DemoRules updated!

By ernstaugust·
hello jumpers,

we decided to change the "Average fps" on our Demorules.
The new average fps of your record demo must be at least 85 fps.

Every Demo, which contains a fps rate less than 85, will be deleted.
The following demos are affected:
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  • kz_exn_ezjungle by eme (73.06 fps)

  • kz_px_eaglecliff by eme (74.85 fps)

  • sn_boxedout by HoHo^ (77.00 fps)

  • kz_cornsilo by kekse (78.41 fps)

  • kz_waterfalls by scary (79.71 fps)

  • rd_jump_house by scary (80.05 fps)

  • px_pharoah by SilveR (81.44 fps)

  • sn_beachcliff by DHT- (81.55 fps)

  • kz_winterdust by FuzZerd (82.16 fps)

  • kz_dm_dedication911_e by FikoN (82.34 fps)

  • kz_man_castle by kimo (82.65 fps)

  • kz_greenplanet by eme (83.00 fps)

  • kz_6fd_volcano by Academia (83.41 fps)

  • kz_nolve by eme (83.79 fps)

  • kz_civilizations by HoHo^ (83.83 fps)

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Update*

A new rule has been added to the demo rules.

"You may not use methods to gain a higher fps rate before you have pushed the start button, and after you have pushed the end button."

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21/01/2006 16:21:00

So what heppens with the record? Will you check the previous record until you find one that is over 85 in fps??

kz_Academia_ARG
21/01/2006 16:23:00

I haven't got a good pc for this fps! Fuck

21/01/2006 16:30:00

bad rule all that demos were nice but well... yesteday there was some arguings and I think FiKoN decided that, :( bad luck to ppl who can't get more than 85, and there will be maps that no-one can do, cuz 85 is quite good but well.. its done

21/01/2006 16:41:00

2bad 4 u all that lost ur demos. but new rules is better I think...

21/01/2006 16:42:00

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad rule , for wath u want 4132432 fps ? some players play hours or maybe days and now this rule ? .. look "eme" 5 demos yesterday now he have 1

21/01/2006 16:43:00

hard rule some maps r to big to get so many fps but well my pc can do it^^

21/01/2006 16:45:00

ur pc ... but 4 others is impossible .. fikon can u buy computers 4 all ? :) cmon ^^ u are a good guy =)

21/01/2006 16:47:00

it's not fikon's decision. we decided to change the rate, cause we wanna have the same basics for recording demos for every jumper.

FikoN
21/01/2006 16:51:00

This is a decision by all the head admins. 2 actually agreed to 90 so shut ur mouth and be glad that we only made it to 85. My computer sucks too, and look ONE OF MY DEMOS WAS REMOVED TOO. So stop flaming me you immature 6 year old.

21/01/2006 16:51:00

"ONE OF MY DEMOS WAS REMOVED TOO" , one .. 4 some people is bad :S .. look eme .. 4 demos .. :S and u know ... i dont know WHY u take the decision.. is good yea better look.. but WHY

FikoN
21/01/2006 16:52:00

The reason is simple. I want all jumpers to compete under the same circumstances. The difference between 72 and 100 is HUUUUUUUGE. So I talked to ernst and oddy, and we decided to change it.

21/01/2006 16:53:00

cast0r, u maybe don't know what advantage u can get with lowFps. it's not cause of the better look.

kz_Academia_ARG
21/01/2006 16:55:00

83 fps change a lot of 85? why not 80?

21/01/2006 16:55:00

72 fps its ok , its default.. but 85 is hard FOR ALL , u say that "ONE OF MY DEMOS WAS REMOVED TOO" .. its true "The difference between 72 and 100 is HUUUUUUUGE" .. but so 412432141234132 jumpers cant send his demos 4 the fps's only :S ..

Flipsyde
21/01/2006 16:56:00

t3h suXx0r rule... -.-

21/01/2006 16:57:00

this new rule cames too late at all !!!! it's very sad for all the jumpers who beat the maps which takes always much time....... but how it was already said.......it's only a game ^^ that's why i would try to get a new record ......

21/01/2006 17:00:00

Cast0r, u maybe don't know what advantage u can get with lowFps. it's not cause of the better look. ----> believe me .. I KNOW .. but is not reason 4 change rlz and delete the demos of other players.. =/ change the rules but dont delete :S .. if you say "are cheated demos" well... but is only 4 the computer -.-

FikoN
21/01/2006 17:02:00

Yes, it's a game. And nowayday, it's also a FAIR game for ALL jumpers. It's 2006 ffs. The average computer is able to get 100 fps at most maps. We CAN NOT adjust the rules because of a minority of the community that has bad computers (AND without fps tweaks -.-).

21/01/2006 17:03:00

minority..? are u sure ? -.-"

21/01/2006 17:03:00

the demos are still on our FTP, if someone wanna have one of these demos, can msg us.

21/01/2006 17:04:00

make a new section :P "Fucked demos" :)

21/01/2006 17:06:00

nice idea......i would make a new section, where all demos are available, also the old ones.........maybe its funny to laugh about the skill 2 years ago ^^

21/01/2006 17:07:00

What advantage CAN you get from low fps then?

21/01/2006 17:10:00

bad decision...

21/01/2006 17:11:00

=/ this sux

21/01/2006 17:14:00

lol that rule is ... dunno. "we decided" muhaha nice fikon. u got pwned on 1 demo thats the new reason for a new rule. for all ... dont beat recs made by fikon :P give a help 4 the community to get better fps, maybe a small guide or somethin else -> which progs we can use for it and so on. lost 1 demo :P , but its k, that rec was bad

21/01/2006 17:14:00

u are not allowed to have fps lower than 85 now and not higher than 100.. is it that much easier to jump with fps lower than 85 and higher than 100?

21/01/2006 17:15:00

*or higher than 100

21/01/2006 17:20:00

i think many guys have a fps over 100, but cs 1.6 is not able to display it...... and a higher fps than 85 should be possible with a 5 year old pc !!!!!

21/01/2006 17:20:00

bad times but good fps.... that is a good choise ;)

21/01/2006 17:27:00

this rule sux... what a reaction... you sure a mature guy.. gros boulet va!

21/01/2006 17:29:00

the rule cause of developer 0 is, that u can jumper longer with more fps... the record with developer 1 is much longer than the regular one.

21/01/2006 17:32:00

i have a 4year old pc and i still get 100 fps...

21/01/2006 17:35:00

erns and fikon 1 - other users 1443214 :)

FikoN
21/01/2006 17:36:00

[blockquote]minority..? are u sure ? -.-"[/blockquote] Yep, I'm sure. The average computer can handle over 85 fps at most maps. If you're too poor to have it, then that's too bad. It's the same with hockey and motor sports. If you can't afford the equipment, then you can't play it. I've never heard someone complaing at hockey and saying it sucks because of the expensive equipment though... Maybe you should think before getting yourselves opinions? Cut the bullshit kekse. I've got a demo called kz_exn_ezjungle_FikoN_0414.dem at my computer. yes, __WE__ DECIDED. The community is always blaming me and that's so fucking sad because I'm only a part of the decision, and I usually trigger the whole thing too but that's another story. Good idea with the fps guide. Good higgins! First guy with some brains writing a comment.

21/01/2006 17:36:00

in DE , CS , and that maps sure .. 100 fps all is magic all is love .. but kz maps = low fps's and not is the minority..

FikoN
21/01/2006 17:38:00

BTW @nNy0, I think my balls have a quite normal size.

FikoN
21/01/2006 17:39:00

geez, come up with something new! You can't use the same argument at all times...

FikoN
21/01/2006 17:40:00

And especially not when it's a false argument.

21/01/2006 17:46:00

bad rule -.-

21/01/2006 17:49:00

CS and SPORTS , omg fikon JAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJ u cant say that AHHAHAHAHAH

21/01/2006 17:51:00

good argu. castor: "but kz maps = low fps's and not is the minority.. "

21/01/2006 17:51:00

kz_winterdust by FuzZerd (82.16 fps) kz_dm_dedication911_e by FikoN (82.34 fps) kz_man_castle by kimo (82.65 fps) kz_greenplanet by eme (83.00 fps) kz_6fd_volcano by Academia (83.41 fps) kz_nolve by eme (83.79 fps) kz_civilizations by HoHo^ (83.83 fps) 2 fucking FPS 4 demo ... u are so good :S

FikoN
21/01/2006 17:54:00

CS can be defined as a sport. It's just a matter of opinion. Why do you think it's called esports (Electronic Sports)?

21/01/2006 17:54:00

so if u can jump longer with high fps, why low considered to be "cheating"?

21/01/2006 17:55:00

... 4 god fikon .. U CANT SAY THAT :S:S:S:S !!!

FikoN
21/01/2006 17:56:00

http://www.cached.net/?go=main/featurearticle/single/106 http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0808/p13s01-alsp.html?entryBottomStory https://www.gotfrag.com/portal/store/prime/+welcome/

21/01/2006 17:57:00

if you play CS u can brake ur bones ? cmon .. SPORTS = SPORTS ELECTRONIC SPORTS = ELECTRONIC SPORTS

21/01/2006 18:01:00

OMGGG OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.... yea yea fikon ;) .. ;)

FikoN
21/01/2006 18:02:00

Curling is a sport, Do people brake their legs in that sport? Chess is a sport, do people brake their legs in that sport? Golf is a sport, Do people break their legs in golf often? You can break your keyboard.

21/01/2006 18:02:00

------------- look "eme" 5 demos yesterday now he have 1 fikon: My computer sucks too, and look ONE OF MY DEMOS WAS REMOVED TOO. ------------- omg nice so u lost a demo... but you still have got 20demos... me 1.... i just think you are afraid from new jumpers.. u know we can beat u so u change the rules. yes YOU change the rules... and dont say that all admins decided that because if u weren't here, the rules wont be changed. ( i didnt said u are a bad jumper. i know u are good. but.... its verry stupid to change that rules :/ look all the demos deleted :/ .... )

21/01/2006 18:03:00

is dont know wath is curling , chess dont need equipment ("fps") , golf and all that fucking thing are REALLY SPORTS "you can break your keyboard" omg .. HAHAHAHAHAH cmon u know .. this is bad rule and i bad 4 all... and 4 u

21/01/2006 18:04:00

"Welcome to fikon's playground"

-nightmare-
21/01/2006 18:04:00

i get about ~99 fps at about 98% of all kzmaps, but on some mapos like sn_beachcliff i can't get 85 fps al the time. but i think higgins is right, almost every pc should be able to get at least 85 fps. and WHY THE HELL is everyone blaming FikoN ???? you guys are soooo lame to blame him, omfg? i can't think the other admins qould say "oh, FikoN said we should change the rules so we must obey him or get fucked in the ass" or whatever, OF COURSE they decided the rule-changing too >.<"""" take it like men biatches

FikoN
21/01/2006 18:04:00

You think wrong.

FikoN
21/01/2006 18:05:00

Thx nightmare :)

21/01/2006 18:06:00

its kinda funny to make fikon angry :P only a bit m8, dont be sad man. admins r always right, aye ? so u decided to change the fps rule and its done. not the whole community ( maybe 30% ) will be understand that, but who cares. poor poor eme :-/ lost 4 demos, great

FikoN
21/01/2006 18:06:00

My playground is a server. What does this have to do with this? Are you trying to say XJ is my playground? Then you're wrong.

-nightmare-
21/01/2006 18:07:00

ahh, btw: sorry to the jumpers who lost their demos (espacially eme :( ). and btw: i don't give a crappy fuck about that new rule, i'm too lowskilled to record demos anyway :S

21/01/2006 18:07:00

<div class='indent'>BTW @nNy0, I think my balls have a quite normal size.</div> don't even try to understand french, you're totaly wrong... Cs is not a sport, it's a game!! Poor life if cs is the only "sport" u do.. How long shall we wait for a new rule? Ho I known, when a new fikon's record will be beat.. No?

21/01/2006 18:08:00

yes :) and WHY THE HELL is everyone blaming FikoN ???? --> he can say YES OR NOT :S ... for this rule

FikoN
21/01/2006 18:11:00

I do other sports you sad fuck. And I probably kick your ass in most of them. Don't come calling me things when you don't know shit about me. I am not the only one who decides things in XJ. If you think that you're just naive.

21/01/2006 18:11:00

"I am not the only one who decides things in XJ." -> no... but just for this rule

21/01/2006 18:12:00

Yup,sorry eme,but too bad,we can't do anything about it,we're just players and members :( Sorry to all the guys who lost their demos... :( I don't have any demos,so I can only decide how good is the rule from the others' opinions(no comment,I won't tell you is it good or bad)! So,it's good that I have minimum 90-95 FpS on every map :D

21/01/2006 18:13:00

yea fikon.. all nigths the admins sleep thinking (Hey ! we can put a new rule... 85 fps ! :) ) .. yea yea..

21/01/2006 18:14:00

The thing has 2 sides... Its 100% fair for everyone... so there cant be major time differences..... but everybody doesnt have so good comp. but new rule is alot better... its shame that people lost their demos if they worked hard

21/01/2006 18:14:00

ey dudes stfu with this "fikon decides everything alone"-stuff or I'll close the comment-function for this news.

Flipsyde
21/01/2006 18:14:00

cast0r better stop aguing, you have no chance at all. i think about 75% of this community thinks this new rule sucks, but if fikon wants this rule to exist it will exist... btw, i liked your comment about "FikoN's playground" -.-

-nightmare-
21/01/2006 18:14:00

eme, i would be VERY pissed off if i'd loose demos too, but you know, it's just a game, and everyone saw you pwning those maps, so they wont say "muahaha, only 1 demo, muahaha you are teh no0B dude". and castorrrrr, you should shut up too, you didn't got any demos or am i wrong? so what are you complaining about -.-""? this rule has only affects on world records, so why are you complaining? and before other people come and cry around for no reason, could the other admins PLEASE say that it was NOT only FikoNs decision, it was the decision of EVERY admin? kthx

FikoN
21/01/2006 18:14:00

No, I didn't decide this rule on my own. If you would go to school, you would be able to read and see that ernstaugust posted the news post.

FikoN
21/01/2006 18:15:00

You know what? Fuck off, all of you. Nightmare is the only one with a higher rate of IQ than 28 in here.

21/01/2006 18:16:00

btw, i liked your comment about "FikoN's playground" -.- ----> wth JAHAHAHHA

FikoN
21/01/2006 18:17:00

BTw @nNy0, I know what it means. But if you would think, you would also understand my point with saying that. -.-

21/01/2006 18:17:00

ok if u want to change this rule... but dont delete old demos :/ its so stupid because demos was done when the average fps = 72 so its unfair to delete this demos now...

Flipsyde
21/01/2006 18:17:00

stop commin' 'round with ya bitchy little kiddy comments. stick ep up y0 ass -.-

FikoN
21/01/2006 18:18:00

The demos has to fit the rules. I'm sorry but that's the way it is.

21/01/2006 18:21:00

but they respect the old rule..

21/01/2006 18:22:00

"nigthmare IS THE ONLY"? HE SAY THAT? OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG ======================== minority..? are u sure ? -.-" ======================== Yep, I'm sure.

FikoN
21/01/2006 18:23:00

eme, yes they fit the old rule but it's the new rules who are to follow. cast0r, your english sucks so much that I can't even understand what you're trying to say.

21/01/2006 18:24:00

Why are so many guys flaming here? Most of you aren't really affected by this rule. The only ones who are affected are the jumpers that had records with average fps lower than 85fps. These are the guys who are maybe angry. But i think if all of you think some time about it you ll understand why WE changed it. Yes, WE decided it. It wasnt only FikoN who wanted to change it. Just to let u know, i mentioned such a change over a half year ago. Calm down and think twice before posting unnecessary shit. Thanks.

21/01/2006 18:25:00

I agree with this rule.

21/01/2006 18:26:00

but.. new demos must fit the new rule... not the old demos -> the old demos must fit the old rule :/ its logic **sry everybody im bad in english :/ ( im french)**

21/01/2006 18:27:00

cast0r, your english sucks so much that I can't even understand what you're trying to say. --> i understand but im really bad writing ^^ =P

21/01/2006 18:27:00

stf.....hum..no hum, the only thing i wanted to know is the date of the former fps rule!!! I know you have good reasons to change her, therefore i think its quite unfair for players who have a fuc\%!# shity computer with low fps....

FikoN
21/01/2006 18:28:00

No, that's like saying that old counter-strike players can use smoke hack and flash hack because it wasn't a cheat back in the days.

21/01/2006 18:28:00

kimo maybe is a good rule but... delete demos ? =/ :S

21/01/2006 18:29:00

Well,'admins are always right'

21/01/2006 18:29:00

Oddysseus has a greate point in what he says.

-nightmare-
21/01/2006 18:30:00

this will be my last comment for this thread: 1. do NOT blame FikoN, ask the other admins, i'm sure they will say that it was not only FikoNs decision 2. everyone who complains, but DID NOT have any demos should really shut the fuck up because this new rule does not affect him. just think for a second: what changes for you? i think i can say that in 1 single word: nothing 3. comments like "haha FikoN your balls are small" or "muahaha you're a child FikoN but im t3H_ub3R-aDuL7" have nothing to do with that thread ? btw: what should his age matter ? nobody who said hes a little boy (i dont know his age exactly, i can only guess) does know his age in my opinion. any questions / arguments left? kthx -.-""

21/01/2006 18:30:00

how will u do with low fps maps??

21/01/2006 18:30:00

P.S.This must be the longest news comment log ever!

FikoN
21/01/2006 18:32:00

No, potatimos is longer. http://xtreme-jumps.net/comment.php?comment.news.100

21/01/2006 18:33:00

-.-" .. why u dont remove the demo if somebody with the new rule beat it ?

21/01/2006 18:34:00

[quote] how will u do with low fps maps?? [/quote] if there is a really low fps map, we'll discuss if we accept a demo of this map.

21/01/2006 18:34:00

P.S.This must be the longest news comment log ever! because a lot of jumpers are concerned by this rule :/ 15 demos deleted and all the jumpers who will never be able to have a world recor with this rule

21/01/2006 18:35:00

Hehehe,111,but I bet this one will be longer,when I look at the way it's going... :D

FikoN
21/01/2006 18:35:00

Why would we wait for someone to beat the demo? Maybe it never gets beaten because the great advantage of the low fps makes it impossible to beat with the new rule.

21/01/2006 18:36:00

Yup,I think FikoN is right! Btw:98

21/01/2006 18:42:00

peace :P

21/01/2006 18:48:00

can somebody explain plz whats the advantage of having a low fps?

FikoN
21/01/2006 18:50:00

You slow down less than with 100 fps when you land after jumping.

21/01/2006 18:58:00

votes ? new rule or not from all jumpers ? -.-"

-nightmare-
21/01/2006 19:00:00

eiRa: you know axn mod right? try to jump with 30 fps and tell me your opinion ;) :). i think with 30 fps its almost a bit like with axn ;) okay the post above was not my last one, sry :P

21/01/2006 19:25:00

:P srry fikon 4 all.. the problem is with the rule not with u -.-" .. i say some shits but u too ... well.. u a re rigth , srry .. is good 4 the jumping , is bad 4 some jumpers but well :P

21/01/2006 19:34:00

Well I am going to add my point a view. First of all, 100 comments is just nonsense. We all know that low fps does make a faster time and it is unfair for lots of players. I would personally say 95fps to 100fps... just so there isn`t a discrepceny at all. Lets just hope that the same thing is going to happen with cs:source... cs.1.6 is old! The truth is if you haven`t bought a video card in the last like 4 years then good luck. Well anyways... I am looking forward to the kzmod... I am hoping the timer goes into miliseconds so that ties are practically impossible and there is always room to beat records. Well stop fighting... seriously... I`ve had loads of demos taken away and I just left it at that... well enough of this.. bye

21/01/2006 19:41:00

3GHz 1GB RAM ATI Radeon 9800 Pro often low fps even on ultrablock!

21/01/2006 19:43:00

So much anger in this thread :D

21/01/2006 19:52:00

better yet.. make 2 sections... 95 and above... and 95 and below lol

21/01/2006 19:56:00

72-85 85-100

21/01/2006 19:57:00

So mutch anger f0 sure.. Like T3d said.. im sry for all jumper to.. :/ Remember that KZ=FUN!!!! and stop wasting time writing bad things to each other :/ OK, it's bad that many demos was deleted, but at the same time this new rule makes it "fair" to EVERY1.. cu ppl =) 1 <3

kzhz
21/01/2006 20:02:00

kz_winterdust by FuzZerd (82.16 fps) kz_dm_dedication911_e by FikoN (82.34 fps) kz_man_castle by kimo (82.65 fps) kz_greenplanet by eme (83.00 fps) kz_6fd_volcano by Academia (83.41 fps) kz_nolve by eme (83.79 fps) kz_civilizations by HoHo^ (83.83 fps) MAN 2 FPSSS... ITS SUX, START a POLL.. 80 fps is the best

21/01/2006 20:27:00

rofl im too lazy to read all of these comments i remember moos3d saying that KZing was more important than soccer XD omfG LOL btw: haven't you heard the song "Why Can't We Be Friends"? :P

21/01/2006 20:27:00

Discuss, dont flame, i ll delete every post that contains bad words.

21/01/2006 20:29:00

i hope im a good person, and not hated in here :\

FikoN
21/01/2006 20:37:00

I'm the only one who is hated by someone in here. So don't worry :p

21/01/2006 20:42:00

no we luz j00 <3

21/01/2006 20:49:00

the rules is a good one , only problem is that when eme worked on his records it wasent the same rule :/ and at kzfr we all know that eme got fps problemes , he is actualy the low fps map tester ^^ and he is cool so I say big Sorry to eme ... you guys sould all try to cheer him up :) only 1 .dem on 5 left for him thats hard :)

kzhz
21/01/2006 20:53:00

roll a poll... 80 is the best.

21/01/2006 21:01:00

FikoN & OddYsseus, i'm only going to talk about the "minority" with the low fps...well... u r REALLY wrong, yes, u leave in a rich country, denmarck and al europe is practicly cheap to buy a pc...but not in the rest of the world... i will explain, for example, for me, castor, kzhz, academia, generat0r, roman, and A LOT A LOT A LOT more people, is EXPENSIVE to buy a brand new PC with 8000 fps on the gighest r_polys maps could ever be made...maybe not for u, but it is for every latin american pc user, and i think some parts of europe too... so...how is this ? simple, usd dollar exchange rate...for example... 1 ARS (argentine peso) is 3 USD, so, a good computer, around 800 dollars (wich u can get by working 1 month and a half) it cost 2400 ARS, and that's like...3 months of works for just the computer, and with our age (the range goes from 14 to 22) without professional works and all that...so...why don't u think a litle in "the latin american "minority" ? if the things would be inverted...i would like to know how u would feel if u couldn't have a 800 usd computer...btw, my actual one, wich i really want to change, costed me around 550 usd...and wow man, it was like taking off one of my eyes and sell it to the best buyer ! but what the hell, i needed it...and now...just to record a record (haha) i have to sell the other one ? that is not fair... this is not fair play.. but well...this is MY opinion, all u (admins) can do whatever u want and whatever it needs to be done...but please...think on the rest of the people, not just your countries please. Yours, HarZens. PD: sry if i have some syntax errors...i'm not an english genius and i do the best i can :)

21/01/2006 21:15:00

hey just curious are there any from mexico

FikoN
21/01/2006 21:16:00

I understand you and I respect your opinion. I wouldn't be too glad either if I wasn't able to record demos cuz I couldn't afford a computer. But we've been talking about this before. And I explained the situation. [blockquote]The average computer can handle over 85 fps at most maps. If you're too poor to have it, then that's too bad. It's the same with hockey and motor sports. If you can't afford the equipment, then you can't play it. I've never heard someone complaing at hockey and saying it sucks because of the expensive equipment though... [/blockquote]

21/01/2006 21:29:00

yap 2bad m8 : ( but u can still play kz aye? I mean it's like 15-20 different people that are sending in demos so you all that do not send in demos, u have nothing to complaine at : ) play the game

21/01/2006 21:30:00

supa @ ask on the chatbox ;D fikon @ could u give me the "average computer" caracteristics ? processor, mother, ram, video card, etc. please ? and better if u include the price on it ? xD :D

FikoN
21/01/2006 21:50:00

Well, I'd say that 2600+/2,6 is the average CPU atm. RAM, 512 DDR. I dunno much about gfx cards so I dunno what the average gfx card would be.

kzhz
21/01/2006 21:59:00

FikoN you better watch out in the street's coz i'm gonna send a couple of black dressed niggars to kick your ass and teach you to respect the others, to think about the rest not about you, so please honey, with sugar on top be more considerate on the next decision and i'm sure you will. If not i'm gonna get medieval on your ass got that? BTW: i am trully sorry about your lost demo.. my condolences really you must be overwhelmed but hey wtf! you still got 20! n1 fik oh! but its just me and i cant change nothing so n1 guys!.... oh! yeah nightmare stop sucking fikons ass it makes sick kz.player in argentina Dea^

21/01/2006 22:00:00

radeon 9600 gforce 6600 ati x600

21/01/2006 22:02:00

kzhz nice argument..really.. >.<

21/01/2006 22:04:00

my pc is way down over those stats, is athlon xp 2.4 mother asrock fx 5200 128 256 ram THAT's the average PC over this country for example

21/01/2006 22:04:00

80 fps would be the best i think :)

21/01/2006 22:05:00

6600 ? ajajaj that grafic card doesnt even exist in argentina dude i'm from argentina and although i can get enough fps to send records i believe the decision could have been just a bit more considerate but hey its up to you if you think this is the right decision no one can deal with it but still wether you want to believe it or not you got several kzjumpers against your decision ^^ if you think its the right one i just have nothing else but to respect it gl

kzhz
21/01/2006 22:06:00

80 fps would be the best i think I think same...

21/01/2006 22:10:00

dude a radeon 9600 in argentina = to buy a couple of pc's with 80 frequent fps in normal kz maps and i believe certainly that that radeon doesnt even exist here

21/01/2006 22:12:00

Looks like you guys don't want to understand why we did this.

21/01/2006 22:16:00

u r right oddy =)

21/01/2006 22:17:00

radeon 9600 gforce 6600 ati x600 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJAJAJJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJJAJAJAJJAJAJAJJA

21/01/2006 22:18:00

yeah , at least i know it is cuz u can jump better with less fps...but anyways, don't u think 5 fps less would be better ? 80 fps i think is better than 85! run a poll or something if u want to.. but anyhow, it's ur call d=) gl.

FikoN
21/01/2006 22:25:00

[blockquote]FikoN you better watch out in the street's coz i'm gonna send a couple of black dressed niggars to kick your ass and teach you to respect the others, to think about the rest not about you, so please honey, with sugar on top be more considerate on the next decision and i'm sure you will. If not i'm gonna get medieval on your ass got that? BTW: i am trully sorry about your lost demo.. my condolences really you must be overwhelmed but hey wtf! you still got 20! n1 fik oh! but its just me and i cant change nothing so n1 guys!.... oh! yeah nightmare stop sucking fikons ass it makes sick kz.player in argentina Dea^[/blockquote] I am looking forward to meeting your friends. You should tell them that I run fast, i can run for ages and if they ever catch me, I'll have enough power left to kick them in the balls. Just so they will be prepared. P.S. please send me a message if you want a picture of me so your friends know which ass to kick.

21/01/2006 22:27:00

FikoN.. u didn't have to answer that immature idiot.. PLZ ADMINS!!! close this comment thingy.. it's redicilus (sry for my bad english 2) :D

FikoN
21/01/2006 22:31:00

I know, I'm just bored atm :E We are deleting all comments which contain flame. Except this dude who threathened to send some guys to beat me up. I found that quite funny so I left it :p

21/01/2006 22:44:00

elite don't suck admins "socks" ... they know what and how to do it...

21/01/2006 22:55:00

hrhrhr all against fikon ;) hmmm 140 comments i think there will be 20 comments left w/o flaming :P

21/01/2006 23:00:00

Id say u turn the comments off now. Its getting nowhere...

kzhz
21/01/2006 23:03:00

80 is the best.. all want this, roll a poll now

21/01/2006 23:08:00

LMAO NEW RULE.. BUT.. I HAVE 2 AGREE WITH IT.. GET NEW GFX CARDS OR W/E LUCKELY MINE R ABOVE =P

21/01/2006 23:10:00

stfu see ? u target only think in yourself...THINK ON THE REST; IT'S A COMMUNITY! but wth...we will have to live with this new rule, so...gl everybody trying to buy a new jodida pc. ;)

21/01/2006 23:13:00

kzhz is banned from this page for this fucking stupid comment!

21/01/2006 23:13:00

im not thinkin about my self.. im thinkin of what lame times u could get 'n stuff.. with it.. and btw its all up to me if i think 'bout other s or not.. even if it IS a community.. all up to me bro.. :)

21/01/2006 23:13:00

oh my god the discusion is still going on ? oO oh sorry i ve said discusion, i think it is a critical comment section where a lot of people write ****. above all "kzhz". What do you want to recieve with your post ? In my opinion you can change nothing ... so what about stop flaming ? :D

21/01/2006 23:17:00

85 fps is ok but old demos shouldnt be deleted since they were recorded by the rules...

21/01/2006 23:25:00

#150 :D not bad

21/01/2006 23:25:00

lol

21/01/2006 23:28:00

"im not thinkin about my self.. im thinkin of what lame times u could get 'n stuff.. with it.. " oh wait wait, u r the fucking pro jumper and i'm the noob guy trying to get out of the first jump... die please... and yes, close this comments for this news...cuz the rule is not going to change, even if 65% of the people think 80fps would be great so we have to live with it... cya, have a good night/afternoon/morning/w-e.

21/01/2006 23:29:00

its may be just me...i know i cannot change anything...still what about maps which still good cards cannot suport the specific fps demand, im not seeking to irritate the admins a couple of maps which i found out my grafic card cannot support 85 fps during the whole map ex: sn_beachcliff ultrablock y a part or 2 peak, volcano, arpino. I ain't saying 2 u that during the whole map i recieve around 20 fps or such of the sort, im just saying that in several parts at least my card cannot support the specific fps demmanded. i have got a geforce 5200 and it may not be a 6600 as u suggested but hey right now in argentina that doesn't exist and the 5200 supports brilliantly in most of the maps i believe at least 80 fps would do gl and check out some of the maps like beachcliff which are tough in fps PD: I put just an ex or two up there ;)

21/01/2006 23:31:00

the truth is that im really shocked by the changes but what I myself find really nonsense is deleting the former records..they followed the rules and shouldn't be deleted look at eme :S

21/01/2006 23:33:00

I'd shutt down the comments on this one it's really starting to suxx bad :/ get some new maps out :) so we can all forget about it and have some fun :D

21/01/2006 23:33:00

all this was because of the eme records if u ask me...

21/01/2006 23:39:00

harzens your comps about as good as mine 930 mhz p3 geforce fx 5200 128 384 megs ram don't know what my motherboard is

21/01/2006 23:55:00

it seems like a lot of you think that you have to NEVER get under 85 fps... this isn't true you mearly need to averageover 85 fps throughout the demo. never getting under 85 fps would probably be nearly impossible becuase if you look at my winterdust demow with fps death I had frames that were under 20 fps and times when I averaged under 40 one more thing, I think I may have done my demo faster because of low fps and I had 82 fps just imagine someone with 73 fps on that map.

FikoN
22/01/2006 00:14:00

"and yes, close this comments for this news...cuz the rule is not going to change, even if 65% of the people think 80fps would be great so we have to live with it..." Please give me the link to your poll that showed that 65% of the XJ members doesn't like the new rule. fuzzerd, you're thinking like us but still doesn't agree to our rules. We imagined players with 73 fps at those kind of maps too. It's a big advantage, and that is the simple reason why we decided to put a higher allowed average fps rate.

22/01/2006 00:17:00

lol, i think i just spent about 20 minutes reading these comments. i probably spent half that time laughing! :D anyway, in my opinion this is a good rule because the more fair this game is the easier it is to tell which players are actually the best. i'm supporting the 85 fps rule (even though it dosent really affect me). you all do realise that none of you would get a world record anyway? and just because the WR rules have changed dosent mean you can't play KZ anymore. It's not like FikoN has closed KZ lol. also, there is another problem. its not a big one but it is very very frustrating for me. What about the Mappers? i have probably spent almost as much time on my latest map (box_silo) working on the FPS, and that was the major factor in deciding which direction my map could go. i probably removed 80% of the polygons in one of the rooms because of the massive fps i was getting. and i wouldnt like to release a map and it to be branded a "low fps" map. I also have talked to about 3 of my mapping friends IRL and there biggest problem is fps in maps :/ lol i dont know why the hell im still typing, but its fun aye :P. Lastly i'd like to say, why not keep the 85 FPS rule except exclude the demo's with 83+ FPS? those demo's probably took along time to do and i do not think i could get an extra 5 on any longjump map if i had 85 as opposed to 83 fps. p.s. i'd like to see the next jump movie contain a intermission with FikioN kicking a bunch of worn out (after piss bolting for like 15 minutes) in the balls! that would really make my day :D

22/01/2006 00:17:00

i win, i got the longest post w/o lame flames!! :D

FikoN
22/01/2006 00:22:00

Ye you flamed me. You blamed this one me, exactly like everyone else by typing "It's not like FikoN has closed KZ lol." So I'm sorry, you didn't "win"

22/01/2006 00:32:00

harzen.. ok i will stop sucking admins "socks" sry :( If i ever see u someday u better run bitch :D

22/01/2006 00:37:00

1. This rule is good, admins made a consenzus. Admincrew isnt bunch of amateurs, they know the PROs and CONs of such decision. 2.They are running this site, doing alot work, providing help for newjumpers, providing downloads and we should respect them and respect their decision. 3.They followed the aim of greater equality of all jumpers (new 85 fps rule), but harmed people with less fps on poorer PCs. 4. A part of harmed community is jealous (they think the admins want to get rid of competition by setting the higher rate of fps), some are angry (their demos were erased) and some are just doing flame or having fun out of this. 5. Info for the harmed community: read between the lines, try to understand the reasons, stop the thoughts that XJ want something bad for you or harm you. 6. XJ maybe to prevent this again, the reasons for such a step should be stated (a lot of people dont\didnt know what fps can cause ingame) 7. FikoN is good and responsible admin. FikoN I know sometimes people have a bad day. You dont need to get in this jealous community play who are pointing at you and blaming you. Ignore them, you are educated, skillful and wise, comment only normal questions or make an reason statement, many may be touched by 18:15 comment.

22/01/2006 00:43:00

p.s.s. i doubt anyone will give a crap (apart from eme) in a few weeks about this rule. [img]http://www.users.on.net/~lomasb/oh_noes.jpg[/img]

FikoN
22/01/2006 00:45:00

thx :)

22/01/2006 00:51:00

iv4n.. 1. Ur comment pwnz. 2. U pwnz. 3. Ur comment pwnz again :)

22/01/2006 00:53:00

i love the 84.9 fps image lmao

22/01/2006 00:53:00

sorry FikoN, i kinda didnt mean it how i said it but anyway... la la la.. '[u][b]we[/b][/u] decided to change the "Average fps" on our Demorules.' didnt people notice that it was posted by ernstaugust and he actually said 'we' ? besides, these admins obviously know what there doing, 2 less fps may not make a difference but i can see how 15 could make a difference..

22/01/2006 00:56:00

the news was posted at 16:16:59 and its roughly 1am in the morning (its 10am here) and its still going strong wewt <_< too bad i couldnt be apart of the pointless flaming directed at FikoN :(

22/01/2006 00:57:00

just one question... in my questions...did i flame fikon ? cuz if i did, that wasn't my intention... i only insulted target but that's another story =)

22/01/2006 01:03:00

1.elite: I knew you would like it :)) 2.skitz: read no. 5 3.all: gn! (good night)

FikoN
22/01/2006 01:06:00

nah, I can't find any flame to you directed against me...

22/01/2006 01:07:00

AHAHA

22/01/2006 01:07:00

http://www.hlcomic.com/comics/concerned040.jpg

22/01/2006 01:09:00

HAHAHAUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

22/01/2006 01:10:00

and stop posting that stupid comments some guys come whit :D

22/01/2006 01:10:00

i am on fikons side to 100 % :)

22/01/2006 01:12:00

n1 skitz @GanJasTeR kz_cfl_aqualand OddYsseus 05:18 avg fps: 96.42 .. sure it's possible ;)

FikoN
22/01/2006 01:13:00

ganjaster's post was deleted because of it containing flame. But he asked a question, which was "how could there ever be a demo on aqualand?" And my answer to this question is: There's a a demo for aqualand. You told me that I have a "bad brain"... Oh, really? Who's the one with the bad brain in here? BTW, the average fps is actually quite high. So go get yourself a brain before complaining at others.

22/01/2006 01:15:00

gimme some links 4 fps-tweaking pls =/

FikoN
22/01/2006 01:16:00

That's quite ironic, cast0r. You're laughing at counter-strike playing flamers. You're a counter-strike playing flamer yourself, which means that you are laughing at yourself.

22/01/2006 01:21:00

.....?? http://www.hlcomic.com/comics/concerned040.jpg ---> this not funny 4 me -.-" ... is for the screen "84.9"fps :) .. ;)

22/01/2006 01:21:00

it was my first map and I MAP ALONE not like you with radon (good mapper) but your map... To many jump brushs. very funny =[ im working on a better version of aqualand more nice et with 100 fps..

FikoN
22/01/2006 01:25:00

Ehm...? Are you trying to degrade me as a person by telling me I'm a bad mapper which I'm not?

22/01/2006 01:39:00

i just scrolled down the demo listings quickly. I counted all the demo's with a fps over 95, and when i had counted 100 (probably 98 or even 102) i had 9 demos that were lower than 95 (6 were either 94 or 93 and the rest were like 88-90). There are some maps which because of there design the fps is slightly lower. i think the 85 fps rule is prefectly acceptable, if the rule was 90 or 95 it would be a little to much as some of those maps could only be played with a fps over 95 by 10 or 20% of the jumpers with WR's, the extra 10 fps gives sufficient leway for maps like those (not saying there bad maps at all, because my map is like that). I think 85 is the perfect number for an Average Fps. or atleast it is at this time, mabbie 2 years down the track and 95 would be a better number. So i don't see why people are complaining, 85 fps is actually alot of room to move in, its not that hard to get a fps over 85, why not try some tricks like as your jumping always look in the direction that gives you the higest fps? i did that for almost all of my aussie records. I have a GeCube 9550XT and my computer runs slower than my brothers 5200 :/ but i can still get over 85 fps fine. Why not even change your resolution? i dbout you need 1024x768 even to play a jump map, i normally would run at that but you could even play on 640x480 and have no troubles at all and get a much higher fps. and thats not even a tweak, or you could (at the end) look directly at the timer and spend 20 seconds saying random crap like "<3 bla bla" "i'm liek teh cool" "I'm a winner!" and push your fps up. I used these techniques alot when i was doing demo's andi found i got an extra 25 average fps on my demo's :D. its not that hard to get a fps over 85, even with a card like a 5200.

22/01/2006 01:44:00

hahaha, i think i found a bug with your website.. can sum1 edit that post and change the image tags to link tags?

22/01/2006 01:51:00

@skitz i think there'll ba another rule change about pushing up ur fps by looking at the timer for 20secs tomorrow ^^

22/01/2006 01:53:00

"You may not stand still at any time in your demo under a long time to get a better average fps rate." owned. Lucky i pointed that out :)

FikoN
22/01/2006 01:53:00

Stop writing what number of post we are at atm horst. It's completely off topic. skitz, read the update. You're not allowed to increase your average fps by standing still and looking into a 100 fps direction.

FikoN
22/01/2006 01:54:00

No, it's not lucky you pointed that out :p I updated the news before you wrote your comment :p

22/01/2006 02:03:00

sif :( well, that dosent mean my other tricks won't work. There is no rule about which direction you are allowed to look, and if you get a WR you probably will know the map back to front. And having a lower resolution isnt that bad anyway? there are heaps of sweet old games that run at 800x600 or even 640x480, i mean pong was probably made in 16x16 resolution for gameboys, and nobody is complaining about it looking ugly and needing valve to add displacment maps to the edges of the pong to make it look better, or to add a 3D enviroment with HDR and pixel shader 3? just because you changed the graphics settings dosent mean the gameplay is going to get anyworse, besides it's interesting to play the game at a different resolution to normal :P

FikoN
22/01/2006 02:08:00

I know, looking into another way whilst jumping is ok. Maybe I should point that out in the rule...

22/01/2006 02:11:00

omg spammer :D Bad for the jumpers, who lost demos :( Bad for the jumpers, who g0t a bad pc :( Bad for the jumpers, who are lame :( But not bad for me :P I lost no demo :) I got a nice pc :) I am not lame :) :P

22/01/2006 02:12:00

You may not stand still at any time in your demo under a long time to get a better average fps rate." also that kinda dosent make sense after you've read it a few times. you cant stand 'under a long time' but you could stand 'for a long time' even thats bad english anyway because you generally don't want to have one word repeated in the sentence more than once or it sounds... wierd... but that dosent matter people know exactly what you mean and thats all that counts :P

22/01/2006 02:13:00

dw, the new rule sounds ok.

22/01/2006 02:15:00

abustyle definatley does have his own style :P my style is 'spammer'

FikoN
22/01/2006 02:16:00

Bleh :p It's 2.16 am, I'm tired and can't write correct english atm :p

22/01/2006 02:20:00

lol :D i havent slept more than 2 hrs in 35 hrs, what am i to complain.

22/01/2006 02:31:00

lets keep posting til we get to 1337 comments.. =D

FikoN
22/01/2006 02:32:00

Ye, do that :D But stay on the topic and don't write any bullshit/nonsense...

22/01/2006 02:35:00

and my last 5 comments havent been 'bullshit/nonsense'.. i'm taking that as an insult. anyway, i'd like to point out that if anyone dissagreed with the rule all they need to do is read these comments and i doubt they will dissagree. p.s. FikoN is my av to inapropriate or is it ok? p.s.s. Add me on x-fire <_<

22/01/2006 03:55:00

so.. dudes! wtf is going on? yeah i think this rule suxx 2 but the ads said so and so its ok.. well u cant do anything against it ;) and: u will not have a great advantage by jumping with 70-80 fps (makes 75) then 80-90 (makes 85) but if the admins wich so.... yeah! good that there are no kx maps here cuz they suck cuz of the r_speeds...

22/01/2006 04:20:00

but with 75 average fps you can get 40 fps at some parts and still get over 75 fps average

22/01/2006 05:57:00

just so u can see... i tried to play parkblock on my kz server... ALL the map, i had no more than 45 FPS... http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7300/kzeaparkblock00034pc.jpg so...u can see that i can't play this map...it's imposible to jump with 40 fps all the time... :(

22/01/2006 06:01:00

o.O....about cs injuries....i broke 2 fingers :)....i played 10 hours straight kz...and it was late at night....my fingers were so stiff...then i played a hard map and was pressing buttons hard....and then my right pointer finger and left index finger broke....it hurt like shit ;)

22/01/2006 06:02:00

whoops...haha...don't use right hand :p....i meant left middle finger and left pinky

22/01/2006 06:18:00

harzen... playing in 800X600? mods on the server? people in the server? playing in a private server with no mods no people and 640x480 instead of 800x600 will just about double your fps compared to playing with 15 people in a public server

22/01/2006 06:19:00

ps. you still might not have enough fps to really play that map lol

22/01/2006 06:58:00

Shit ive been reading this for a hour now 2 many post's.. :D The people are kinda right fikon... This isnt so fair... I think u could change it to 80fps..

22/01/2006 07:02:00

Yep some KZ maps total suxx with fps :( kz_peak .. kz_ea_parkblock kz_cfl_aqualand.. these maps suxx at fps..

22/01/2006 07:46:00

Yes,I have my minimum on them-90-95 fps! B.t.w.This is the longest news log ever!

22/01/2006 07:48:00

I don't think parkblock is really that bad

22/01/2006 07:49:00

Me too,parkblock is a small map,I don't think so.

22/01/2006 08:35:00

At the start i have 40 fps

22/01/2006 08:51:00

w00t, many comments :) I like the new rule :D

22/01/2006 09:04:00

I like cAke! :D

22/01/2006 09:26:00

private, lan, only me, no mods, anything, it raised just 15 fps... :(

22/01/2006 09:47:00

did you do the 640x480 part? thats the most important if you really need as much fps as you need turning off the net_graph will give you about 1 extra fps, and theres some other tweaks I can't remember right now that my freind gave me that didn't seem to do anything. @chrizzy I like the new rule too, I also like triplebaconcheese burgers, but they'll both kill me XD (never actually had a triplebaconcheese burger)

22/01/2006 09:59:00

try dl some knife and usp skins that is fps friendly http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/

22/01/2006 11:41:00

http://www.cs-expert.de/showscript.php?by=109 here are 20 commands that should give u higher fps ... just copy them into your "userconfig.cfg" maybe it works :) btw good morning :P

22/01/2006 13:46:00

omg .. guys people not affected should not flame .. i think the admins musnt look @ you who have a low pc.. cause if u got an shit pc go play minsweeper or sth dont play cs and flame if u cant do records..

22/01/2006 15:00:00

I think only admins want to 85 fps, all the people of this comunity have to decide the limit becouse we are the comunity. Roll a poll and the comunity decide what is the better 80, 85 or 72 . Sorry for my english... i not speak very well

22/01/2006 15:11:00

If you need any convincing of why they changed the rule, read all the comments on this page. and on that notem FikoN could you do something about these comment pages, people like me with low end machines cant load this page without severe fps lag. [url]http://www.users.on.net/~lomasb/desktop0001.jpg[/url] mabbie you could sort these lengty comments into pages of 20 or 30? it would make me so much happier to run at a good fps. and lots of you are going to go on about me running it in 1280x1024, but i run a fps (over the 85 legal limit) on almost every page except these large comment pages. would you be able to look into this?

FikoN
22/01/2006 15:28:00

hahaha :D Ye I'll look into it :>

22/01/2006 17:31:00

Good rule [img]http://files.upl.silentwhisper.net/upload4/ph34r-cag.gif[/img]

22/01/2006 17:40:00

tsssssss

22/01/2006 18:43:00

i forgot to say that i do not use net graph, i use showfps...i just put it there so u can see better ^^

22/01/2006 18:54:00

What about the mapsubmission demos? Do they count too?

22/01/2006 18:58:00

Because tommorow I'm making a map :D

22/01/2006 20:47:00

lol that rule is made that the admins can see its possile to finish the map or ? ( i hate engl. )

22/01/2006 21:04:00

what the hell ? XDDDD what the hell r u trying to say ? XD

22/01/2006 21:52:00

possible xD

22/01/2006 23:13:00

I don't have a userconfig.cfg...? wtf wrong folder?

22/01/2006 23:32:00

half of those weren't console commands but I entered in as much as possible it didn't seem to help then I reset cs and they all changed back

22/01/2006 23:55:00

userconfig.cfg doesn't come with counter strike, but in the config.cfg it has (on the last line) the "exec userconfig.cfg", so when u enter the game and everytime the config.cfg is executed the userconfig.cfg is xecuted too, so u could put all ur commands there.

23/01/2006 02:53:00

Its useless to argue. Especially in something like this. If the president of the u.s. demanded the americans to all move to canada that would be something to get mad about. at least for us americans... put it into your own context.. haha But obviously they put a poll and so they are only going to do it the way they want.

23/01/2006 14:16:00

btw any ideas which country will bush attack next? cause i dont wanna be there..

23/01/2006 17:54:00

the next country is the one that have oil :)

24/01/2006 01:20:00

yeah , but i hope the US will go for Canada :D

24/01/2006 18:59:00

lol didn't they find oil in the us recently? lets attack our selves. maybe a second civil war

25/01/2006 00:50:00

That 'd be good for the civilized world, not for u though :p

FikoN
25/01/2006 15:31:00

Get back to the topic.

27/01/2006 06:53:00

i just noticed that i wrote this "for example... 1 ARS (argentine peso) is 3 USD" but it's the other way XD it is "for example... 3 ARS (argentine peso) is 1 USD" :$

23/01/2011 04:25:00

Nice ! :)