Illegal demos

By FAME·
Hello community,

Last week we asked you for your opinion regarding +use scripts usage and we finally took a decision. It was not an easy decision and like it or not, it had to be done. Current 119 illegal records are going to be replaced with legal ones as they do not obey the following rule:

You are not allowed to use any script or metamod or amxx plugins that give you an advantage to other jumpers.

For several years this rule was ignored by demo admins, but it always was forbidden to use any kind of +use scripts or macros.

Also, we found 7 more demos which do not obey next rule:

It is strictly forbidden to change your keys/binds/aliases during a run, they must be set before you start the timer.

They will be replaced with legal demos as well.

The +use bind on scroll remains allowed, but only in case if you did not rebind your keys during a run. All other ways of +use spam are strictly restricted.

It will take us some time to restore old demos, hopefully it will be done untill tomorrow. As soon as we finish restoring old demos we will be ready to post a demo release, which most likely will happen on Saturday, so stay tuned.

Best regards,
XJ Staff

Read the extended news post for demos that going to be removed.

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08/05/2015 10:58:00

Holy fuck

08/05/2015 11:00:00

u real rip

08/05/2015 11:04:00

that's a lot of demos. bibika got it bad

08/05/2015 11:06:00

lol :D

08/05/2015 11:07:00

Bibika 27 and g-Lp 17 demos #rekt.

08/05/2015 22:19:00

When I reached my limit in KZ I had 27 official WR's similtaniously. This took me years and years to get. I was a slow recorder, not as talented as a lot of other players, but seriously, years and years. I can't believe how it must feel like to have 27 demos removed all at once. Most definitely a tough blow, since you've spent the most important thing you have on it, time.

08/05/2015 11:07:00

byebye :D kz

08/05/2015 11:13:00

rip bibika :s

08/05/2015 11:14:00

Let me get this straight : u can't use the +use bind anymore ?

08/05/2015 11:16:00

"+use scripts" huge difference

08/05/2015 11:26:00

Yeah well I was thinking of the script attached to the bind +use ... Since it's a kind of spam and it says [b]restricted[/b] !

08/05/2015 13:27:00

it should be legal for axn ones

08/05/2015 15:11:00

can't agree more about axn

08/05/2015 11:19:00

RIP in peace kropeq [*]

08/05/2015 11:39:00

ouch. i feel for the players affected by this. kudos to fame tho, had to be done

08/05/2015 11:41:00

its to hard to detect all demos.[b] HARD WORK FAME!!![/b]

08/05/2015 11:57:00

What in the actual... I mean I can't even!! ... WHAT!!!!?!!?? That's like 1/5 of all demos!?!?!?!?!? shnz, bib, kropeq and many more "champs"! How in the... What a crying damn shame.

08/05/2015 14:44:00

They are not illegal..admins are being stupid here with this title shiting over recorders.. They remove demos because such binds are more complicated for them to check and detect something so they go on easy way to just delete what they cant check... PLZ dont consider any1 from that list cheater..they are not...admins allowed such demos and now they deleted recorders time wasted on lan ....really great

09/05/2015 18:13:00

No that's important too, that XJ recognizes that it's actually not the jumpers fault! It's one big misunderstanding! But still it's important to look at the fact that it was illegal though, and even though jumpers has gotten a freepass in the past, it still a broken rule - And even though the number is completely overwhelming, I don't know if I'd rather have XJ let these jumpers have a consistent advantadge over others. I think it's necesarry to accomplish an even playing field. And again, think of all the jumpers who goes by default, this is for them and for everyone who wants to record in the future.

08/05/2015 11:57:00

But really GJ admins!!!

08/05/2015 12:07:00

Amazing work fame, analyzing more than a thousand demos. Well done.

08/05/2015 12:30:00

What now script shitusers? EleGiggle

08/05/2015 12:34:00

Now what?

08/05/2015 12:38:00

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08/05/2015 12:39:00

i agree with the restrict of +use, but don't remove the 119 demos, that's a disaster to most active record holders and they'll lost interest of recording, since it took nights or even weeks to record a demo, they record by +use because it's leggal in the old days, and this is not "give you an advantage to other jumpers", cuz everyone can use this script. again, 1/5 demos of the site, it's a disaster to the active wrers

08/05/2015 13:28:00

+50 for this comment...there in that time it was legal so why would you delete it when its already accepted..dont understand this xj's decision....

08/05/2015 13:36:00

It never was legal.

08/05/2015 14:15:00

okay but can you show to us (or just me) where have you (community) said it in the past?

08/05/2015 15:33:00

yes it used to be legal which is why the demos were accepted

08/05/2015 15:57:00

So if it wasn't legal before, that means that XJ accepted & shared illegal "cheated" demos. Well, nice job

08/05/2015 12:42:00

seems more like a personal revenge but w/e

08/05/2015 14:23:00

Indeed

08/05/2015 12:56:00

aRE YOU REALLY GOING to remove all those demos?

08/05/2015 13:05:00

I feel bad for the guys who lost their demos, but this had to be done. The demo admins should not have accepted these demos in the first place, and this is the outcome, unfortunately. I know it may be simple for me to say this, since i lost the least amount of demos:D but this is the right decision. Good job for checking all the demos fame and everyone involved.

08/05/2015 13:31:00

It had to be done sooner or later, rules are rules. Ofcourse fame and the administration knew how this would be recieved. A dangerous but perhaps necessary. It's again a clear message from this administration, no form of outside advantadge can be tolerated. Cheaters beware! They'll catch you ;)

08/05/2015 13:05:00

lol don't do it ... fame pls xj pls

08/05/2015 13:07:00

You should not have done this ... just require not to use it in the future ...

08/05/2015 13:21:00

As elITe^ said, these demos should not have been accepted in the first place, the mistake was simply corrected, nothing else happened here. Stop crying for the lost records, because if you did them before you can do them again.

08/05/2015 16:42:00

thats teoreticaly and in practice true, but do you think anybody would do that? no - becouse why would someone waste a lot of hours to do some map which he has already done it...

08/05/2015 13:28:00

Oh my GOD. Now we know for SURE that LEWLY will remain at number 1 till the end of XJ ! Bibika , glp , aloprando , ducu shnz and even the chinese guys on d2block_h and sandblock2 ...if those demos are going to be removed most likely most of the jumpers in cause will not record anymore. I know rules are rules and it should be followed...but man there are so many demos..and crazy demos aswell. I will respect XJ decision even if they decide to remove the demos but in my opinion it should be better to not accept from now on any more demos with these kind of things (changing the aliases , binds etc etc etc).

08/05/2015 13:36:00

yep i agree...even if someone ask me, if i was shNz/LEWLY/Bibika (or anyone who really geeked) i WONT record anymore for sure, no matter if thats need to be done...who said it then? nobody, cuz it was okay to record with it...so [b]why should they suffer[/b] (dont know other word) [b]your mistake [/b] ? [b]***[/b]can any admins tell me why that script cant be used on AXN Maps? yea they are KZ maps, but not the classical, and with playing AXN maps you are not too serious, it is just for fun..yea also normal kz is for fun, but this is a lot funnier and a little more relaxing than classical climbing...yea judge me but thats my attitude and i wont change it

08/05/2015 13:39:00

We lost no only the 119 demos, but the record holders also...

08/05/2015 13:54:00

You discouraged everyone to record again those maps, not only talking about axn maps but all those maps.... You accepted demos that were supposed to be rejected and who got it right in his butt, it's records holders, congratz :D

08/05/2015 13:56:00

[blockquote]The +use bind on scroll remains allowed[/blockquote] well, who unbind duck or jump bind for using +use?:/

11/05/2015 19:13:00

me

08/05/2015 13:57:00

Bad fucking decision. The consequences from your own demo admins mistakes should not be passed onto the players like this. I'm not worried about the amount of demos lost, I'm worried about the amount of motivation you just killed for a lot of people.

08/05/2015 14:16:00

yep, agree also with this

08/05/2015 14:15:00

I would suggest that everyone should use 1 specific plugin for recording without changing anything nor adding, that way it would be more appropriate for ppl to make WRs in "legal way", but it has to cover all kind of needed things. Anyways once again well done.

08/05/2015 14:16:00

This had to be done. BUT I have a suggestion Remove demos where +use script really made an advantage, but keep the demos where there was no advantage with +use (like synergy_x, Bibika beat LEWLY in like 30 secs, it wouldn't matter if he had the +use script off) 2nd BUT Do the approximation, like, remove 0,5 secs (max) from each demo that uses +use script This might be imprecise, but it's better than removing them all IMHO.

08/05/2015 14:22:00

this is interesting comment.....especially for these huge/hard maps...demochecker possibly know how hard is that map (like synergy_x), so maybe you can add one group of maps where it can (i mean its already done) be done with +use scroll script...like, okay remove these very short maps (possibly theres some) but make a troop of hard maps which can be allowed with this script.......show some humanity to demotivated recorders...

08/05/2015 14:46:00

nice thought indeed

08/05/2015 15:08:00

agree with that

08/05/2015 15:14:00

great idea

08/05/2015 16:19:00

Even not 0.5 sec, but recount all times taking first +use as start and last +use as finish. But it will be very hard and loooong work, I don't think anyone would want to spent his time on doing this.

08/05/2015 16:20:00

agree too

08/05/2015 21:02:00

Yes, I agree totaly, I thinkg that would be the best...

08/05/2015 21:56:00

this is a very good idea and i truly hope something like this will happen instead. i've gotten some perspective reading all these comments and i, too, realize that 119 is a ridiculously big amount of demos. removing all of them would be extremely detrimental to the recording scene.

10/05/2015 15:52:00

Great idea, admin pls see this...dont kill xj :(

08/05/2015 14:18:00

Wtf? This isn't normal, to be honest i would lost the fucking motivation to record demos ever again for XJ if i had same amount of records removed like bibika had. I thought you just will put this rule but not remove demos. Cmon XJ, you fucking RIP!! GUYS GO COSY!!!!!!!!!!!!

09/05/2015 14:20:00

i liked your answer till "go cozy"

08/05/2015 14:35:00

Hey admins. You are late with Prima Aprilis I think.

08/05/2015 14:52:00

Admins just wants clear game like anyone but i think it's too late. better late than never :) Cheaters kill KZ , that's it.... So sad for Bibika, g-Lp, aloprando, kropeq, shNz

08/05/2015 14:52:00

so sad for wr holders, but i think it's right decision

08/05/2015 14:56:00

rofl. bb kz

08/05/2015 14:56:00

So this is how it ends. LEWLY at the top till the final days of xj and the only other guys who were even close to reaching the top will now stop recording. Really good job xj. (At least I'm happy for LEWLY )

08/05/2015 14:59:00

uhm, When this "bind" was never allowed. Why are they not banned or warned??

08/05/2015 15:31:00

Bigest mistake from XJ what i ever seen.... R.I.P.

08/05/2015 15:43:00

This.. R.I.P.

08/05/2015 20:32:00

You guys crack me up... How about some perspective... ;D? Think about all the jumpers going default, what about them? This is a reward to their work.

09/05/2015 13:41:00

agree..

08/05/2015 15:40:00

WTF are you serious? 119 demos?

08/05/2015 15:51:00

Don't do this fame :( the scene is half dead anyway please don't kill it further :(

08/05/2015 15:58:00

serious ^^

08/05/2015 16:01:00

I dont see any advantage with +use on cg_d2block_h, do you?

08/05/2015 16:21:00

you ill probably get a message from admin: ''rules are rules" but fu*k the rules for that (and some other) maps

08/05/2015 16:01:00

GJ

08/05/2015 16:34:00

I CAN SAY AFTER YEARS ACTUALLY AFTER ZHADY RETIRED : KZ IS ALIVE. GOOD JOB XJ.

08/05/2015 16:42:00

sweet, didn't know that I had 5 demos recorded without the bind

08/05/2015 17:10:00

What about loop keys? I'm pretty sure there's loop keys on mouses these days, as well as page up and down are loop keys. You need to mention them as well. Pretty much all that doesn't get mentioned = loop holes that people can use. So +use is not allowed on loop keys imo.

08/05/2015 17:14:00

Guess it should have read it all the way through: All other ways of +use spam are strictly restricted. But i would still recommend mentioning loop keys. Also spamming E (normal button you have the +use bind on) must be allowed when recording. Atm it's easy to think that it isn't: All other ways of +use spam are strictly restricted.

08/05/2015 17:15:00

thanks for destroying kz

08/05/2015 17:41:00

Goodbye Xj, had a great time here. Goodluck for all of you :)

08/05/2015 17:52:00

stupid descision, this will xj hurt more than helping it. Remove 119 demos of a community that's near the edge anyway. I doubt all of the former record holders will record their demos again.

08/05/2015 18:00:00

ITS LOL

08/05/2015 18:13:00

GJ FAME

08/05/2015 18:18:00

kz_cg_lost_castle by sparkEE 03:36.49 its legal?

08/05/2015 22:16:00

why would it not be legal?

08/05/2015 23:19:00

i think it got some illegal binds but i dunno :S

08/05/2015 18:31:00

gj fame but too bad for recordholders :( many demos involved

08/05/2015 18:41:00

Atleast keep those, and you could say from now on the ones with "scripts" won't be allowed. I mean, deleting them, cmon...

08/05/2015 18:45:00

KZ is experiencing hard days, but this.... just will achieve KZ and kill....=(

08/05/2015 18:55:00

OMG..

08/05/2015 19:04:00

Totally disagree with this situation, but it's true that demos with +use script never should have been accepted. Done the mistake, this should be continue with the +use script legal. I think the advantage that gives isn't really big because are only miliseconds (well, maybe for short maps or axn maps you can do an exception, but it would be a hard and confusing work) and all the players can access only binding it. Is really sad and a bit unfair for many recordholders that XJ delete his WR's that were won by many seconds, like synergy_x, because I understand that the script doesn't give any advantage IN THIS CASE. Besides, I don't think that this decision could affect the spirit of the recordholders. For some people is a motivation to submit demos.

09/05/2015 06:58:00

You're pathetic, follow crying....

09/05/2015 20:05:00

sobala gil

08/05/2015 21:07:00

rest in peace xj, the official kreedz community

08/05/2015 21:09:00

whats next, making mwheel jump/duck illegal?

08/05/2015 21:17:00

I've been here like 8-9 years. I've never seen anything like this. From what I can remember.

08/05/2015 21:17:00

I mean this is like the biggest newstory in KZ history.

08/05/2015 21:20:00

good job :)

08/05/2015 21:48:00

Why? I dont agree with this decision, its not a cheat... everyone can use it because everyone has a keyboard and a mouse. Whats the point of destroying this big amount dems and motivation? Guys come on, make it back, i feel bad for everyone who spend his time recording and because of a simple shit script e use gonnna be all removed. It non-sense!! Its not an advantage its like bhoppping with scroll instead of keyboard, the same thing, everyone can do it you dont need nothing special. So i dont agree.

09/05/2015 12:38:00

Saying that everyone can use it, is definitely not a valid point. Everyone can search for bhop hack or slowmo hack on google, so should that be legal?. Anyway, the big problem is that they started accepting demos with that bind in the first place, so people thought it was actually legal to use. I do agree that this descision had to be done, however it's really sad for the recordes that spend so much time archieving their wrs. I really hope XJ compensate, and just add 0,5 sec to the records or something like that. Mainly because the in my opinion it's not the wr holders, that has done a mistake here, but the XJ organization accepting demos like this in the first place.

08/05/2015 21:52:00

meh

08/05/2015 23:24:00

bye bye kz.

08/05/2015 23:29:00

Bye bye XJ

08/05/2015 23:33:00

Oh, thanks guys for beating my long demos with that useless "script" not i got them back huehue

08/05/2015 23:35:00

now*

08/05/2015 23:58:00

no problem mate, cursed is back for you, without that bind i couldn't have beat it!

08/05/2015 23:36:00

''script''? kkk bad decision xj, the comeback is not real

08/05/2015 23:38:00

rip in peace kz

09/05/2015 00:13:00

B R A V O F A M E R R A A V V O O F F A A M M E E

09/05/2015 00:29:00

rip kz gg fame

09/05/2015 00:42:00

the day fame killed kz

09/05/2015 00:57:00

fukin shit

09/05/2015 02:16:00

Why not start a vote to decide which demos should be deleted :( well,rules are rules.

09/05/2015 02:28:00

Well to be honest i think this decision is really bad. Of course you think i am saying this because i'd lose all of my demos. Of course it is a really bad feeling. Maybe you think it is not a big deal to achieve wr on a small map, but i tell you i geeked kz_man_congo for more weeks , 2-3 hours daily.... I never used any amx or metamod plugins. Ye i used switchbind but nothing metamod amxx shit. faker made a poll about it and it was okay back THEN... And to be honest, just show me one player who made it without switchbind... Everyone uses up/down to jump/duck so it is impossible to do it without switchbind, and i dont think it is an advantage, you have to practice to switch it during run in milliseconds... (except the metamod or whatever is that...). And my opinion about democheckers : If you guys were lazy back then, then dont fuck with us, because it is your fault guys, you weren't enough precise, but it is not our fault. We worked really hard on those records, and it will be really unfair remove those, just because you guys didn't checked everything well IN TIME. One thing is sure. Kz is dying, but if you make this decision final, it will be more inactive. In my case if you remove my demos i never will try to beat any demos,wont even visit this site, even open counter-strike 1.6, and i think i am not the only one... And i would tell you an example from real life. If you are on the University and your mate telling you the answers or you just copy his solution (so you get advantage) and the teacher dont find it out in time, and you finish the B.Sc.. If the teacher finds out after years that you got advantage previously, then he dont have the right to suspend your B.Sc. after you finished it. It was his fault that he wasnt enough attentive... I think the best decision is that , where you deny any demos in the future FROM THIS DAY which contains any of those things written above...

09/05/2015 17:58:00

Agree! We need to listen opinions from these players, old ones, also who lost their demos here....but we, who only watch these demos can say everything (becouse we dont know how hard is it to improve nomatter how many secs/mins on map) so any admin will be confused... Big plus for that example...admins probably wont reply on that your comment, like some other, but we (i) hope for better and responsible admins here..

09/05/2015 02:41:00

http://xtreme-jumps.eu/e107_plugins/poll/oldpolls.php?96

09/05/2015 14:36:00

This actually proves that you were in your right to record with it. It was allowed?!

09/05/2015 14:44:00

Yes i had the right, i was who asked faker to make a poll about it. He made it the result was yes but i dont know maybe he forgot to update this part in rules...

09/05/2015 18:25:00

Yeah like Ovidu said, it was just a poll. There was no official rulechange, must have been a mistake almost?! I'm sorry for your lost records but I think it's important on a site like this to maintain the rules, even under this much pressure. Some of the best decisions made, were the hardest to do.

09/05/2015 19:46:00

Yeah, but when do you make a poll? When you don't want to make a decision on your own.

09/05/2015 19:52:00

I understand your frustration, it's definitely a murky situation for both wr holders and xj too, they didn't want to be in this position you know. It's all one big misunderstanding based off of that poll...

09/05/2015 03:12:00

+1, good decision! :)

09/05/2015 03:33:00

useless guys, come on xd

09/05/2015 06:34:00

who asked for this

09/05/2015 08:29:00

Can pack all the illegal demos ? I don't want see anything else, thx

09/05/2015 08:36:00

What a lack of respect for all the time our jumper passed to record their demo, i say that because this is absolutly not their fault but only yours, admins. This is fucking sad tbh

09/05/2015 18:00:00

true

09/05/2015 23:58:00

Lack of respect? ROFL the player himself had no respect against the rules in the first place no matter what somebody says is allowed or not, you should know the rules yourself instead of asking others. Its the fault of both not just the admins

09/05/2015 09:09:00

Just buy keyboard with scroll noobs xDDDDD which sucks!!! hahaha its time to change amx plugins to allow measure time with trigger_multiple.. and act like normal other games (not only computer ones ;)) ps: and do not say it is a big problem

09/05/2015 18:01:00

you say this because you dont record.

11/05/2015 21:07:00

I dont, you are right but not because I dont record. Its because I want that "timer" change in maps. It drives me nuts to push a button while jumping on the first block.

09/05/2015 11:23:00

You kill the already dying community...

09/05/2015 12:43:00

Everything and everyone is dying. People started talking about xj was dying 5 years ago. We are still here and this is just another drama people will forget in a couple of weeks.

10/05/2015 05:08:00

Just because we forget about it, and maybe don't really give a f*ck (like me) but that doesn't mean that the decision made is right in its absolute. Maybe the staff should be a little more flexible about this. BTW I didn't really understand how those "scripts" affected the run, but if it's just like pressing the "E" really fast.. well then the vee_nintendo WR isn't mine.

09/05/2015 12:11:00

i'm gonna post again because i can't help but feel furious about this. i want to ask you a question admins, did you overthink the consequences that this could have? you can see the comments already being full of dissapointment, you destroying a community that is already on the brink of exctinction. i actually had mixed opinions about this, but after seeing the http://xtreme-jumps.eu/e107_plugins/poll/oldpolls.php?96 that skizo posted, i feel that you really screwed up on this one. and is this really all because you didn't have the proper tools to check the demos recorded in the recent maps? you couldn't find anyone to make you these tools? you take away 117 demos, in most of which it doesn't even make a damn difference if the player has the +use script or not. this is absolutely absurd and i hope you come to your senses.

09/05/2015 12:56:00

119, my bad

09/05/2015 12:27:00

my wood back :D

09/05/2015 14:39:00

"You are not allowed to use any script or metamod or amxx plugins that give you an advantage to other jumpers." This rule ist just fcking important. Thx for making the first step. I really feel bad for recorders, but those are advantages. Imo even those Bhop pre and other pre stuff should be removed , same as those demos with exact time in run. Could ppl use it in 06? NO. And yes , your right, admins were lazy back then, allowed 1 demo with an advantage , so everyone started it. Too bad u have to take the blame now.

09/05/2015 16:45:00

It's like a very bad joke. A lot of people wasted hours/days recording those demos, and now you come and say that this ones are illegal? No, man, you can't change rules this way. You simply can't. You're disrespecting people, shitting in them. That's pathetic. It doesn't affect me, I did not record for XJ, but I think its pretty unfair for those who did. Bad work XJ, another dissappointment.

09/05/2015 18:02:00

''aplauses'' plz

09/05/2015 20:41:00

gj fame #dealwithit #respecttherules #every1gettingrekt finally someone is moving his ass in here, i mean, its sad to see all this wasted time and effort that has been put in here, but it is an advantage that everyone had been awared of, i guess if they could record those demos once, they can do it again, but this time, as it should be

09/05/2015 23:53:00

all the whining rofl.. just because an admin allowed you to use the +use script in demos doesnt mean it was actually allowed in the rules, so the player should have known better and followed the rules nomatter what an admin says. Both parties are at fault. I honestly dont care how much time ppl put into their demos, if their stupid enough to not follow the rules just because someone says its ok to break them its their own fault. Would you use cheats/hacks in a tournament aswell if an admin would tell you its ok eventho it was against the rules ?

10/05/2015 00:40:00

okay...but if you ask for cheat/hack i would not, becouse it is bhop hack, kzHack ect..slow mo...but here, we are ttalking about +use on the scroll...how it helped kropequ on 35+min long map ? yea +use script helped 0.5 sec for him...

11/05/2015 12:40:00

cheat is a cheat no matter how big or small

10/05/2015 04:54:00

Come on guys, we are a small community here.. I think that if anyone thinks that this decision is completely right has never feel the desmotivation of seeing all the hard work you've made useless, the kz scene may loose some of the most talented jumpers just because of this. If you want to make something about those rules don't remove all those demos, remain them and make sure the next ones comply the rules: If i am not wrong the +use jump just allows you to save 00.xx secs not that much of a difference it doesn't even influence in the run (for example I don't now how that bind would help in a map like darkblock_H.. such a long hard map beaten by 1 minute). I really hope the staff reconsider this decision and maybe save some of those demos.

10/05/2015 06:09:00

oh man poor bibika

10/05/2015 09:22:00

rip xj

11/05/2015 18:59:00

Idk why u don't make a poll for this. After all everyone must reconcile with the vote of majority.

12/05/2015 14:14:00

bad news xj sux :/

13/05/2015 03:34:00

This is a good way to kill the community. You're taking thousands of hours of spent by the best KZ players out there for granted. The demos that had the +use script should've never been accepted in the first place, but you've already let people use it for way too long to change your mind now. The difference the script makes is negligible compared to how removing these demos will affect these players.

14/05/2015 21:16:00

h0pbl0ck is alive!!! Dates looks messed up on most demos tho, sneak a peak at when the files were created :)

16/05/2015 13:57:00

Now remove demos where people use in-game timer. It should be also against rules, yeh? Ps. Oh, and after that, don't forget to remove xj too.