Interview with Juice

By PU9makerrecord holder·
Hello everyone.

I finally got the opportunity to get an interview with one of the most influential person KZ has ever seen. Despite the fact that he is not so known between the users his actions in KZ world affect basically all of us.

Enjoy

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knoxville
07/08/2014 13:41:00

i also know of some hacked demos but... naaaahhh secret axaxaxax

swatter.
07/08/2014 13:49:00

Ti ne ishi menya ya LYLI LYLI!

badgamer mapperrecord holder
07/08/2014 13:50:00

PU9maker " why did you send your cheat to people ? " Juice " for fun and to destroy a nice community " ))

ShoCkrecord holder Tournament #2 VIP
07/08/2014 15:17:00

"... no offence to xj though haha :)))" let's laugh all together guys haha:))..

chris
07/08/2014 13:58:00

nice

Spider1 mapperlj record holder Tournament #3
07/08/2014 14:03:00

Yo Juice You know...just....there..you know...at right ;)

Mathzz
07/08/2014 14:04:00

Excellent review, juice sounds like a real lad.

finzer
07/08/2014 15:07:00

this one was interesting. i just wish it was a little more in-depth

WOOFix
07/08/2014 15:24:00

The obvious question remains : why isnt he banned yet ? Or maybe spreading cheats around is tolerated MEH

Cobrex mapper Tournament #2
07/08/2014 18:02:00

He isn't spreading cheats here ... he's creating them!

PiilsnEr
07/08/2014 16:46:00

poor juice getting interrogation by police officer Pugmaker :'l

k a f f e e
07/08/2014 17:41:00

hello juice, i recommend you to read dürrenmatts "the physicists". it seems you like challanges and this could open up a new dimension to this whole cheat-developement-thing for you. the book is not very lengthy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Physicists

finzer
07/08/2014 19:45:00

oh i was supposed to watch a play of the "the physicists" years ago but i missed it and i completely forgot about it since then. good thing you mentioned it, i've never read it.

jingles
07/08/2014 23:52:00

kaffee

laachux
07/08/2014 22:49:00

well, it's been proven before that geniuses in some area are threat to others, in this case, someone that's good at creating hacks is threat to entire scene, you'll get a Nobel prize for that :DD you know, dynamites, nuclear bombs etc. ;D but anyways, you really seem like a reasonable guy, bad that you had to prove your knowledge in counter-strike hacks, why didn't you choose Supermario instead? damn :D

Brink1
08/08/2014 08:50:00

Feels like juice hideing things here. Don't like this guy he destroyed paths of the kreedz seince giving him no other than hate by doing this hope xj/edark can find out whats realy going on in xj. Juice no respect for the time you spent on this game wish you never found out about it would have been a bettre game without you. People like you deserve an bad life you bettre get a bad life thats one of my wishes along the road!

jesaspenas
08/08/2014 10:18:00

I love juice, esp. the apple one.

ndR Tournament #2
08/08/2014 10:22:00

Well, his defense is saying "just created them, it's not my fault if people use them". Huge lack of maturity right there, adolescence period characterized by an inability to understand the notion of 'responsibility', which obviously doesn't seem to ring him a bell. On a way more significant scale, it's like creating harsh drugs for fun, and saying it's not your fault if people use it and die from it. You can't really compare this situation to a game cheats, but still, you got the parallel. Interesting interview nevertheless, knowing one of the main cheat creator for kz does it "for fun" and by an obvious lack of maturity.

VPEARL
08/08/2014 12:37:00

So, screening this as a picture over to the car/motorcycle industry, you're basically sayin' that it's BMWs,AUDIs, Porsches, Suzukis whatever fault, when people die from crashes, because they are building fast cars. Lack of intelligence right here.

ndR Tournament #2
08/08/2014 13:04:00

Cars are initially made to travel. Weapons are made to kill, deaths by gun aren't collateral. Drugs are dangerous in their very own essence. I guess you can picture the difference, mr. fakeaccount.

VPEARL
08/08/2014 13:07:00

cheats were initially made to push the boundaries, so follow your own logic, Mr. I wanna act smart but in reality I'm fucking stupid

ndR Tournament #2
08/08/2014 13:45:00

Insults are useful when lacking arguments... :-)

k a f f e e
08/08/2014 14:57:00

oh well, companys and their lobbys as well as local politics should indeed be in responsibillity for this (way too fast cars, too less speed limitation) because theres alot of rubel to roll... atlest they are taking a big part in people's death - ofc its still your own choice to use a car (thats just one of the reasons i would'nt work in industry and why i have an aversion to own or even use private motorized transport) moreover in this case weapons and cheats are indeed a good comparison because as ndR said: "deaths by guns aren't collateral", but there is absolutly no relation between the risk for yourself and the threat to others when using cars/weapons. the two categorys "cars" and "weapons" are incomparable in this aspect, "weapons" and "cheats" alot more similiar. and oh well, the foundation of most miltary technology was "initially made to push the boundaries" to stay in your words. and theres another thing about this. everyone who can somehow relate to terms as "humanism" would plead for stopping arms exports right away (giving cheats to the public, in case you didnt get the allegory). i guess it all comes down to if you are an asshole or do have some sense of morals (it seems you are applying for the first category)

VPEARL
08/08/2014 20:38:00

so, basically you're saying, cheats should be compared to weapons, because they both affect other ppl, whereas car crashes don't? Firstly, please re-think your point about that. A) Cheating doesn't cause physical damage B) Car-crashes involving third parties usually DO cause physical damage. Now, speaking of morals and humanism, what are morals? What is humanism? It's basically made up by us, humans. What are humans? Literally, we are an infection to earth. We're all using Computers, we're all using Microwaves, Refridgerators etc. etc. etc. So, basically, by living our Life the way we do every day, we are "hurting" (causing physical damage) towards the planet "Earth". So, morals or social boundaries are initially made up by humans, humans that do destroy things every day over and over. Please don't bring these kind of points into an argument like this, cuz it lacks major point unless you're living in the woods, hunting for your food and using self-garned blankets to warm yourself. You do realise, everyone of us is two-faced. There's just two different kind of people, the ones that don't give a fuck about their "social" face (Me) and the ones that pretend to be people that chase "humansim" and write "morals" above everything. Trust me, if any of you had the chance to get rich in any way, you'd do it no matter the cost. Every person has a number, the number is just different from one to another. Also, lack of maturity? You know what this lack of maturity is? Thinking a fucking online game can be compared to guns or wars or anything like that - also to think a fucking online game would be safe from cheats, rofl@u.

VPEARL
08/08/2014 20:40:00

Btw, forgot something to add. GGWP MOTHER RUSSIA)) CCCP CYKA. Juice wins, XJ loses. I heard, or wait, I'm fairly sure the soon-to-come rules involve cutting lose KZ 1.6, only accepting demos from KZMod and later on CS:GO KZ? Nice try XJ, guess what Juice is doing atm, learning reverse engineering, i.e. coding AC-Proof hacks for KZMod and CS:GO KZ :) have fun. You will never beat the dark side unless you put your "so valuable" morals aside ;)

knoxville
09/08/2014 00:10:00

wenn dieser kleine hurensohn nichtmal bald umgebracht wird dreh ich durch. ps. hi atl

k a f f e e
11/08/2014 12:09:00

"so, basically you're saying, cheats should be compared to weapons, because they both affect other ppl, whereas car crashes don't?" no, i'm saying they are both causing harm to other people in first place and at an uncomparable rate to cars. cheats spread at a high rate, infecting a whole community ONCE leaked (1-to-thousands) whearas MOST people driving a car never harm anybody in their whole life (1-to-0). also ofc there wont be physical damage in a virtual world, but still the behaviour of phenomena can be compared, thats actually the interesting point in alegorys and the reason you even want to use metaphorics (to simplify or abstract stuff to another level, or point at a certain attribute you are talking about, reducing one's view to this context) i can't believe someone really cant understand the nature and practise of metaphorics but he/she is able to write a superficially (rhetorical) profound comment about the topic. actually its quite obvious you are arguing to "win" and dont really try to understand points of your *opponents*. for this reason i will just briefly summarize some stuff now "Now, speaking of morals and humanism, what are morals [...] Please don't bring these kind of points into an argument like this, cuz it lacks major point unless you're living in the woods, hunting for your food and using self-garned blankets to warm yourself." at [...] you are bringing some nihilistic/constructivistic points and go for misanthropic conclusions. first you should get concerd with these philosophical trends, then check your own thinking against them (if it is really stringent from their assumptions). then you could get involved with other branches that are bringing solutions for problems of these trends. for example existentialism relativizes basic nihilistic problems, it concludes totally different (positiv) consequences in a very plausible manner. on another note, your thinking about the "human dissease" already involves very complex moral valueing torwards the human-planet-relation when at the same time you are negating the existence of morals beyond beeing a construct... anyways, also check what conclusion this is make you jump at and, for example, check what conesequences Adorno sees in "there is no right life in the wrong one" in comparison. Also your last sentence of this part is an argumentum ad hominem and not relevant to our discussion "You do realise, everyone of us is two-faced. There's just two different kind of people [...]" this part as a whole is absolut bullshit and i wont elaborate in detail you can maybe imagine that im not able to fully amplify my thoughts to your comment, also i dont think it is a really useful activity to do so but i gave you alot of references to continue and you should get concerd with this if you want to keep arguing about this stuff without lookin like an idiot. you dont need any qalification (in an educational sense) to do so

VPEARL
11/08/2014 23:13:00

kaffee, please elaborate how and in which way cheating causes harm to people here? I don't quite see why cheating is a bad thing. From my perspective it's a rather smart and economical thing other than playing legit. Let me tell you why, firstly, cheating gives you an advantage (speaking of XJ, it basically gives you a perfect skill set of perfect movement), thus getting WRs (what basically everyone, assuming so at least, is eager for) much, much quicker. Now, playing legit is "easy" compared to cheat "subtly", isn't it? Doesn't that make the cheater, who doesn't get caught far superior? In my opinion, it does. Now, further more, cheating saves a lot of time, time which could be spent in a different way. Now, let's pretend person A geeks 3 hours a day for a WR, a WR, that is basically worthless in life, now on the other hand there's Cheater B, Cheater B takes the very same WR in 10 minutes, means he's got 2:50h left, time that could be spent in a more productive way, e.g. working, studying or whatever. I know that you're most likely gonna counter-argument on that by saying "the cheater ruins the hard work by the legit player". I don't quite agree with that and I'm fairly sure I can use your philosophical argumentation on that. You, as a (wannabe) philosopher, probably agree that every human is ought to make free decisions, so, Player A decides to play legit whereas Player B decides to cheat, each of them made this decision on their own and free-willingy. Social boundaries initially forbid Player B the cheating, because it's "bad". So, don't you kind of agree, that this limits us in our free-will? I think it does. A short note on that car-comparison mate, once you get a job that requires you to drive 50.000 KM p.a. or more (like mine does), you'll probably get a different p.o.v. on that matter, just saying :) for further detail you're welcome to add me on Steam. Now, [..., your thinking about the "human dissease" already involves very complex moral ..] about that part, I think you saw a deeper sense in what I wrote than there actually is. What I meant was, that humans make up social boundaries, ethics etc. ALTHOUGH they destroy this planet day by day <- this last part of my sentence, that's what you got wrong. I wasn't talking about the complex moral valueing, I was rather stating facts, as I'm a person that likes facts ;). Destroying isn't something that you've necessarily got to connect with moral values, though. There's enough research of how our behaviour, our everyday-life affects the planet. At some point you were stating, that I brought up misantrophic conclusions, you are right about that. I do hate humans, or at least most of them. But that's mainly because I find most humans ridiculous because they are super easy to manipulate. For instance, I dislike most of the people here, because, let's face it, most of 'em are dumb. I do, somehow, respect you, because you seem to be quite educated, at least when it comes down to philosophic matters. Furtheron in your wall of text you stated, that I should get educated in these kind of things, I just wonder why? You're basically suggesting to get into philosophy, although I, personally, think philosophy is uber-shit. It's like, the most useless subject ever created. Why search for a deeper sense, when you can't actually change anything that surrounds you? I'd like you to elaborate on that, lol. Also, I kind of liked how you tried to make my last sentence of that one part look rabulistic, although it's not from my perspective. Especially you, as a self-proclaimed philosopher, should agree on that. You can't deny my argument in that particular case :). Now, as a conclusion, lemme put it this way: I think cheating doesn't harm anyone, I think it's a smart thing to do because it gives you superior advantage. Eat or get eaten, kind of. Furthermore I think I gotta clarify something towards you: I don't give a fuck about social boundaries, morals or anything in that way, I do what I enjoy to do and I never cared in life whether it gets me into trouble or not :). I'm fairly sure that I've got more life-experience than you do, otherwise you wouldn't hold onto philosophic-crap (sorry, but it is what it is, lol). ^ that's probably the reason why people think I'm an asshole, but as I said before, eat or get eaten at the end of the day it comes down to who had more fun ;)

VPEARL
11/08/2014 23:25:00

also, please re-itterate your 4th paragraph, it seems kinda out of place ;) ( less wikipedia maybe :) )

k a f f e e
12/08/2014 21:58:00

first of all, my last sentence wasnt meant to imply you have a lack of education, it was indeed quite unluckily formulated. but thanks alot for mentioning your degree, it makes your behaviour more reasonable to me. i guess from a scientific perspective business schools dont really fall into "education". also studying economics, finance, marketing and such makes it more evident how you can argue quite decently for total bullshit, since one needs this "skill" to justify the existence of this huge circle-jerking. anyways, i intended to say that philosophical thinking is detached from academical philosophy. actually most philosophy students i met were utter douchebags and i question the way philosophy is taught at university, but that doesnt imply philosophy itself should be considered shit or is just a purpose in itself (and i knew you would bring this up). when talking about morals the only way to handle a discussion not drifting into triviality is talking about the basics, asking philosophical questions, and your views on this topic are inconsistent. have some fun with this fact as from now on i wont elaborate anything. your recent argumentation involves very basic things i dont agree with, but i neither have the patients nor wish to clarify details, because i doubt there would be any potential knowledge acquisition on any side. because i know too much of you argumentative look-alikes from interviews, imageboards and other virtual media that you could tell me anything new about your definition of freedom, survival of the fittest and the usual liberal bullshit. and on the other side you are maybe even willing, but not able to understand my views since i assume it conflicts with basic characteristics of the homo assholeus

bornwinner
13/08/2014 13:10:00

let me summarise this for u - I win, you lose. But nice try, gotta admit. ALMOST had to concentrate :). Btw, liked your first part about the education-system regarding economics and stuff. Fun fact: We still earn more money than anyone else ;)

Brink1
08/08/2014 10:54:00

If hes making hacks for fun, why are he making them undetectable theres just one reason for that, hes that kind of guy who just want to destroy and then lieing about it to sound like a good guy. Well in my eyes your just dirt you ****** ****!

ShoCkrecord holder Tournament #2 VIP
08/08/2014 11:18:00

boiled beet?

k a f f e e
08/08/2014 11:47:00

well thats obviously part of the 'challenge'. cool you wish him a "bad life" because his views differs on a absolutly discussible point. i wont elaborate the moral responsibillitys of developing technology in detail, but actually his work could be a huge contribution to the evolvement of xj on the anti-cheat side, if there is a decent opponent in xj staff... just consider that it is very unlikely that he's the only one able to develope temporary undetectable hacks

finzer
08/08/2014 15:59:00

the technology evolves and developes whilst the morality stagnates. some might say it has actually resulted in its degradation. to the book kaffee suggested, i'd recommend you also to read "a discourse on the moral effects of the arts and sciences" by rousseau. obviously you don't have to agree with everything said in it, but it might give you another perspective on the topic. its always important to "think against yourself".

Ovidiu Dumitru
08/08/2014 18:11:00

Cars are made as a form of transportation. Even super/hyper cars like bugatti, lamborghini, ferrari, pagani, koeniggsegg, corvette etc. Every car company promotes "always drive safe, wear your seatbelt and obey the rules of the road". I dont see any cheater or cheat creator saying "use cheats for your personal satisfaction without altering the lives of others". If you want to experience the adrenaline of fast cars, there are special tracks for this, away and safe from public roads. I dont see any cheater or cheat creator building your own community/site where you can experience playing with cheats together with only cheaters. It wouldnt be fair if i battle with a lamborghini against a renault, would it? But yeah, everyone of us has its own role in this community and we all contribute with one thing or another.

WeMeRA
08/08/2014 18:32:00

After I read all this my brain started to melt. Got only a few seconds to live.

Nikita
08/08/2014 19:56:00

Nooo wemera! :'(

PepoMerca
08/08/2014 20:28:00

great!

Keo mapper
08/08/2014 23:16:00

ndR said it well...

lagster mapper
09/08/2014 01:03:00

nice I really wish you asked him more, super interesting, or at least polished his answers up a little cause it was very difficult to read and had no flow what so-ever.

chrizZo
09/08/2014 10:52:00

Great entertainment. Luckily I didn't miss this. " i guess it all comes down to if you are an asshole or do have some sense of morals " - kfe 2014, gettin rougher

A3TIUS
10/08/2014 22:09:00

Nice Read ! I'd sure love to read what he'd have to say regarding "cheats" 5 years down the line. It'd be all the more interesting then :)

7yue
11/08/2014 20:01:00

what a genius man! u should pay more efforts on more challenging stuffs.

sensa
13/08/2014 14:56:00

Why is everyone talking about cars and then about existentialist nonsense? Some people here would be idolizing that guy, while not realizing how much he's contributed to the discontinuation of the KZ format (even if he himself thinks otherwise).