you are simply an idiot because jokes do not represent mentality capable of exterminating other races. [b]@s1gh[/b] please compare your original post with [blockquote]Nice text but lots of grammatical errors. Please proofread text again if you want to look like professional community[/blockquote] Your tone is absolutely horrible and condescending. But it is not your first time. Please, be constructive and don't pretend you didn't know what kind of reaction you expected from your post.

dLx
27/12/2009 15:00:00

I simply cannot believe my eyes.. This was supposed to be a Christmas present and you guys turned it into a riot. Being the biggest kreedz community I think it's normal to have a tutorial about what is happening in here and what the hell is kreedz.. now he added that and voila(sorry I can't add the accent frenchies :D) a new reason for fighting/flaming. I have nothing against you s1gh but if you hate faker so much it would've been easier to say that : "There are lots of grammar mistakes which need fixing like: examples.. bla bla etc etc" He spent a lot of time writing it.I'm sure it's a bit impossible to finish it perfectly because I remember he was spending his nights writing and it's an exhausting work. But nvm the point is that this was supposed to be a some sort of present for the newcomers but it turned out to be a.... "mess" WOW !

akM
27/12/2009 15:11:00

high five!

KNiFEAR
27/12/2009 15:24:00

Great initiative! We appreciate your hard work. :)

Syler
27/12/2009 15:25:00

wow s1gh and Schlumpf's keyboards must be burning. how the fuck can you guys write that much? anyway this tutorial is awesome :) really good work faker

cC|SpiNe
27/12/2009 15:33:00

The community is definitely heading towards the shitter when the head admin(s) start the flame war of the year. s1gh's comment was perfectly ok criticism. To those who jumped on him for that, kiss up much?

cC|Nikolaa
27/12/2009 15:33:00

[quote=Syler]wow s1gh and Schlumpf's keyboards must be burning. how the fuck can you guys write that much? anyway this tutorial is awesome :) really good work faker[/quote] Just people with free time. Instead of talking so much bullshit, they could have helped faker to get the stuff "correct", but no - flaming is so fun! I really understand faker and I would have banned you both if I was him.

FoF mapper
27/12/2009 15:41:00

Why you guys don't appreciate this hard work which was done for this tutorial? It's about doing something helpful. And now you slight it. Go and try to make better one. I'm sure if you succeed this one will be replaced with yours. Sometimes it seems some of you are just waiting for something just to say 'shit' or 'worthless' and etc. If you don't like this community, door is open. Leave and don't blame. Looks like going on a visit and telling your neighbours they suck in their own house.

m0ver
27/12/2009 15:49:00

[blockquote]s1gh's comment was perfectly ok criticism. To those who jumped on him for that, kiss up much? [/blockquote]It's not kissing up, his tone was inflammatory and given his previous posts, not unexpected. There is difference between "this is wrong" and "ffs how can you make such stupid mistake". Or am I wrong? Sometimes, in order to get to point across you need to be polite and indifferent. Especially not condescending. And when you finish your work and someone comes with shitty attitude (ignoring the fact that he is right) it is just pure flaming.

SilverNinja mapper
27/12/2009 16:03:00

[quote=m0ver] [b]@silverninja[/b] you sir just invoked -link- and thus lost debate. since you equate Jew jokes with nacizm you are simply an idiot because jokes do not represent mentality capable of exterminating other races. [/quote] There are no "Jew jokes" in faker's reply; there is only a deragatory remark made about the Jewish people in a non-joking manner. Perhaps you are not perceptive enough to see faker's scornful mentality; a mentality capable of exterminating Jews, much like my mentality to gently irrumate you. Also, please elaborate as to how my invocation of Godwin's Law led you to posit that I am an idiot. I feel that my allusion to neo-Nazism was sound, given the acrimonious dispute involving a German making anti-Semitic remarks towards a Jew.

Fliborecord holder Tournament #2
27/12/2009 16:12:00

[quote]Flibo read the comments before posting please.[/quote] I did read them. Did you? Anyway, I'm out.

m0ver
27/12/2009 16:19:00

[b]@ silverninja[/b] I jumped because nazi paranoia is something I really hate. But if you can, unlike me, find that entire nation extermination mentality in faker's writing than I have no comment. I called you an idiot because people jump on he-is-a-nazi train all too often and for idiotic reasons (like they compare Obama). I just find it stupid because Nacism is too complex to use it so lightly.

kz`Moxx mapper
27/12/2009 16:40:00

Im dancing naked on the christmastree with a beerbong in my hand and a token from ceasars palace while pumping three coke cans in my face and smashing my head in the roof. Yesterday I was freestyling on a glass of milk and ganking mobs on a post it note, this is my life so I do what I want!

ndR moviemaker Tournament #2
27/12/2009 16:51:00

Did you ride some llamas Moxx?

chrizZo
27/12/2009 17:19:00

[quote=m0ver]It's not kissing up, his tone was inflammatory and given his previous posts, not unexpected. There is difference between "this is wrong" and "ffs how can you make such stupid mistake". Or am I wrong?[/quote] You are not wrong, you are absolutely right.

cC|Stewie!
27/12/2009 17:55:00

good job guys great tutorial

kafds
27/12/2009 18:03:00

My view of everyone involved (=s1gh, faker, SilverNinja [m0ver, sorry for not including you here, for me you are a nice supporting man but not involved in this "riot" as dLx described the situation earlier - I guess you don't want to be involved anyways so its no problem I GUESS]) [b]s1gh[/b] Perfectly valid and true point as said earlier by me and other users here. His tone, however, was slightly disrespective and therefore he was responded with the same attitude which lead to a so-called flamewar. I didn't like your attitude at all, sarcastic and something. [b]faker[/b] The creator of the tutorial, took the criticism as a personal issue and not a "constructive" comment at all - which was a mistake. I do respect your work for everything here, including this tutorial - its great... however you shouldv'e responded without starting a personal grudge that causes friction all over readers of these comments here. [b]SilverNinja[/b] Well... yeah, you didn't really make any points here in my opinion, just stepped in and told about how faker is the Hitler of XJ and you're sickened by that and blah blah blah - I don't agree with you. However you were right about faker showing some anti-semitistic sides of him when pulling out those Jewish jokes at s1gh. Also you showed everyone that you've got nice English skillz! I'm just an idiot who doesn't understands nothing about anything, and yet I am here trying to act smart. Man how stupid I am, just makes me want to puke on my lap. Jesus CHRIST!

BBBsonny
27/12/2009 18:03:00

kzro`CyclopP really big word at u man! to ndR too and again thanks to faker for this awesome work for the community! btw s1gh try to learn what a constructive post is ...and yeah kid my grammar is bad!

s1gh
27/12/2009 18:45:00

To those who criticize me of trolling “offending with my tone”: First of all, you’re right – I could have been nicer in my first comment. Previous experience I’ve had with offering insight in this community, however, led me to sound more negative. Frankly, I _am_ more negative about things that go on in this community. The reason I used that tone is not because I wanted to “make faker look bad” or write a 2100 word response or troll him – it’s because I truly felt like no matter what, I would not be able to get my point across to him. It’s frustrating. I knew that faker had some sort of grudge against me, and for that reason I did not expect him to consider my feedback in the first place. I still thought I should let him know, one way or another. However, to have my personality attacked right away by ndR, followed by faker’s deleted comment? While I knew faker’s prejudice existed, I did not realize just how much of it did or that he would publicly flame me on its very basis. Believe me when I say that if faker had not made all of those anti-Semitic comments, I would not have been inclined to write such long responses. When someone attacks who you are, against his very own rules on the website, you tend to respond. And then he goes and claims that it wasn’t racist because he could laugh at it? Consider this, faker: If any other member had posted that picture as a joke on the forum, would he not have broken the rules even though he didn’t think it was racist? Was thopa, who also contributed to the website for many years, exempt from the rules after he had broken them? I laugh at all of you who claim that the tone in my comments is more of an insult than what faker has written here. Try to put yourself in my shoes and see what you might have done if you had been personally attacked. m0ver, you actually believe that I expected a response like the one I got from faker? You’re kidding, right?

SchlumPF
27/12/2009 18:48:00

"btw s1gh try to learn what a constructive post is" his post was more constructive than all those flamewar related or "gj" posts.

akl
27/12/2009 18:50:00

Nice...wishing i had a tutorial when i started kz...gj

soul v2.0 mapper
27/12/2009 18:52:00

Serious business in here

preZ
27/12/2009 18:58:00

[quote1261936557=kafds] Sure, it should have propably been proofread, but after spending all the hours writing this, doing possible research to cover the facts and other things, the creator (faker) propably felt alot of pride for his big achievement. The reason why faker responds with slightly more temper than he usually does is propably due to the fact that he spent so much time and effort for this article, and a few people stand in the crowd with criticism about something that doesn't concern the real idea behind the article; a kreedz tutorial. [/quote1261936557] Agreed

mtoboiii8000 mapper
27/12/2009 18:58:00

I completely agree with you sigh! But it is faker! He is the admin, so who would give him a warning or ban him^^ Its a well known phenomenon that admins are hypocrites... :P I mean whats so bad about criticism faker? It would only make your work better if it was correct! So stop whining (both) and just fix it.. -_-

w1zzrecord holder
27/12/2009 19:00:00

s1gh you sound like Oprah...

kunqui
27/12/2009 19:09:00

haha soul raped

kafds
27/12/2009 19:11:00

FINALLY someone talks about me in the comments here. Thanks preZ, now I don't need to write another comment here and wait for someone to quote/mention me in the post. I did it all for attention.

Trinitron
27/12/2009 19:16:00

Because of my defective English I can't write very big text and express all it. I'm say short: Be fucking nice tuts guys.

heat
27/12/2009 20:05:00

[[blocked by an admin]]

kz`Moxx mapper
27/12/2009 20:16:00

yeah ndr I did ride a llama too actually in the snowscape of the world, actually in a snowball, it was great.

balele
27/12/2009 20:21:00

great tutorial, nice job guys!

Ewoud
27/12/2009 20:29:00

linking a tutorial for a stupid game called kreedz to politics, it happens on XJ. The tutorial is good, but i still think playing a lot (too much) is key to become a record holder. If i visit steam and view a players profile, im usually shocked cos they play 80 hours in 2 weeks, if not more.

simpler
27/12/2009 20:54:00

Oh shit this was alot to read. faker vs s1gh is a must read!! From my point of view the very first post that s1gh posted was way to flamy and negative, he could have said that with other words and this debate wouldn't occured. When i red it i had a feeling of that he had a really bad day and just wanted to throw shit at someone in order for him to feel better .. but that's just what i felt. Anyways i think it's very brave of faker to continue the debate, i think he shows that he his honest against the community. If i would have been in his position i wouldn't spend any time on responding to s1ghs negative post. Imo it would have given a much more proffesional impression of XJ if faker wouldn't have followed s1ghs bait. It's very clear that all s1gh wants is to mess with someone, and he's probably very proud of himself that he made faker write all those things, just for a shithead like him.

Trinitron
27/12/2009 21:09:00

PartI: In my opinion, it would be possible for you to consider one rule which includes the following: it is possible to use the native language what you own (Russian, Spanish, German, French). To use it in such themes, as this. When goes warmessages. What for? Probably there are people who wish to express much in warmessages. To stop? To support? To bring the point of view? ...Very much for a long time I and my friend became admins on one server CS (as our server has been broken). Yes, head admins was very serious. But it has been subject by illusion from younger administrators who were geek and hideots. Practically anybody from them couldn't tell anything head admins in written form, in admin-forum. It was to receive admins enough and to go to break server rules. On server there were many defects. Well. We've together begun warmessages. It was long. Each our speech has been well prepared and aimed what to tell to what chief managers they have errors. To what I it. Now goes warmessages, as well as were for a long time (for example by Alts!cH, FikoN). You could listen sometimes to people XJ? To the adequate? Which through the critics wish to help. Or always it seems to you, what he wishes to begin warmessages? In my opinion head admins should avoid warmessages and solve all. Including viewing of the errors... PartII: ndR. You aren't absolutely right, protecting the person. As faker all has written it, it should be ready to fight in messages. And yes, the given text not such big and it shouldn't be made LONG. I made similar long messages, is not simple so, flame, music, etc., no, same useful, but other subjects. I understand, you'll say: "to write is one, and all to make is absolutely another". I don't believe in it. faker too long in KZ. It is all it is possible to write maximum for week (including gathering of material from other assistants). It not advertising, and the answer to the following: if the person wishes to write something useful he will write it. Also will write it very well. What for Prospero has written so much and anywhere didn't advertise the tuts, even on the site? Look: http://arokhslair.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1945 He has written it for all to whom it is necessary. If newcomer - geek and the idler given tuts won't help it. To it it'll be bad from text considerable quantity. And yes, Prospero long online tuts wrote not so long. Given your tuts not for the beginner, given yours tuts for member of XJ and KZ. Newcomer won't master the given text, I'm not right? I didn't wish anybody to touch with it, but there was impression... The Person wished to help, make as better, but there was small spark, after which warmessages. Yes, here it is alot of provokers who try to prove the and they'll be right if to look from any party at each of them. But we after all write tuts for newcomers, yes? Then what for to begin warcmessages if it is possible to listen, can listen to them. And if people really malicious also wish to offend the messages it is possible to ignore them simply. But it isn't interesting, yes? I understand that here nobody will listen to me, as I here anybody and my English wish to leave the best. PartIII: When XJ has start life, administrators answered all and everyone.... Today the majority of administrators, switching on the main things ignore many people for various reasons. In my opinion it isn't correct. You tell, - "If I don't answer is doesn't mean that I don't read". Yes, there can be you and read. Read. P.S.: Excuse me, but to me really hard and long to write such big messages.

WeMeRA
27/12/2009 21:16:00

Nice tut! |:P| smiley in a box!

s1gh
27/12/2009 21:52:00

By the way, I love how instead of banning or warning heat you only blocked his message.

WeBb
27/12/2009 22:05:00

nice tutorial!:)

Talent Cacalau
27/12/2009 22:25:00

oh nice :D you should do a book "How kreedz tutorial turned in a very big conflict" All of you (who are arguing here) made mistakes and you still do! Just finish it because it's not fun to argue and kreedz is for fun ! Btw: nice tut , but it didn't actually help me even there are the "no fall damage bugs" that i don't know almost at all! i just do them because i'm lucky :D

Cobrex mapper Tournament #2
27/12/2009 22:36:00

the jumpbug / edgebug and other no damage fall ... are just 70% lucky !! Other 30% are for skill ( my oppinion ). Good ... it helps allot ...

Talent Cacalau
27/12/2009 22:41:00

well no cobrex! i just don't want to do any edgebug but i do and i scream "OMG OMG HOW LUCKY I AM AHAHA I WILL GO TO MY FRIENDS AND PWN THEM BECAUSE I DID EDGEBUG" in our language :D

Nubby-_-
27/12/2009 23:06:00

elodiu stop spam

faker mapper
27/12/2009 23:09:00

Well, first of all I want to apologize to s1gh (and any of the other people who had to read my comments) for involving his race and religion into this, in my (failed) attempt to demonstrate how misplaced his comment felt for me, by making another misplaced (and even worse) comment on him. Even though the meaning was not a racist one it could be (and was) easily understood that way... I see that now... and of course no user (or admin) in this community should be allowed to act in such a way, therfore I asked one of our admins to punish me according to the rules. Head admin or not, I'm a human too and sometimes I do act like one actually, even though I shouldn't... your tone did hurt my feelings and made me to go over the top, and I'm sorry for that one. Won't even happen again that I'll go down to such a level of discussion. - Still, some words directed to s1gh... Okay, so you think my explanations were prejudice and just made it worse and showed how anti-semitic I am? It was really wrong to involve your race and religion, especially the last one, can't deny that... (that's why I wrote the first part of this post), however I didn't mean it in a racist way... I really didn't. If I say I don't like the mentality of most of the jews here in germany, or the mentality of most of the germans themselves (I really hate most of the germans in here, even though I'm one of them myself), it's not automatically racism IMO.... cause it's not like I don't like them for their pure race or nationality (that would be racism!), I do not like them because of their mentality which was formed by cultural development, their history and time... An example for my comparison of germany is... most people here in germany don't care for politics, they just work all day, get home to their family and live in their own 100x100m² isolated world - and they accept everything the government or police is telling them without ever questioning it.... it's called "deutscher michel" iand it's really making me sick... I can't neither speak nor get along with people like this.... So basically what I was trying to say is that it's not their race or nationality I don't like, it's their "lifestyle", their way of living and how they treat other people... Exactly the same fits for germans, especially older ones, btw... Or their political attitude, as I mentioned before... That's why I even think about leaving this country and migrate to another country like canda some day (then I should be able to improve my awful language skills, to, ehehe). But yeah, there are the mainstream people and there are some different individuals, so it's stupid to be prejudice after all... I know that, but I didn't wrote that way, so I kinda failed there, too... I have to admit that, too. However, that still doesn't make me a racist after all. - Other than that I still think you're just trying to make me (and XJ) look bad, just like you did on any other occasion before... Especially after I was being told that you seem to laugh about jokes against jews yourself, if they come from your buddies - even if these buddies are german (like stormzz)... kinda hypocrite, isn't it? [quote=s1gh]By the way, I love how instead of banning or warning heat you only blocked his message.[/quote] Your next prejudice (!) attempt to make the XJ staff look bad by demonstrating people how unfair their judgements are? Thanks for making it even more obvious what you real intentions are about. Btw... heat made a joke about chrizZo is this blocked comment, stating that chrizZo was a nazi. He didn't insult you in his post if you think that, he "insulted" chrizZo (made a joke against him)... so he (or another admin?) decided that this should be blocked (but not warned) before people misunderstood his post (and start to flame chrizZo) - but wasn't offensive enough for a warning. So... I guess with that everything should be said from my side and it would be appreciated if we could go back to topic again. peace

kafds
27/12/2009 23:13:00

Nice faker, you've got balls. I like that. I like balls.

akM
27/12/2009 23:19:00

you guys have way to much spare time rofl

Nikša Jovanovic
27/12/2009 23:28:00

It is good that someone remembered to do this, because today so many players become boring. How to jump this?What to do? What you need to press? etc etc. Congratulations faker, for this wonderfull tutorial. [b]s1gh[/b] OK it has mistakes in the text, but you could just tell him "faker you have mistakes in the text, can you fix it or not? You can contact me if you want to fix it. I will help you." Remember that english and american people speak english course because it is their native language ... What about other people whose native language is not english.How they talk? Is it difficult for them to learn and adapt to the english language? Of course it is ... Have you ever tried to talk another language? It is difficult isn't it? Now imagine that someone attacks you!

s1gh
27/12/2009 23:32:00

I appreciate the apology and the gesture of self-warning. I find it unfortunate that your views of people in Germany affect you in such a way, and continue to blind you from the fact that other than being detrimental in my original post, I was not attempting to make you look bad. I also tried to explain this earlier, but a joke is a joke in the correct forum. Maybe for me, laughing at jokes like that is fine in a forum that contains stormzz alone or a different friend who I know and trust. This, unfortunately, was not a rightful forum in my mind. I don't believe that is hypocritical. About heat... I probably shouldn't have said that, you're right. But I'm sure you know heat and what heat is really like, so you surely understand what I imagined could have been in his message before being blocked. I still believe that if you want to perfect the tutorial, you should find someone willing to make appropriate changes to the English. I hope you understand that this is merely a criticism coming from a single member in your community who did not find the level of English suitable for the amount of time you have spent writing. I hope that isn't as hurtful a suggestion as my original comment.

kafds
27/12/2009 23:45:00

And peace is found.

NeMiQ22
27/12/2009 23:48:00

Hollywoodish happy end :D

Mews.
28/12/2009 00:21:00

Great job faker :)

SilverNinja mapper
28/12/2009 02:01:00

Witnessing this rivalry turned to friendship has brought a tear to my eye. It breaks my young heart.

preZ
28/12/2009 02:35:00

And peace is found x2 *to be continued* :O

kz[a] Hazard
28/12/2009 05:56:00

s1gh i havent given up. im constantly getting into shitty little fights where people cant realise how intellectually superior, and more well informed i am than themselves. (joking) thats the only way out ive seen so far, because every time i make a point, i seem to have 10 yes men disagreeing either in some wimpish attempt to save face, or just because they are ridiculous fan boys. now im labeled as an infamous flamer on the site, when really its not flaming im doing at all, but raising awareness of both how great i am, and how stupid everybody else is. (again joke) btw s1gh never needed to apologise, he was just calling it as he sees it. I feel the same way as he does, in that a more negative approach to the site grows over time when EVERY SINGLE TIME a point is brought up it gets drowned out by 10 people who don't thoroughly think it through. i get sick of seeing the same shit over and over again, and in some cases bitterness is mitigated - as i believe it was in this case. and its hard to convey/interpret tone through text, but whether or not s1ghs post embodied malicious intent is redundant. the fact is; the grammar wasn't great and it was necessary to point that out, but faker shouldnt have taken it personally and retaliated based on such pretense. cause tbh i get so sick of seeing something that is mediocre (no offence) and then like 100 people saying "GREAT JOB 10/10 YOU ARE THE BEST THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED EVER!!!!" sure it might be nice for them to hear it, but seriously it would be much better if everyone could say their real opinions so as to have a positive impact in the end (despite how petty and defensive the creator might get initially - im sure in the end they will grow to appreciate the criticism) - kind of like that teacher you had at school that kicked your ass all the time about shit you could improve. sure, you hated them as a person but as a teacher there is nobody better, and i think that should be kept in mind by the admins of this site. with the tones and attitudes used, i understand that people such as myself come across as arrogant and disrespectful, but it in no way is an indicator of intention. what im trying to say is that instead of everybody dismissing posts as flaming, maybe they could think harder and understand that its my (and i guess s1ghs [ i didnt want to include him incase he doesnt fit the profile ] way of showing that we care by attempting to bring about change) sure it might be a bit jaded and bitter, but it comes from the right place and i guess thats just who i am, and im willing to have a constant /!\ next to my name if thats what it takes to get my point across.

zzarecord holder Tournament #1 VIP
28/12/2009 07:12:00

I love you SilverNinja, no homo.

CoMMoN
28/12/2009 07:28:00

now im labeled as an infamous flamer on the site, when really its not flaming im doing at all, but raising awareness of both how great i am, and how stupid everybody else is. haha i lol`d :D :D """thats the only way out ive seen so far, because every time i make a point, i seem to have 10 yes men disagreeing either in some wimpish attempt to save face, or just because they are ridiculous fan boys.""" +1337 ! """sure it might be a bit jaded and bitter, but it comes from the right place and i guess thats just who i am, and im willing to have a constant /!\ next to my name if thats what it takes to get my point across. """ +1337 !!

dikroN
28/12/2009 09:18:00

well hazard... I've said my opinion but no one took care of it.

elvis.record holder
28/12/2009 11:51:00

lmao @ preZ

maximaLz
28/12/2009 12:09:00

I just can't understand how you guys can pounce on faker as soon as he is down, basically, this "war" was between s1gh and him, and then now, I can see like 5 to 6 peoples flaming him, just because he is in a bad position. s1gh you talked about the biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig community of XJ, the huge one, the wooooooow one ! Ok let's see your huge community. Full of idiots, kids, and stuff like this, that just can't do anything else than flame. If you want to talk about real life let's do it : Your friends are offering you a cake for christmas with, on it, written "happy christmas". If I follow you, the only thing you'll do is to throw it on the ground and shout that there is a problem, grammatical or whatever on it ? Well, you're some kind of psychological disturbed guy, maybe skyzophrenia, dunno. But, what I'm sure about you, is that you are just one more common people, you know, these people who do exactly the same and think the same. You're just one more sheep on this community. People like you ALWAYS see the worse, but never looks at what was done. Just look, faker and XJ staff have done a fucking great work there, it was meant to help people, it was maybe more a christmas gift to the community. Faker and the XJ crew did this for nothing. What about the professionalism, just pay them, then I'll agree with you on that point. Then come to the jew thing. You're just like a kid. You hit faker, you waited that he answers by something similar, and then, you just pounce off to the ground and like "omg look at what he said, he's bad, he's bad faker11!!1§1§1§§!!11" ffs dude, buy some balls, what are you doing there crying because someone with "admin" written under his avatar answered you. What's the point to do that ? And what so if he would have treatened u of dirty jew ? Everydays on XJ there are people like u who treat each other of every possible names, of arabs, jews, niggers.. Etc etc. You just get what you had to get. I just can't understand how humans can be with each other. Anyway Faker is someone like us all, he did a """"""racist"""""" joke (even if it wasnt, if you want i'll pm you a racist joke about jews, then you can say i was racist) and he get a warning, like everyone else, now you just should stop. You should get a warning too, for the way of how you act, and how you sought the fight, then just pounce off to the ground and say "haaa mama mama mama bad faker bad faker haaaa". Fucking sheep, fucking kid, this community won't change as we will still got idiots like u. Just grow up, and gl to faker. Oh and I forgot, you can flame me about sucking balls if you want, cuz that's what you will do first, flame. gj anyway for the guide.

simpler
28/12/2009 12:51:00

omg i thought it was over, maximalz sigh... that doesn't make anything better ._.

HI MOM
28/12/2009 13:05:00

pretty cool

maximaLz
28/12/2009 13:29:00

i didn't wanted to make the story going worse again lol, just my opinion about the situation and my statement about s1gh's comportement..

SchlumPF
28/12/2009 13:49:00

maximaLz, pls show me exactly when s1gh forced faker to do such jokes... maybe his tone looked very agressive to some of you but he never tried to tickle out these jew jokes. actually faker should just have said what he disliked about the points he made (-> grammer). he just could have asked for s1ghs help or w/e but it seems like he was just flaming in this deleted post of him because of his attitude towards s1gh. thats imho what made this conversation go in the wrong direction. otherwise ppl would just have flamed s1gh for his "bad" tone.

me4kata
28/12/2009 15:13:00

Thanks.It's amazing.Very Useful

cap1m;
28/12/2009 16:46:00

n1

mucholote
29/12/2009 03:32:00

Very nice tut, just one error I see in section [b]6 Doubleduck[/b] In the video description it says [blockquote]This video shows a recap of how the Prestrafe is done correctly. Thanks to saier.[/blockquote] It should be This video shows a recap of how the Doubleduck is done correctly. (or however you could write it). Pretty good stuff once again.

killahurtZ
29/12/2009 05:07:00

GREAT WORK FAKER ! :) Respect and Thanks a lot for this tutorial :)

Supa
29/12/2009 08:10:00

[code]Thanks to Numb for discovering this technique and documenting it in a forum thread. [/code] LOL!

zhady Tournament #2
29/12/2009 11:27:00

Nice work mayne!

zervE
29/12/2009 14:47:00

This is amazing, Good job, this is so impressive. You have just developed the whole community, amazing!

Fliborecord holder Tournament #2
29/12/2009 16:00:00

I agree with Supa, I personally have discovered slidebug long before that documentation. Attributing him for documenting it is fair though.

-=hunter=-
29/12/2009 16:58:00

GJ respect faker :)

sbzvln Tournament #2
29/12/2009 21:18:00

lol nice discussions here :) gj tho good info..

SchlumPF
29/12/2009 21:51:00

imo cj, eb and jb have real inventers. fof was the first successful performer of a mcj and slidebugs have been done before without giving it a special name, especially in surfing. im not sure about dd bugs but for me its more like a jb using a dd instead of jumping.

IrwinKZ
29/12/2009 22:03:00

good!

CoMMoN
30/12/2009 07:41:00

not really schlumpf .. you don`t hold duck in midair .. it`s very different :P

`ScraP Tournament #2
30/12/2009 12:55:00

just insane !

dikroN
30/12/2009 15:15:00

hi, I'm invisible.

ExboCooope
30/12/2009 15:38:00

Er.. It may be harder to read all the comments than reading the article... Anyway it's nice Do you know that in China we just call "Duckstandup bhop" as "Bounce hop"

MONKEN*
30/12/2009 17:11:00

High five, akM! didnt read the tutorial, dont care about it.. looked a bit at it, the english aint the best, but i suck at writing in english big time, so i dont got anything to say here t_T also didnt read all the long posts, waste of time ;d

akM
30/12/2009 18:41:00

thnx monken <3

яєsρєcт
30/12/2009 18:55:00

Funny how I got one week long ban for a "nigga" word (even if I stated it's a joke and apologized about that) while head admin is making a Jew jokes himself. I don't really care about it anymore, but I find it inappropriate.

NeMiQ22
30/12/2009 21:02:00

He was punished as well, what is he supposed to do? Suicide? He's is admin but human too so no wonder that this happened.

cap1m;
30/12/2009 22:09:00

damn.. stop that.. nice tutorial and what? enough

prof. chosen
31/12/2009 15:13:00

hahaa s1gh making moniez

- nympho -
01/01/2010 07:05:00

omfg why do you guys flame about one STUPID GAME so much ?!!?!

remake
01/01/2010 10:10:00

[blockquote]He was punished as well, what is he supposed to do? Suicide? He's is admin but human too so no wonder that this happened.[/blockquote] So for admins, racist jokes = a warning, but for users = ban? Even though I actually find these jewish jokes pretty funny, I don't think there should be any exceptions made for admins.

TRANZ3D
04/01/2010 18:04:00

BEST KZ MOVIE INTRO SONG -> LA GUITARRA <33 Good to see an EDM song in a KZ movie :D

perd0 mapper
06/01/2010 06:18:00

lulz at you, s1gh :)

ova
15/01/2010 21:29:00

[blockquote]omfg why do you guys flame about one STUPID GAME so much ?!!?![/blockquote] it is stupid isn't it, when my dad sees me play it he says im stupid and if i like to run with a knife just grab one and go outside and cut stuff (: