First Apprentice Maps Release!

By KarLi mapper·
Hello XJ community,

Welcome to another map release, with our first batch of Apprentice Maps coming in hot off the presses for you guys to jump through and enjoy. As it is with the theme behind these maps, most long-time players will find little resistance while progressing through each of the levels. It was our vision to have these maps act as XJ's own resident front-men in welcoming all new, as well as lower-skilled level players. We hope you'll agree these first three maps did an excellent job of achieving this goal; so without further delay, here are our inaugural Apprentice Maps:

UPDATE: After thoroughly going through your thoughts, the community, we realised that somewhere along the road we made a mistake. This event, Year of the Apprentice, was initiated with the intent to help newcomers feel more welcome into this community. It was also made to give mappers a chance to represent the XJ community by having their maps carry our community tag, xj_. We feel like this is a very powerful tag, distinct to kz_ in a way that it directly represents the XJ community. Consequently, all the maps that will feature the Apprentice theme will be named xj_ap_mapname. All of them are great maps in their own way and we can't wait for you to enjoy them. We also apologize for any incovenience this might cause to the record holders which already recorded. Don't give up!

KarLi: I would like to apologize for the confusion of this map release. We gave KZ tags for 2 maps but at the same time all of these 3 maps should have been released only with xj_ap tag according to the Apprentice Maps theme. We have removed the KZ tag from Hollywood and Matsuo to be fair with the rest of the maps and upcoming releases. I apologize for the inconvenience.



xj_ap_hollywood by SadPuppy
Challenge: Apprentice
Type: Climb

Description: Can you say originality? This is the type of map that other mappers will take one look at and say "why didn't I think of that?!" That's right, one of the western hemisphere's most iconic symbols of pop culture is now climbable- all thanks to SadPuppy. This map may be short but it is no typical speed map. Expect to see some classic Kreedz featured in each of the giant letters on this segmented cliff-style climb map.

Screenshots:
Hollywood Screenshot1
Hollywood Screenshot2
Hollywood Screenshot3



xj_ap_matsuo by jaquarBR

Challenge: Apprentice
Type: Climb

Description: To anyone who has played jaguar's map kz_kz-endo_yamatai, playing through this newest map of his might evoke a sense of Déjà vu. That is because the theme- and most of the map's components were copied over from the former to the latter. Not only did the environment come out of retirement, but so did the mapper himself to create this speed-map masterpiece. Quick and easy, but a whole lot of fun, and you'll find the visuals to be crisp and colorful.

Screenshots:
Matsuo Screenshot 1
Matsuo Screenshot 2
Matsuo Screenshot 3



xj_ap_abyss by Leffe_L
Challenge: Apprentice
Type: Climb

Description: Leffe's apprentice map may not have the most visually-dazzling environment; with its clean yet simple industrial theme. But it does hit the nail on the head for what we were looking for in an Apprentice map. A perfect speed map for veteran players, and a fantastic representation of what Kreedz has to offer for any new player.

Screenshots:
Abyss Screenshot 1
Abyss Screenshot 2
Abyss Screenshot 3

We'd like to thank tIdAL_WaVE-iKz-, Fantasm, SadPuppy and the rest who helped us make this release happen.

Regards,
XJ Mapcheck Team

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27/05/2017 13:13:00

I can't facking get it, so we can do WR's only on kz_xj_ap_hollywood and kz_xj_ap_matsuo but xj_ap_abyss will be a map we can only play on public servers? (server admins so lazy nowadays..so do not expect this)

27/05/2017 13:35:00

You can do WR's wherever you want my friend.. its not about WR's the apprentice is for very new people who want to play something that they can finish etc without all these difficulties of over 90% of the whole climb maps

27/05/2017 13:38:00

Good.

nice :)

27/05/2017 16:03:00

Enjoyable map jaguar, however not very keen on the design.

28/05/2017 03:47:00

Thanks <3

27/05/2017 18:34:00

I mean thanks for the maps and I really appreciate the effort of everyone participating in this but how is hollywood a kz_ map?

27/05/2017 21:11:00

xj_ap_abyss deservs it more but well a mappersname says more than layout or textures on kztag nowdays

27/05/2017 20:34:00

Like "Can you say originality? This is the type of map that other mappers will take one look at and say "why didn't I think of that?!" whaaat? Would agree on that with shock. Also feels like he spent x5 more time on bonus rooms that on the map. No offence, don't be sad, puppy

28/05/2017 01:34:00

Good job mappers, I've only tried Matsuo so far and it was cool, I will check the rest later :)

28/05/2017 02:20:00

i really enjoyed xj_ap_abyss & kz_xj_ap_matsuo. firstly shame on you admins that you denied Leffe_L the kztag. jaquarBR you made matsuo perfect, simple and plain design nothing that special but the origin point comes from the setting which reminds me off that released non timer version of naturaltemple from me. If you are still interested in the asianstyle, maybe we can work something out for the unfinished naturaltemple. lastly wtf is wrong with you guys on hollywood. that doesn't even deserv's kztag. everything what SadPuppy had previously commented and denied on other submissions and older contests is packed in this piece of **** if we look back criticism on map borders were risen by him that maps shouldn't end with a plain skybox around the map: " It feels unrealistic if the player stops infront of the sky" also some light settings on maps had been criticised/denied because of it dullness and lack of shadows. why can't you guys stick with the truth that if you have an admin position or knows the mapcheck team you can release every crap. I am feeling sorry for the other maps which might be following be happy that you got submissions because of such decisions again. Anyway good luck with your late attempts to make it alive.

28/05/2017 03:39:00

Thanks man ! <3 sure just add me on steam http://steamcommunity.com/id/azsymtfaa we can talk about that tomorrow

28/05/2017 09:04:00

dEMolite u only come on this forum to judge and criticise! What a great person you are... if you want to suggest something before any releases happen YOU SHOULD CONTACT US, but yeah you are too smart to do that for XJ anymore i guess. Hollywood is a great map and has a proper theme and deserved KZ tag if u think u can make something better please do. We didnt deny Leffe's KZ tag, we talked with Leffe and he is fine with the way it is released. Have fun with your negativity lol!

28/05/2017 18:26:00

you learn nothing the past years? well like i said before why do you fucking care and taking it everytime personally.... this criticism is at the right place/spot, since he had criticism and denied maps like his hollywood map. if you can't judge straight from designing decision, you are on the wrong admin position.

29/05/2017 02:56:00

I'm trying really hard not to feed the troll. As far as I know, XJ has always accepted SKY as a way to block off a map. At least that's what I've been told. Personally I don't like it and I try to avoid it. For this map I felt it was unavoidable and other solutions would feel and look odd. I tried putting up a fence, but boxing in a part of the hillside like that looked really ugly so I gave up and accepted a world wall this time. My understanding is that most people don't care anyway. If you place jumps so you can't fall down due to SKY then I should complain, otherwise I probably make a note and suggest a change. If you are saying I have denied a map due to SKY then please enlighten me to which map it was please. I am sure such a map had other issues. You ask why KarLi cares and takes it personally? Perhaps it is caused by you. You always complain and you make it personally. If you know so much about what I have criticized in other maps, then perhaps you also know how much complaints I have got? How many things I have had to change or remove in maps? Mapchecking on XJ, especially for kz tag, has been set too high and not all checking has been 'fair' (it has been dependant on who checked and their personal taste).

29/05/2017 03:52:00

Where i was personally? I just try to point out the mistakes from the past which are now clearly abandoned. Its just Karli's fault if he takes it personally. I appreciate it that you made a statement about it but doesn't justifies the kztag

02/06/2017 17:49:00

There's no CLEAR standard for kz_ maps. The system cant be perfect, people will still consider "friendship" being above their own rules/requirements. I realised that few years back and I'm shocked you that you didn't ... oldschool & pretty involved. + weren't the requirements lowered like 2 years ago?

03/06/2017 03:05:00

they were but maps like that would had been still denied. but anyway who cares nowdays.

28/05/2017 04:19:00

i think sadpuppy's map gets a pass because it wasn't made for this event; it just happened to meet the criteria. the map is fact was made and un-touched from years and years ago

28/05/2017 09:05:00

Exactly, people who have maps / old projects etc can transform their maps to 'apprentice' and submit them too!

29/05/2017 20:56:00

The point is the map doesn't deserve kz_ tag, doesn't matter when it was made. About the sky issue of the map, this could have been avoided if you used plain black texture instead...

30/05/2017 18:46:00

"About the sky issue of the map, this could have been avoided if you used plain black texture instead..." Huh? How exactly would that help? Simulate pitch black night and that you don't dare move? Somewhere in the darkness you would still bump your head on a wall...no?

30/05/2017 20:49:00

No, i mean something like on fu_extreme or kzro_darkfury or many other maps like that... So you could light the map with normal lights just the way it is now, and make the surrounding black. It would have looked way better that way. I liked the music, is that you singing?

unlike the maps you named, this map is not abstract and a black background instead of skybox would harm the impression. Please google some pictures of hollywood hills to see where this idea came from :)

31/05/2017 02:13:00

I know how the real Hollywood hills look like, the ground in the map is not even close to the real thing. It would have looked better with the abstract black, and the ground textures fade to black. If I can decompile the map I'll do it tomorrow, just to see how it looks :)

then try it with kz_emblem and kz_arcdetriomphe too. The result should be the same :)

31/05/2017 11:04:00

So I did it, took like 30 min, here's some pics. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ZfWXz8G4du4/WS6Gg2EADpI/AAAAAAACYQk/-TMX1ozrrgsPC5eh99bjFQ7Ov_R2Y1VrwCLcB/s0/kz_xj_ap_hollywood0000.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NgJitqxqIUg/WS6GhGRKW3I/AAAAAAACYQo/qoLZjt6Bo6gXpHw38AacPceeWaXoQQlbQCLcB/s0/kz_xj_ap_hollywood00020.jpg

31/05/2017 12:15:00

But why would darkness be better than a sky you mean? There is still a hard edge you can bump into around the map no? It is the edge that is the problem, not what texture is has? Walking into a black worldwall is hardly nicer than walking into a sunny cloudwall...a world wall is a world wall? Otherwise, a fence or a building or something to block off the sides would be better.

31/05/2017 15:46:00

The fact that the sky or black wall blocks you is not the problem. The problem is your hill/cliff ends to abruptly. It looks bad. Fading it to black looks much nicer, and people wont even try to go there, or if it blocks the they couldn't care less.

31/05/2017 21:29:00

Maybe he should make a hollywood nightversion ? :P

31/05/2017 21:40:00

No, why everyone assumes fade to black = night? He should have done it this way from start. You just can't make the Hollywood hill in hammer, like in real life with a whole city below it. The abstract fade to black cut of the hill is the best way to do something like this.

01/06/2017 01:48:00

What do you mean? What else would fade to black mean? Noon? Afternoon? I agree on the problem making the hill as in real life which was part of the problem. But making it abstract fade to black? I don't think it is the best way to do it at all. I think daylight looks so much better than night (yes, I still think black is night). =) Abstract fade to black feels like a cop out.

01/06/2017 00:29:00

fuzzy maybe add some light objects in hollywood blocks will look awesome with some glow

01/06/2017 08:07:00

Yep, that could be even better, but what I did is just a rough version to see how it looks.

28/05/2017 14:25:00

i need qsk_over rn

29/05/2017 11:25:00

s00n ;)

29/05/2017 04:21:00

beautiful

29/05/2017 19:35:00

I can't download these maps, plz fix it, thx!

30/05/2017 19:56:00

I don't know which year I started work on a Hollywood map, which was supposed to be an easy map. Since then I have been talked into making a hard version of the map as well. And, ofcourse with Apprentice idea coming up I tried to make a decent Apprentice version too. Both the easy version and the hard/extreme version have a second part however. It's a cave with bhops, relatively easy for the easy version and rather hard for the hard version. If you felt this Apprentice map wasn't to your liking then I hope you will like the other versions better. And if not...well...then perhaps another map? =)

30/05/2017 20:44:00

The best option would be to remove a kz_ tag from hollywood.

30/05/2017 21:42:00

that's not gonna happen. We' are not taking step backs.

31/05/2017 21:09:00

Are you sure about that ? Think again.

31/05/2017 02:14:00

It's not really about liking though, it objectively doesn't fit into the looks of kz tagged map, neither jumping wise tbh. And what really makes it look worse is karLi's reaction to all this. Like it's not really a big deal and that we can just get over it after some bad comments from "haters", and not even wanting to admit that the map is not a kz material. I am pretty sure that if the community were to vote in all honesty, this map wouldn't have won kz tag for real. No disrespect SadPuppy, I just think that it's kind of rude to the other mappers whose maps were once denied, with better visuals/game experience.

31/05/2017 08:30:00

Stop deepthroating that hard KarLi, it starts to make too much noises.

31/05/2017 09:04:00

kz_xj_ap_hollywood is a joke?

31/05/2017 09:27:00

yeah, i think u are right

31/05/2017 10:05:00

Everyone wants to hate here, you guys never stop giving bad feedback and reply all the negative shit you carry on with you all these years Lol. Have fun with that, we are happy with what we are doing and most users are happy aswell. @hoLy u are still too young watching too much porn.. have fun with that in ur life. and @Hardbitte there are many other maps on the similar Level of hollywood that are released with kz tag, ou guys are jealous or something? why dont you start submiting your maps and stop blabling about this newspost? like there's anything going to change.. I accept and embrace all your criticism and thank you for that, 1 guys says hollywood is bad other 10 jump and do the same thing.. nice cats :P

31/05/2017 10:12:00

kz_xj_ap_hollywood is a joke, we'll have to deal with it and your lack of Map Testing or whatever is your job, you are not doing it good. We need serious people doing that. Or let XJ's community voting for future maps.

31/05/2017 10:16:00

Very mature way of acting of you karLi, however your comment is a perfect explanation on the decision behind kz_ap_hollywood.

31/05/2017 11:37:00

kz_xj_ap_hollywood a lovely map to climb the hills of hollywood! woohoo ^^ keep it up with with ur nice feedback guys :D

31/05/2017 12:01:00

Even 2pac on your profile picture looks down on you man.. like wtf is this guy lol. Please post more.

31/05/2017 12:27:00

Yeah 2pac is like 'wtf is wrong with these ppl" ^_^

31/05/2017 10:14:00

"@hoLy u are still too young watching too much porn.. have fun with that in ur life." Sums up perfectly how much of an immature prick you are. N.B.: 28 btw haHAA

31/05/2017 10:25:00

"Have fun with that, we are happy with what we are doing and most users are happy aswell." Delusional much? By the way, your whole last post pretty much killed the very last bit of seriousness/maturity we, the community, could barely see in you anyways. Good job m****.

31/05/2017 12:10:00

Hardbitter, you wrote " No disrespect SadPuppy, I just think that it's kind of rude to the other mappers whose maps were once denied, with better visuals/game experience." I understand all the thoughts and discussions regarding what maps are accepted nowadays compared to before. The rules for maps before were too strict imho and if you over a timeperiod of many years change the requirements for acceptance it will feel unfair. Especially when the requirements have been vague and you had to have luck regarding who was checking your map and what their personal opinion was. Despite the fact that it was Kreedz who once started the Gigablockier map the mapping team denied the map. I had spent what, 500 hours, 1000? over the years working on the map, adding, redesigning, tweaking, moving around sections, making textures, re-texturing, adding details.. I used to have a lot of critters on the map. I designed it to open up a secret spider temple if you killed 100 spiders for example. I also had a lot of vegetation which I had to remove all. How rude is it to deny a map by Kreedz, the founder? Kreedz was very happy when I showed him the changes and improvements I had made to the map while still keeping his original layout etc. Needless to say he was stunned when they denied the map. And it is easy to agree. How dare they deny a map by the founder? It is very disrespectful to say the least. It's not like any of Kreedz maps were visual masterpieces perhaps, but should we deny his maps just because the standards were raised? Regarding Gigablockier; I removed vegetation, all the bugs and critters basically and did some structural changes and tweaked the lighting. The map barely passed (I think the vote was 7-5 second time around). It isn't exactly encouraging. Now what do I do with the other maps that I have, unreleased, that are created by Kreedz and in different states of being finished? I can't transform his original map into a map that meets the criteria to please the mapcheckers, it simply isn't possible. And after all my hard work on Gigablockier I am not sure I want to bother even. Too much work for an ungrateful XJ and community. Then there was maps like a2_Novus and a2_Blockrunner. I agree that over the years there have been many maps more deserving of kz tag than Hollywood. And I think Blockrunner especially should have had it. But I didn't even get a custom tag. And I got strange comments. Some checker was upset over my teleports in some area (safety nets) since he couldn't noclip around like he wanted when checking my map. I mean, c'mon...seriously? And the cold feeling and mood on the map, which was exactly what we (I and Shizuka) were looking for was questioned. And it lacked 'details'...and the end room was 'boring'. And this and that. And the secret was a 'bad idea'.. And one thing that still makes me irritated as hell just thinking about it.. I had placed a hp giver near the end so you could safely find and open the secret. But, unbeknownst to us there exists a plugin which gives the player hp if the plugin can find a hp giver anywhere on the map. So anyone using the plugin (I guess everyone recording WRs) had plenty of hp from the start..and didn't have to care about our lava etc and simply ignored the descent and jumped down into the lava. One would think that SOMEONE would mention it to us at someome during testing or checking, that there was such a plugin. But no. Map checkers simply stated the lava was stupid and they didn't understand it or something like that. Anyway, map was harshly rejected ofcourse. If it wasn't out of respect for Kreedz I would have been gone from XJ many years ago. And if XJ hadn't fucked me so hard there would have been more maps released from Kreedz as intended as well. So yes, I am bitter and irritated and everything myself too.And I have been asked to remove the hp giver from Blockrunner and release the map on XJ, but I never got around to actually do it. Perhaps it will be addressed later though. I kinda lost what I was thinking...but since everyone likes to complain I felt I wanted to whine too. =) I personally wish many things were different, both nowadays and back then. TLDR; Fuck off you lazy fuck.

31/05/2017 13:31:00

It's nice knowing you can relate to those being disappointed in map checking since you know it better than me how bad it feels. You mention quality reduce for kz tag and it's not a bad decision. Even though I have never seen real sense in kz and non-kz prefixes, but what I really mean here is reducing standards OVERALL for the map being accepted no matter what tag it will get - was no doubt the right thing. But in this release it's different. I wouldn't have given it that much attention if not for xj_ap_abyss being in the same release with hollywod which I think in comparison to hollywood is a more worthy of kz tag map, it just looks better and it actually feels like that map was build specially for climbing purposes. Unlike hollywood, where it feels like the fundamental part of the map lays in the letters itself and just then there was a decision to put together some blocks and attach them to the letters. It just doesn't feel like it was made for kz really. I'm not saying it's a bad map, it just has an old style of composition which is pretty much a matter of taste. But the main point of mine is that it's not kz tag worthy, not that it's that bad. I actually like quite a few works of yours. And I don't really see how an idea of respect for Kreedz would make you kill so much time for mapping undesirably when he most likely stopped caring about kz looong time ago. However, your time spent on it is appreciated and admired. Thanks for self-exlanation.

31/05/2017 13:55:00

yeah, lets fight over some fresh maps

31/05/2017 14:02:00

This gave me cancer, tbh What are you doing guys??? Turning a commentsection into a warzone... If somebody is still interested, GJ all mappers esp. Leffe_L for your first map. Welcome to the mapperclub bro. =)

31/05/2017 14:41:00

Okay guys i know that my behaviour sounds really crap and maybe immature, and yes i went crazy there, i want to apologize for that. It's just not that simple to handle your feedback and i might get personal and feel dissapointed because we did took and take alot of effort bringing more activity to the community with these releases. @Hardbitter , dEM0lite, and to everyone else i'm looking forward to work with you guys and mastermind for the upcoming maps releases, i want us to teamwork together and bring the best we can. Let's work together, hit me up on steam: KarLi is my ID or PM me here. I promise the next map release will be fantastic. Thanks for understanding :)

31/05/2017 18:14:00

demolite has had his share of contribution in mapping not even being an admin, while i myself know nothing about map making so there is no point in me being a map admin. if you want i can be a guy a voting guy, np.

31/05/2017 20:17:00

well i like to share my knowledge, if somebody is going to ask, but actually i have no real time to do exactly some work. thats why there is no map being released from my side and i also moved forward with my live. KZ gave me a nice time, thats all i am still checking a few times the community and some servers. Jaguar and i will work something out for an old map from myself. Where he sounds interested to work on. But overall 11-12hrs work and then doing community work is not really in it. And i am feeling sry for everytime pointing out mistakes from the past to new current situations. (Somebody needs to be an asshole)

31/05/2017 16:22:00

The community is almost dead and u guys are fighting cause a map tag or whatever i can't get it

31/05/2017 20:16:00

its because people love to complain about everything , they love being sarcastic and in the center of the attention. it's the same situation with the tournaments. people complaing there are not enough cups per month , when we do something - they complain about maps/rules/everythingyoucanthinkabout. now is "oh XJ are not adding new maps , let tell them how disapponted we are" which is udnerstandable. XJ (with the help of the admins and the players) release new maps - "oh now let say something about the tags instead of enjoying the maps and play them". It seems a community full of kids or women that hasnt been rider from years :)

01/06/2017 10:16:00

if people never complain, the community will never improve. i'm not saying they are right or wrong this time, i'm talking about your logic. like about the cheaters topic, wasted 5 years on it, and people just keep saying don't talk about it. and now its too late to talk about cheaters anymore, since it's full of cheaters right now. also most players quitted maybe the cheaters problem never can fix but now they're just talking about the kz_ tag problem, its not pointless the complain about it. also the cup rules / maps choice you said, you should hear people suggestion, you should not saying why people complain about it, since a community is all about player opinion, no player no community. sry for my bad english.

01/06/2017 10:17:00

to*

05/06/2017 23:57:00

That precious kz_ tag is the reason why a lot of good mappers stopped submitting maps for xj few years ago. The standards have been raised too high back then and people(including me) simply went to cosy to get their maps released(look how good their situation regarding records-flow is..). I dont consider myself a good mapper but i know how much work you have to do in order to get a decent map and when you see some maps released with kz_ tag that are below cosy-average(simply put=close to rubbish) - of course your blood starts to boil. Dont get me wrong, this is a great idea but apprentice maps and kz_ tag maps dont quite get along unless you clearly specify in a statement that requirements for kz_ tag have been lowered. I may have some free time in close future, can you tell an approximate date when it will be the next apprentice maps release?

31/05/2017 20:31:00

This is sad Also i agree with you, it seems a community full of kids.

31/05/2017 23:47:00

You probably forgot about the game that is related to this community. This is CS, there are no mature people here.