n0ztic: Perfecting Perfection - by Lazze

By ndR Tournament #2·
Ladies and Gentlemen good evening!
Would you bring your attention to me?
For a feast for your eyes to see.
An explosion of catastrophe!

Like nothing you've ever seen before,
watch closely as I open this door.
Your jaws will be on the floor,
After this you'll be begging for more...

Lazze's latest production is mind blowing, and the previous lyrics were perfect to sum it up.
Lazze "successfully succeeded" to make a powerful movie easily understandable thanks to the slowmotion campaths he used as pauses. n0ztic's tricks are well highlighted as you're going to see...



Enjoy the watch.

own3d.tv Link
Youtube Link
Lazze's Youtube channel

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ndR Tournament #2
18/10/2010 20:37:00

GJ once again :)

ih | Soad!
18/10/2010 20:38:00

gj lazze and noztic!

cLeen1k
18/10/2010 20:39:00

gj i liked it 5/5 ! nice movie :)

A3TIUS
18/10/2010 20:43:00

[i]Awesome :D[/i]

kyser
18/10/2010 20:43:00

damn, only stream links? :s i wanna download it :s

Dubsteprecord holder
18/10/2010 20:44:00

4/5

ndR Tournament #2
18/10/2010 20:45:00

Send a PM to Lazze for the download link kyser.

2006
18/10/2010 20:45:00

sweet movie ;)

Lazze
18/10/2010 20:47:00

Download link is in the description of the movie on my youtube channel ;)

Obsidiaen
18/10/2010 20:47:00

loved the entire movie, but there was some error with own3dtv, had to see it in youtube :o 5/5 Note: on youtube [i]"A trickjump move starring"[/i] , probably movie no? :o ANYHOW , n0ztic proved once again that there are still a lot of trickjumps to be made in de_ maps :). <3'd it

kyser
18/10/2010 20:49:00

thanks lazze and ndr

memekrecord holder
18/10/2010 20:49:00

nice 3D text, super music, good job! Lazze, your best project!

ish0
18/10/2010 20:51:00

Good job, both!

Shady`
18/10/2010 20:53:00

amazing!!

freezie
18/10/2010 20:56:00

OMFG awesome edit

speede der boss
18/10/2010 20:59:00

lol epic tricks noztic.. awesome edit lazze

theddy
18/10/2010 20:59:00

Gj both,pretty stylish edit and jumps.I love it.I disliked only the 3d text in the beginning,kinda looked ugly for me.Still pretty good job :)

k a f f e e
18/10/2010 21:01:00

sweet movie, i rly loved the colours you made.. quite fresh and still very good lookin. thats not easy to maintain nowadays the 2 mainpart tracks are awesome, to combine them like this might be not the best choice tho. kinda messes up the style alot, i personally think paramore rather fits this editing style besides.. well the trickjumps were not that great, i think there were like 2-3 cool jumps, a bunch of decent combos and some randy/old stuff. gj everyone, enjoyable work there

y i r i
18/10/2010 21:05:00

random...

SUBWAYZ
18/10/2010 21:05:00

The jumps weren't new and not really challenging. Anyway I like that kind of jumps. In ex. multi-countjump jump with scout is easy since i've been trying to combo it with CJ to the other fence with knife. Some jumps were also pretty random. Anyway great job with editing and nice to see trickjumps from you n0ztic!!

AquilaeN
18/10/2010 21:08:00

Suddenly the movie was over :( I want more of that cake! Srsly, goodjob on editing and ofc the jumping, damn nice!

PepoMerca
18/10/2010 21:08:00

perfection

Charly.0s
18/10/2010 21:10:00

gj both, n1 edit :D

kyser
18/10/2010 21:16:00

wow, really cool movie. the intro and the outro were fantastic, very good looking. it wanst dark, that is very nice in a movie, the colours were very good used. i didnt like the music at all, but both tracks were perfect combined with the tricks. and the tricks were good some of them, others boring and maybe ez. 4/5 , great job both! ;)

efonaz
18/10/2010 21:26:00

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gen4y
18/10/2010 21:32:00

enjoyable edit ,terrible music and really easy jumps.

pLaguE^
18/10/2010 21:32:00

[blockquote]efonaz do not leik das shyt, sori, dunt liek teh song, dunt liek das edit, but i thinks dat jumps not bad imo. it was not bad, bat itz your staile so.. (sory for meh bad english)[/blockquote] thats quote of the week material

TomS
18/10/2010 21:33:00

own3d is very lag :( gj

DiDo-Grecord holder
18/10/2010 21:34:00

mm freshly!

zzarecord holder Tournament #1 VIP
18/10/2010 21:36:00

[blockquote]efonaz do not leik das shyt, sori, dunt liek teh song, dunt liek das edit, but i thinks dat jumps not bad imo. it was not bad, bat itz your staile so.. (sory for meh bad english)[/blockquote] LOL, WTF?!

S7R1K3R
18/10/2010 21:36:00

GJ

jack frog
18/10/2010 21:37:00

Didn't really enjoy the movie to be honest. I like the colors and atmosphere you gave to it. Sometimes it's a little bit too dark though. At some points I have the feeling that the editing is more important than the actual jumps and sometimes I can't even follow them. The inferno jump at 1:33 for example, you chopped that up too much. That's a bit of general in the movie I think: either they are too fast or you just show certain parts of the tricks. I like that slowmotion-speed-slowmotion effect at 0:46 though, that looks pretty cool. I still don't like that 3D typography. Music is not my taste. Lol, sorry to be so harsh but I think this movie has good potential but needs to be more "perfected". 3/5

kaynerecord holder
18/10/2010 21:42:00

got headache from the music, thx gj on the rest

-F/m'Z- scR`
18/10/2010 21:43:00

lol I could freestyle better, than your 8 bars :S

t-DcD
18/10/2010 21:50:00

Nice nice movie ! joyable

Dilap
18/10/2010 21:55:00

nice movie, exellent edit. 10\10 jumps really easy, likes 0.48 i did with m4a1, but its reallly doing with awp, and noztic done with scout...

Speedz0r VIP
18/10/2010 22:23:00

Why is it so hard to post this download link? http://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kreedz.dk%2Fmovies%2Flazze%2Fn0ztic_-_Perfecting_Perfection.rar&session_token=Wft-QPQw9wQ0qXg9cHU_5CIsh7t8MTI4NzUxOTY2MA%3D%3D Enjoyed it, great edit, some cool jumps, ok music.

Dacca
18/10/2010 22:24:00

couldn't enjoy the movie because of the music. there were 2-3 pretty cool TJs though.

Spogi
18/10/2010 22:42:00

god damn epic edit : DD but jumps werent hard, only few of them were nice/new 6/10 jumps 10/10 edit gj both

nobody^
18/10/2010 22:46:00

Really a great movie! But the only thing I didint like... the songs :S Oh, who cares.. nice tricks n0ztic and ofc great edit lazze :)

cyril
18/10/2010 22:48:00

edit 10/10 jumps 10/10

Scary Tournament #2
18/10/2010 22:49:00

I enjoyed gen4ys avatar a bit more... Pretty random stuff imo. Making a KZ movie is just as much about finding new/expanding jumps than doing old jumps with bigger weaps. I don't know how hard they were... Sorry about it.

n0ztic
18/10/2010 23:11:00

Some of the jumps might not be extreme, but they are not easy or they might look easy because I don't use 1000 strafes. The most important thing is to entertain! and you have forgotten that! I can watch a movie with so-so jumps and a decent edit and enjoy it. it doesn't have to be megaultrasuperduperhard jumps. and about them being old; I have never seen any of these jumps before. Maybe jumps like 1:24, 1:52, 2:30, 3:03 have been done before, but jumps like 1:05, 1:38, 2:16 and 2:34 are completely new. AND if you don't think they are creative and entertaining, I am going to stop recording demos immediately, because then the kreedz movie community has forgotten the meaning/point of movies. peace out

akkord mapper
18/10/2010 23:16:00

not so impressed, and I thought the colors were way too dark, and for my taste too many music transitions for a 3minute long video.

Ovidiu Dumitru
18/10/2010 23:35:00

Kreedz filmmakers need to step up. Forget what you did, forget in what you believe, forget everything. Take a look at what the CS (or other games) filmmaking scene has to offer (from the real filmmaking masters). It's really getting repetitive what you guys are doing. I hope you won't take this personal, because I respect your work, both filmmakers and jumpers. I know it's not easy to create a film, so, respect for that.

Lazze
19/10/2010 00:17:00

And there is a reason for it. The kreedz scene is really small in front of many other games/scenes. You can't expect the moviemaking level to get any higher in near future. We are very inexperienced compared to many others. Kreedz is not where you stay when you are good enough, you move to another game, or start making normal cs movies. There are multiple examples of that.

FLP
19/10/2010 00:18:00

jumps 2.5/5 some nice jumps but other jumps fucked up everything, I am realy booring of those brian style jumps,it was good ones but now is just annoying edit 3.5/5 in some points colors were too dark and edit was too fast music 3/5 as akkord sad too many transitions,but nice songs imo gj for effort

R0bAFraG
19/10/2010 00:25:00

nice movie gj n0ztic and Lazze:P

Ovidiu Dumitru
19/10/2010 00:39:00

So are you saying that being a part in a smaller scene is an excuse to create less entertaining movies ? A filmmaker is a filmmaker. It doesn't matter in what scene is operating. Who keeps you away from growing your skill as an individual ? I'm sure it's not the scene. But if you say it's a problem of experience, I totally understand. I understand that you are less experienced than other big filmmakers. But don't blame it on the scene, it's pathetic. What I'm saying is that it's about you and what you can do. It's not about the scene or how big or small it is. A filmmaker is a filmmaker. He has his own skill no matter in what scene he is working.

jack frog
19/10/2010 00:58:00

Have you got examples of these movies from real moviemaking masters?

Lazze
19/10/2010 01:00:00

It's totally viable to blame the scene. Films made in Hollywood is better than films made by some private organisation. Maybe not story-wise, but effect wise. They have more money and fame, witch gives them the clear advantage. It's a fact. Again, the kreedz scene is "new" compared to the normal cs scene. Moviemakers over there have much more experience than we have. I agree that a filmmaker is a filmmaker, and its not necessarily the scene that should be entirely blamed, but kreedz IS a minority compared to many others scenes, and that is a fact too. You need to give it time. Don't expect any so-called "entertaining" kreedz movies in near future. It's just not going to happend unless something drastically comes up.

FLP
19/10/2010 01:08:00

After I download it I got better colors and now edit is much better 4.5/5 ''Don't expect any so-called "entertaining" kreedz movies in near future. It's just not going to happend unless something drastically comes up.,, I must disagree with you Lazze Cloudy night was perfect.

Ovidiu Dumitru
19/10/2010 01:34:00

But why to blame and not to learn ? Hollywood is not a mark for perfection. Even there you can find movies that are not even worth to be releaed. It's not like the other scenes have only big filmmakers. Even there you find some (2,3,5,10) but not all. Same here, in kz scene. I don't expect from every guy that edits something in vegas to release a piece of art. But I do expect to see from some guys some evolved creations. And you are right. The kreedz scene is new compared to the normal cs scene, but editing/filmmaking isn't. I don't think you can be affected by the scene itself when you are editing. Of course, there can be a mental boundary, like "well, I'm working in a smaller scene and I don't think my movies will have the success the movies from cs scene have". But this thing shouldn't hold you from perfecting yourself. Nobody says that you are stuck here in this scene, so there is absolutely no reason why you can't compete with the heads of filmmaking. You can. You can learn and you can adapt.

juhx
19/10/2010 04:20:00

hahaha noztic ez style, de_cbble ddcj with scout lol, famas poss... :)) and others with scout, p.s movie enjoyable.

dex7eR`
19/10/2010 05:54:00

paramore was out of theme... rest was awesome, gj

CoMMoN
19/10/2010 06:02:00

Lazze you must understand that CyclopP is right, this "POWERFUL" style of moviemaking is really getting boring and annoying. To add more to it, the tricks weren`t hard at all, making the "powerful" style edit choice of your movie, ridicolous .. but that`s not the point, the main point is that this style has been done to death, it lost all it`s style, it has no originality what-so-ever. you didn`t actually "create" this movie, that can`t be said anymore, you just copied a series of endless weak, non-stylish editing and added different trick jumps. It may sound harsh to you but it`s the truth. + EVERYTHING CyclopP said.

Nannou
19/10/2010 06:22:00

Very stylish, good atmosphere, jumps okay, agree with akkord about transitions of music. [b]9.18/10[/b]

n0ztic
19/10/2010 07:26:00

"hahaha noztic ez style, de_cbble ddcj with scout lol, famas poss... ) and others with scout, p.s movie enjoyable." well, my problem is that I am extremely creative, but I don't have the ability to perform. And both scout jumps on inferno are impossible with knife because of the prestrafes, I spent 8 hours on the one with all the twists. "A filmmaker is a filmmaker. He has his own skill no matter in what scene he is working." that is NOT true. I am getting my mastersdegree in movie history, music videos and documentary, and I can say that I am very good at making documentaries, but when I try to make a commercial, short film, "hollywood film" or anything like that, I fail. Hell, even kz movies! When it comes to cs, you have to adapt to a different scene, I agree, but nowadays, people don't like the movies simply because they contain something other than dubstep and dnb (like paramore). When editors try to shake things up, they get pulled down by critisism and tend to stick to dubstep and stuff instead. I think editors should be credited for trying to do something different, like stuff_x and nubz always have done.

A3TIUS
19/10/2010 09:45:00

[i]I would just like to point out a few things: 1. Demos/ Tricks: According to my opinion, it's pretty tough to come up with new tricks in the regular de_ maps. These maps are mainly built for shooting and not for kreedzing. Nevertheless, legendary and retired kreedzers have put in their effort and creativity to exploit all possible jumps in these maps. So, for recent trick-jumpers it really becomes tough to top what their predecessors did. At max, what they can do is do the same jump with a new style or a heavier weapon. But in both cases it is criticized as [b]old[/b]. Another criticism these days, when a relatively new trick is discovered, is that it is termed as [b]random[/b] and [b]easy[/b]. But what most people fail to understand is that even daring to include tricks in de_ maps is an accomplishment in itself. Besides if the tricks were easy and random, why on earth, the people who say so, didn't come up with such tricks in their own movies ?? All I want to say is that, criticism such as old, easy and random fits more if the tricks are on kz maps, since there is a vast scope of creativity and demonstration of skills, but when it comes to regular de_ maps, I think people should be more understanding and supportive. 2. I dont agree that the dedicated kz movie-makers are any less talented or experienced than the mainstream cs movie-makers. Even if they are not better, at least they are not less. Also, I dont support blaming everything on the "scene" cuz I believe there is way more scope of creativity in the kz scene than in the mainstream cs scenario. There are hundreds of movies released in Hollywood each year and only a few of them turn out to be blockbusters. It may be because of their publicity, may be because of their star-cast, may be because of the storyline or may be because of their editing. you never know which one of the above factors click to make it a hit. Its totally random and dependent on luck. But in no way it means that the other movies released in the same year are less creative or not at par as far as editing is concerned. The same goes with this movie. It might not be a major revolutionary movie as per some of the people, but in no way it is inferior to any of the other front page movies of XJ. It has its own style and own enigma. It might not be "art" according to some but it might be for some others. Tastes differ and so do styles... @ Lazze Everyone has a different perception of a movie. Keeping that in mind, its a humble suggestion that you continue to work hard and come up with even better movies. Hope to see you come up with a movie in near future where every single comment is filled with praises. @ n0ztic I think I said enough in the first para itself. So dont pay much attention to "random, easy and old" remarks and keep working on your creativity and make a comeback with even better tricks. Good luck to both of you :)[/i]

Lazze
19/10/2010 09:58:00

I'm not blaming the scene at all. I'm just asking you guys to find a better reason for the in-experience of kz moviemakers. I totally agree that everyone can learn and adapt, and evolve their capabilities, but you must know, that editing a kz movie is way different than editing something like a normal shooting movie. And yes, this "powerful" editing style is getting boring and dull. Thats the reason I made the hard transition from "powerful" to "calm" in this movie. It's a message to people: Stop repeating yourselves. It might seem like I blame the scene to protect myself. But really, I already said we are in-experienced, and I'm not better than anyone else. Saying that the scene has no reason at all for this, is totally wrong. Give me a better reason. At last, I would like to say that the kz scene does have some amazing moviemakers, who keep upping the level of movies. One day, I'm sure we can compete with all the other high-tier filmmakers, but it needs time.

k a f f e e
19/10/2010 10:17:00

kreedz scene > normal cs scene. the ammount of random/ugly videos released is alot bigger in the cs shooting scene... 3 or 4 times a year you' find a good movie although the scene is like 5 times as big.. srsly there is nothing to hide from, normal cs moviemaking sucks alot more, we have/had more original/interesting moviemakers for a long time. also "hollywood is not a mark of perfection" might be a good quote, i personally hate "hollywood-cs-movies". cs is a first-person-shooter, a shooter in which we use the engine to jump around and we are happy if we made it over a gap. in hollywood terminator is fighting against the gremlins, saves a overpayed actress so they can make many cyborgbabys and rides through the time to kill john conner. the difference should be quite obvious, other content, other purposes & therefore completly other editing aswell. a kz movie is maybe comparable to a skatevideo or a sports commercial up to some point: which are like 90% less edited than cs movies. the only thing sometimes combined with this kinda footage is motiondesign, something i have rarly seen in cs yet and that's the only thing you might consider including imo

Nukk
19/10/2010 10:30:00

easy tj's imo and perfect edit ;]

SUBWAYZ
19/10/2010 10:37:00

@n0ztic "hahaha noztic ez style, de_cbble ddcj with scout lol, famas poss... ) and others with scout, p.s movie enjoyable." well, my problem is that I am extremely creative, but I don't have the ability to perform. And both scout jumps on inferno are impossible with knife because of the prestrafes, I spent 8 hours on the one with all the twists." Why it is so hard to take feedback other than "OMG YOU PWN PRO?" the cbble mcj IS easy, Taking negative feedback without attacking feedbacker would be cool.

sPADERâ™ 
19/10/2010 10:47:00

gj guys i liked it alot! 5/5

craigM
19/10/2010 10:51:00

Seriously, I'm tired of seeing movies being released and see the word 'campath'. I'm not a moviemaker, I don't know what this is.. /:

Lazze
19/10/2010 10:53:00

It's the 3rd person camera movements you see in-between the jumps ;)

Scary Tournament #2
19/10/2010 11:01:00

Okay guys, I had to rewatch the movie after reading this debate, and I changed my mind a bit. I'm still annoyed on this movie, and it's mainly because of the edit, it switches from being too dark and too light. Seems like there's no "theme" at all, it's too random for my taste. And I don't buy into that statement thing to make moviemakers stop repeating themselves by using 50 % of the movie repeating a repetetive and "over-raped" style. Some of the jumps were too fast overwith, some of them were hard to see. It's a bit sad especially because I actually think that there's potential in the jumps. Especially the twisted ones, they were really creative and I when noztic says he used 8 hours landing them, I think they should have had more focus, like slowmo outside view - but that's not for me to decide ofcourse. What I'm trying to say is that overall I really think you should limit yourself to one theme instead of trying too much. One of the best thing you can do as a creative person is to limit yourself as much as possible, also one of the hardest. Stick with your theme and eliminate/change every little nuisance. In the end you'll have a product that's complete. That would definitely be my advice. I know you'll stand up for your work and defend it, but instead you should think about that all these people have spend time writing their critique. Think of it as a positive thing, one of the hardest things to get in real life is a completely objective opinion, here's mine.

Lazze
19/10/2010 11:56:00

I appreciate your criticism, and no, I won't stand up and defend my work, because you are totally right. It's better to stick with one theme instead of messing around with it. But sometimes, the unexpected is just as good as something you might have had in mind. I tried to do the movie like this, mainly because it properly would be my last movie with this "powerful" style. The transition between "powerful" and "calm" would be my way to say: "I was doing that, now I'm doing this instead". I learn from my work, and I won't even try to defend myself in any way. On another note, the talk about who to blame in this discussion won't ever stop. Until someone comes up with a proof or a convincing answer, no-one wins. Give it time, see the results.

actepukc^
19/10/2010 12:03:00

nice work guys .. nice :)

jusuuh
19/10/2010 12:21:00

shortly - only good song was decode for me - good colors - 3-4 good jumps i likez - few new (hah like that prodigy p90, wasnt enough good for chrome the movie, did that like year ago XD) - but when you have awp in your hand it can't be good trick imo - some random -overall jumps 5/10 -edit 8/10 = 6.5/10 good job guys :)

Scary Tournament #2
19/10/2010 12:39:00

Respect Lazze! There's no doubt that you have a lot of potential as a moviemaker. Can't wait to see more from you. Skål!

n0ztic
19/10/2010 13:35:00

"why it is so hard to take feedback other than "OMG YOU PWN PRO?" the cbble mcj IS easy, Taking negative feedback without attacking feedbacker would be cool." it's not hard to take bad feedback, and I am not attacking him, I only explained that I'm not the best jumper in the world, but I want to be credited for my creativity because that's one thing I am good at. and I know that trick is easy, but I thought it looked cool.

geddyK
19/10/2010 14:00:00

[i]"Ladies and Gentlemen good evening! Would you bring your attention to me? For a feast for your eyes to see. An explosion of catastrophe! Like nothing you've ever seen before, watch closely as I open this door. Your jaws will be on the floor, After this you'll be begging for more..."[/i] It says all! Nothing more to say, just peace out. <3 you as much as I can!

scmb
19/10/2010 14:04:00

i expected more from noztic

Dragon
19/10/2010 14:05:00

I liked the edit and the jumps, although the music was really terrible esp. the 1st song, and please no more poems :((((

CoMMoN
19/10/2010 14:39:00

probably because he can`t deal with the truth subwayz, or maybe because he is a kid. Lazze, good luck with the calm edit style, because that`s the real kz feeling :) chillin` game. + chillin` edit can only be godlike, not to mention the beauty and style of the calm kz movies .. pure view pleasure.

n0ztic
19/10/2010 15:54:00

CoMMoN, what the hell was that irrational comment? I just wrote what I think about bad critisism, and if you had read what I wrote before, you would have known that I am taking my mastersdegree, which means that I am 21 years old. So get your facts straight before you accuse someone of being something.

kREWAN
19/10/2010 16:20:00

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Lazze
19/10/2010 16:22:00

That's sick constructive criticism right there kREWAN. Thumbs up.

CoMMoN
19/10/2010 17:22:00

the simple fact that you took my message like this makes me have no comment what-so-ever right now, so just forget about it and go enjoy replies like "omfg wow impossible jumps wowowowow gj wowowowow" cause HEY ! bad critisism doesn`t say anything about how good you are .. right ? it just says real things that you don`t want to hear. so why want it .. right ? you know it. and don`t bother to answer to this cause i really don`t care.

dx^
19/10/2010 18:32:00

niceee!! crepusculo song <33!

n0ztic
19/10/2010 18:37:00

you're too stupid to get it.. it's CoMMoN sense

Ackn_
19/10/2010 19:36:00

nice movie

GeRcHo
19/10/2010 19:37:00

gj noztic!

CoMMoN
19/10/2010 20:09:00

we are all stupid n0ztic, some more than others.

Moderna
19/10/2010 20:19:00

Jumps dosent matter. Great movie ! (last movie ?) [b]Gj[/b] :)

n0ztic
19/10/2010 20:39:00

kduuh, "the end" was supposed to be my last movie because I didn't think I would get time to record and stuff. But now I see that I have some time in between to record :-) but I won't be as active as before. thank you btw

Xavi Tournament #1
19/10/2010 20:52:00

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SUBWAYZ
19/10/2010 22:06:00

" you would have known that I am taking my mastersdegree, which means that I am 21 years old" n0ztic you say your education and age fully sets your actions and smartness? Putting yourself above others like that is not smart at all. Pretty damn bad arguments up there in my opinion. Also your movie being on frontpage doesn't mean you [b]have [/b]be credited about creativeness or what so ever. Every person is still allowed to disagree about it.

kuce'
19/10/2010 22:18:00

noztic what a legend and i love the edit the colors are sick JUMP pretty new for original maps

n0ztic
19/10/2010 22:35:00

you are just twisting and turning everything I say as you want it, subwayz. I referred to my earlier comment about my education to point out that I was not a kid, not how smart I am. btw, I agree, people can disagree, ofcourse.

JekkT
20/10/2010 04:59:00

3/10 ugly close-up campaths ugly colors music switch?!!? overused song (the paramore one was used 2 years ago) ugly intro particles outro was kinda cool +1 because i liked the inferno jump

jarski
21/10/2010 13:52:00

It felt like you were too bored to finish the movie. It just ended and at first I didn't even realise it. Some of the jumps were great but most of them was just random and boring. Not front-page stuff imo.

tarGet
25/10/2010 12:11:00

this movie sux imo !! :no: