Demo Talk #3

By Vee mapper VIP·



Good evening, jumpers!

Here we come with another edition of the series that enlightens you a bit about the demo world, recording, longjumping and everything related to them.
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insen mapper
05/02/2011 03:02:00

Wall Fast Run: You're Doing It Wrong! thats why /speed aint allowed would be too easy ;) i mean everyone with a brain should have noticed it. i prefer running with w and smashing a strafe button its safer than wall running [b]Edit by Vee:[/b] Indeed, haha. But the thing is, practice makes perfect! Just as we used speed plugins to train our LJ pres in the past, one could easily use it to train fast run.

akse
05/02/2011 04:37:00

niiiiice

Kangaroo
05/02/2011 05:29:00

gj vee.. maybe instead of saying 'demo is cheated' you should say 'demo violates rules' or something similar... the first thing that came to my mind when i saw 'cheated' was indeed 'hax' :P [b]Edit by Vee:[/b] The main problem here is that the demo is in fact cheated. When you violate the rules, you are cheating. But, as you said yourself, maybe the concept was misunderstood when I used it, so I just put it there like "this is what it means, guys".

PU9makerrecord holder
05/02/2011 06:33:00

there is no time to check every miliseconds of lj demo.. i believe there are people who are willing to do it.. [b]Edit by Vee:[/b] I am one of them! However, we are developing new, better ways to check for cheaters, which will hopefully help us in the near future.

kielorz
05/02/2011 07:16:00

But I guess they are not in XJ crew even if they are willing hard.. Really nice thing about tuesday and thursday release, liked it most. Again I vote for dividing "cheating" itself (like when you use some progs/plugins to help you) and "other reasons". I'd like if you write the actual reason e.g. "slowmo" or "using movable objects before timer start" and not just "demo is cheated". The last one makes you guess what happened. [b]Edit by Vee:[/b] Thanks for the feedback. As previously stated, the cheated demos stay the way they are, it is just a warning that people shouldn't take "cheating" as using illegal software/scripts [i]only[/i].

2Dex Tournament #2
05/02/2011 08:07:00

Good job Vee,nice to see such care from someone.Keep the good work!

actepukc^
05/02/2011 08:27:00

great job Vee :)

kaynerecord holder
05/02/2011 08:47:00

haha wallrun....! :(

FLP
05/02/2011 09:43:00

I understand that lj checking takes a lot of time,but man last lj release was 8 months ago...

ndR moviemaker Tournament #2
05/02/2011 09:45:00

The matter is that we are not willing to trust new people and giving out our anti-cheat tools like this, no matter how famous is the person in the community. Even the other admins don't have access to the anti-cheat tools. We learnt our lesson since kayne leaked FPS Death. I often got suggested to recruit people who take care of kz-unique LJ releases, the problem is that the only thing they have is the leaked FPS-Death admin version, and not the other anti-cheat tools: it must not take more than 5min to check a LJ demo like this, but you can't detect all the cheats. I hope you understand a bit better now.

Ggs`
05/02/2011 10:01:00

agree with ndR, and thanks to Vee for this topic.

Berkut Tournament #2
05/02/2011 10:43:00

[blockquote]I often got suggested to recruit people who take care of kz-unique LJ releases, the problem is that the only thing they have is the leaked FPS-Death admin version, and not the other anti-cheat tools: it must not take more than 5min to check a LJ demo like this, but you can't detect all the cheats.[/blockquote] We don't use only fps death, we've got our private tools as well.

dexxies
05/02/2011 10:58:00

ndR- not only that, but uq also don't have the tool to calculate the exact distance of the jump, for exmaple awaY'a plugin showed 257.XX stats and the uq democheckers automaticlally typed that distance in the LJ top, but as we all know the real dist. is 256.219 [?]. But yeah, I think the LJ releases should take abit shorter time than they are taking now. ;) ;)

nobody^
05/02/2011 11:02:00

I've learnt some new stuff today. ;)

Berkut Tournament #2
05/02/2011 11:15:00

[blockquote]uq also don't have the tool to calculate the exact distance of the jump, for exmaple awaY'a plugin showed 257.XX stats and the uq democheckers automaticlally typed that distance in the LJ top, but as we all know the real dist. is 256.219 [?].[/blockquote] We do calculate real distance actually every release for at least 6 months already, but at the time awaY's demo was accepted we had been just copiing it from the plugin. Still it haven't been corrected

qfiman*
05/02/2011 11:36:00

great job there again. vee! =)

dexxies
05/02/2011 11:42:00

Oh, then sorry Adan ;)

wils
05/02/2011 12:16:00

Well written Vee. Is there anybody out there more than me who started to think about NFS as soon you read. " As a curiosity, I have checked some of the well known cheaters' demos around the communities " Cheers guys! [b]Edit by Vee:[/b] ;)

kielorz
05/02/2011 12:23:00

[blockquote]we are not willing to trust new people[/blockquote] That's why there are no lj releases here at XJ.

dexxies
05/02/2011 12:24:00

wils- that's exactly what I was thinking about at that moment.

jack frog
05/02/2011 14:48:00

[quote]The matter is that we are not willing to trust new people and giving out our anti-cheat tools like this, no matter how famous is the person in the community. […][/quote] So you won't trust any new people until the day all trusted people quit the scene and then the LJ releases will die? lol, k.

Vee mapper VIP
05/02/2011 15:27:00

[flag]fr[/flag] [b]ndR[/b] means the current people are able to handle the releases. As I said, we are making better tools so we don't need to spend over an hour in a single demo. Last line explains it, we'll get it done!

jigsaw
05/02/2011 16:10:00

if you will create new checking system and will check all demos, mb it will be possible to return top50 ljs and top20 other techniques? p.s. gj vee!! [b]Edit by Vee:[/b] That's not the only reason why the top changed, there are quite a few of them. Thanks!

PepoMerca
05/02/2011 16:23:00

lj sucks :P

jigsaw
05/02/2011 16:45:00

[blockquote]Edit by Vee: That's not the only reason why the top changed, there are quite a few of them. Thanks![/blockquote] for example? [b]Edit by Vee:[/b] For one, it was hard to maintain a top with a lot of jumps.

kielorz
05/02/2011 17:46:00

Question to Vee & eDark: how is it going with openDemo? I expected to see some updates about a month ago. Closed? [b]Edit by Punk^:[/b] Due to lack of time, the project is on hold.

insen mapper
05/02/2011 18:35:00

[blockquote]Just as we used speed plugins to train our LJ pres in the past, one could easily use it to train fast run.[/blockquote] i never used speed plugins to increase my lj skills i mean you cant really react that fast to notice a difference between 274 units/sec and higher my prestrafe was always golden even without lj plugins haha :D but i've got a question here. dont wanna read rules so i may ask here. aint it forbidden to use ljstats? i mean the whole shit that is showing you everything about your jump? its forbidden @ cg you can only use ljstats for showing you the distance but not more. seems that its allowed @ xj or? since i saw a demo with ljstats some time ago greetings [b]Edit by Vee:[/b] Anything that helps you on doing your jump is forbidden. However, since ljstats is shown after you jump, there's no problem at all. Most players disable it because they find it distracting.

kunqui
05/02/2011 21:04:00

I can't understand what's the matter of post "a long text" about wallrun if everybody know it.. I mean you can see it also on the kreedz tutorial that was maked around 2 years ago.. I know you're a newbie here but It's so old.. About The Concept of Cheating Kangaroo said it and there's nothing you can add to. [b]Edit by Vee:[/b] What seems obvious to you may not be so obvious to other people. You're saying everyone knows how to fast run on walls, whereas the news state clearly that people are currently doing it wrong under the [b]Curiosities[/b] section. Are you paying attention to the text, at all? If you don't find the text informative, just keep quiet. As you can see from the above comments, a lot of people found it interesting to read. You're trolling the wrong person, [flag]ar[/flag] [b]kunqui[/b].

VErzuZ
05/02/2011 21:54:00

So NFS cheats?

Soulja-
05/02/2011 22:11:00

Really readable and enjoyed it much. Good job.

kunqui
05/02/2011 22:27:00

Faker put all his effort on make that kreedz tutorial to take care, don't you think?.. It's really obvious for everybody that can read and know what a forum is. The first thing that newcommers should do are "read the rules and if they want to get information about the kz world watch the kreedz tutorial.." Keep quiet? Omg that line make you completly wrong, if I've something to say.. I just do it.. I don't shut my mouth because I care about this community, I want to colaborate on everything and if I find your post senseless I'm able to say it because there's nothing wrong on my post. This thing of "Demo talk" started on a good way and now it's fucked up, If you don't know what to talk about just try to find any person that could have better information. Maybe my post look a bit troll. But If I don't let you know this, you'll keep doin it wrong.. (Like delete my comments and don't let me know it).. btw "the wrong person"? I don't get it. [b]Edit by Vee:[/b] Thanks for your comment, criticism is always welcome.

musaka
06/02/2011 10:21:00

top 10 is enough imo nicely written Vee

n00[gg]EeRr
09/02/2011 15:50:00

"I'm sorry for those who are fans of them, but I'm afraid I have bad news for you." Is that including fof, freestyler and rr? If not, go check dems again