Unban Announcement - “outside“ Case Explained

By p0ker ·08/08/2025 16:25

Dear Community,

It is not often that we encounter cases as complex and puzzling as outside’s over the years. In most situations, we simply announce our decision and move on without sharing sensitive details about the reasoning behind it. However, given the extraordinary nature of this case, we believe the community deserves an insight into its full history, along with as many details as we can reasonably share.

Naturally, certain information must remain confidential to protect our broader anti-cheating measures. That said, we are confident that what we disclose here will contribute positively to the future of KZ.

Without further delay, here is the conclusion:

Effective today, outside will be fully unbanned from both kreedz.com and cosy-climbing.net, following a unanimous decision by the head administration and demo-checking teams of both communities.

Now, before presenting the full history of the case and the results of the latest in-person check, I would like to acknowledge all those involved in the unban decision, in order of their influence on the outcome.

As the current head administrator of this community, I held the final say to confirm the decision. This confirmation was based on the collective input of everyone involved. While I contributed my own vote and perspective, certain other opinions carried greater weight in the evaluation process.

The full list, ranked (in groups) from most to least influential in the decision-making, is as follows:

1. Democheckers - Some of the individuals involved have been present both during outside’s original bans and throughout the various live checks. Moreover, they possess an in-depth understanding of outside’s playstyle and patterns, gained from countless hours of review — in some cases, quite literally spanning several years. Naturally, their opinions carry the greatest weight.

- Fiveshot: YES for unban - Along with Skarp, he was responsible for outside’s original bans in 2021 and again in 2025. His input was crucial to the case. He also took part in the first live check of outside in 2021.
- phayzeeVW: YES for unban - Although he became involved later, he conducted a very thorough live check of outside in early 2023. Since then, he has reviewed the demos and the case numerous times.
- Ahful: YES for unban - A newer demo admin who has provided a fresh perspective on outside’s case, unshaped by past events or the influence of previous demo checkers.
- Kpoluk: YES for unban - A demo checker who has followed outside’s case since 2022 (although not involved in the original ban). His main contribution was attending the in-person check at my request, closely following my instructions throughout. We can even be heard discussing matters several times during the YouTube VOD of outside’s live check.

2. Head Administration (Group 1) - This group made significant contributions to organizing and providing critical information and data for the live checks of outside.

- PeKz^: YES for unban - Designed the most advanced online check of outside to date (the third live check). To this day, no method is known by which outside could have bypassed the test, even though some demo checkers initially expressed doubts. Upon further investigation, they reached the same conclusion. If not for other events that occurred around the time of this check, outside might have already been unbanned then.
- r0byN: YES for unban - Provided invaluable server data during checks where outside played on public servers. In a sense, he acted as the “demo checker of public servers.”
- ShoCk: YES for unban - Conducted the entire in-person check in Moscow and closely monitored outside throughout the process. Notably, after the check, outside missed his flight and stayed at ShoCk’s place in Moscow, during which ShoCk continued observing his gameplay—again reaching the same conclusion.

3. Head Administration (Group 2) - This group played a smaller role than Group 1, either due to limited demo-checking expertise or less direct involvement in the case.

- g-Lp: YES for unban - Currently our lead website developer and the creator of certain demo-checking tools that proved useful in the outside case. His insight is also valued as one of the greatest KZ players of all time, with first-hand knowledge of what it takes to set world records. However, his involvement in this specific case was less extensive than others in Group 1.
- p0ker: YES for unban - While lacking the deep demo-checking expertise of others, my role in initiating the in-person check and designing most of its details warrants inclusion. Over the past year, I’ve also invested significant time in investigating other live checks and consulting with multiple people involved in them.
- sitka: YES for unban - sitka, similarly to g-Lp, was not as involved as some of the abovementioned people, but due to his contacts and immense programming knowledge, he still helped out during certain periods of times when it came to some of the previous outside live checks.

4. Other Contributors - While not directly involved in the final decision, these individuals’ assistance during the live checks made their opinions relevant.

- sekai - Leveraging his demo-checking skills and his role in organizing the in-person check (including map selection, spectating, and ensuring fair testing), along with his own mini-check of outside, his input was valued. He also supports an unban.
- Toffifee - Considered by some as one of the greatest KZ players of all time, Toffifee attended the in-person check. His assessment, combined with his active participation in testing multiple mice and keyboards during the process, makes his “YES for unban” significant.
- dejair and pacMan: The former is a recently appointed demo admin; the latter is the current CEO of cosy-climbing. Although their involvement in the case was limited, both were fully informed of its details and expressed agreement with the unban decision.

Now, these are only the names of the people who were taken into account for the current unban and in-person check, there will be more names later on related to some of the previous outside live checks.

CLARIFICATION ABOUT PREVIOUS STATEMENT

Some of you might rightfully bring up one of our original statements in regards to the outside in-person check, which I will just share a photo of:

And to be frank, this was the original intent from the start, even immediately after the in-person check. Since he passed that check, our focus shifted toward the possibility of an unban in the following years (as mentioned in the original newspost), but only after conducting a full internal vote and consulting the community. This is why I stated in the original announcement that an unban was by no means guaranteed, and that outside would likely remain banned. Before the in-person check, I personally told outside that he might receive an unban in about five years—or that he might never receive one at all. With that understanding, he still agreed to undergo the in-person check.

Nevertheless, this entire statement stands on the following premise, which were convinced that it was the truth:

The reason an immediate unban was not pursued earlier stems from a majority vote in early January 2025, in which most members (whose names will be disclosed later) opposed the unban and concluded that outside had cheated in early 2021.

Following the in-person check, however, several members of both the demochecking team and the head administration began to challenge whether the original 2021 ban was justified at all. To be clear, the delay in publishing this newspost had nothing to do with uncertainty over the results of the in-person check—those were conclusive within days.

The real cause of the delay was our comprehensive re-examination of the 2021 ban. With the benefit of new data and a deeper understanding of KZ mechanics, we have determined that outside played legitimately at that time. The few gameplay patterns that appeared suspicious in 2021 do not, in retrospect, constitute sufficient evidence for a ban. Our knowledge at the time simply did not account for the full range of what was possible in KZ, making a ban seem reasonable back then.

This is not a criticism of the democheckers involved. Outside was a true outlier - an unprecedented case that challenged our understanding of legitimate play.

The key point is this: the January decision relied on the belief that outside had cheated in 2021. We no longer hold that belief. That is why an immediate and full unban is now both justified and warranted.

THE HISTORY OF OUTSIDE'S CASE

PART 1: THE BEGINNING

Now, it's difficult to fully track outside's beginnings in detail, although certain facts are quite well known. He registered in cosy-climbing back in 2018:

And in kreedz.com back in 2020, to sign up for the Spring 2020 tournament:

Outside’s history prior to that was primarily as a Hide and Seek (HNS) player. According to him, he began playing HNS around 2014–2015 as a non-Steam user, later purchasing an official copy of the game in 2016. In 2018, he discovered KZ through the cosy-climbing server, where he achieved his first two world records on agami_drop and klbk_sliderock. Shortly thereafter, he took a break from KZ and returned to HNS for two years, eventually leaving that scene in 2020 due to what he described as a massive influx of cheaters. From that point onward, his focus shifted back to KZ.

It is worth noting that the HNS scene has a reputation for questionable integrity regarding cheating. This does not mean that all players cheat, but outside has openly admitted to using cheats in HNS for a brief period out of frustration with the number of cheaters he encountered—though, of course, such claims should be taken with a degree of caution. Regardless, past cheating in HNS, Surf, Deathrun, or even non-partner KZ servers does not influence a player’s eligibility to compete in our community. We are aware of other respected KZ players with similar histories in other game modes, and this has never been a decisive factor in our decisions here.

At that stage, outside was still far from being a top competitor, finishing last in the Spring Tournament. It would take him another two to three years before he began consistently submitting numerous world records on cosy-climbing - by which point, suspicions about his performance had already begun to circulate.

PART 2: THE FIRST COSY-CLIMBING BAN

On October 23rd, 2021, a newspost was published on cosy-climbing alleging that outside had used both a bunnyhop (bhop) cheat and a ground strafe (gs) hack.

According to Fiveshot and skArp—the only two staff members involved in the decision—they both agreed to issue the ban. Without going into technical specifics, they had observed unusual and highly repetitive bhop and gs patterns, along with a noticeable change in outside’s bhopping style. These patterns occurred far too often to be considered natural movement.

In addition, they identified a bhop cheat created by a certain well-known figure in the scene. This cheat had a distinctive “bug” that occasionally altered the jump pattern in a recognizable way. On some occasions, outside’s movement displayed that exact same bugged pattern.

As a result, the cosy-climbing staff permanently banned outside. Due to the cross-community ban rule on kreedz.com, this also led to a permanent ban there.

The initial ban decision is perhaps best summarized by Commandeer:

Some certain pattern is hardly ever good enough evidence unless its supported by other things what made it stand out in outside case was that it only appeared in certain places and he generally scrolled very differently compared to this pattern.

However, this did not deter outside from trying to prove his innocence. Sometime between his initial ban and his first unban (2021–2022), he requested a re-evaluation of his case.

PART 3: THE FIRST LIVE CHECK

skArp, Fiveshot, and this time joined by Commandeer, decided to conduct the first known live check of outside. Although it was the most basic of all the checks that would follow, it still qualified as a legitimate test.

According to the three democheckers’ recollections, the live check was carried out very quickly. In Commandeer’s own words, here’s how it went:

We even did a teamviewer check with outside, watching him record demos on a fresh install of CS. It was interesting that his scroll behaviour changed very much for these demos, which then supported the idea he was using something before. Also didn't help his case that he was stupid enough to have a folder full of different cheats during the first teamviewer check, later on in another check they had been removed.

To be fair, having a random folder containing cheats is indeed suspicious, but it is not sufficient grounds for a ban in any reputable kreedz community. The file dates aligned with both the timing of the ban and with outside’s claim that he had stopped using them (in HNS). The only inconsistency was in his unban essay, where he stated that he had deleted the cheats after he was done with them. This discrepancy could have been caused by a translation issue, a poorly worded statement, or simple carelessness. In later live checks, the folder was no longer present.

Moving on—based on how quickly his scroll patterns changed and his inability to replicate the consistency shown in his demos, outside was deemed to have cheated, and therefore was not unbanned at that time. However, it is worth noting that PeKz^, one of our technical head admins, questioned the validity of this check, citing the proven input lag that can occur when playing CS while being monitored via TeamViewer. This supports outside’s claim that he failed the check due to both nerves and lag.

Additionally, Nannou reportedly reviewed some demos later on—according to Commandeer—and agreed with the decision. Nonetheless, the initial ban was made solely by Fiveshot and skArp.

PART 4: THE FIRST UNBAN

On November 22nd, 2022, skArp published a newspost announcing outside’s official unban. However, this decision did not extend to kreedz.com, where the ban remained in place.

From what we know, the decision to unban him was made solely by skArp, as outside had continued to request further checks even after failing the first live check. To be fair, he did share a screenshot showing him asking Fiveshot whether it would be acceptable to lift the ban. Since Fiveshot was inactive at the time, he did not spend much effort reviewing the case and simply told skArp to do as he saw fit. Similarly, skArp also let know phayzeeVW of his decision, but with skArp being the CEO of Cosy-Climbing, whether he informed someone or not of his decision carried little weight in this matter.

According to outside, he never recorded a KZ demo using cheats. He does, however, admit to having installed a “simple HNS” cheat to counter other cheaters while playing Hide and Seek. In his version of events, the demo admins believed that even after deleting the cheat, certain “traces” remained on his system. Since he was unsure what to write in his unban essay, he claims he simply included their theory in his statement.

It is worth noting that to this day, the specific cheat outside used for HNS has never been found. He maintains that he deleted it long ago and, quoting former demochecker goodmorning (caffemocker), it simply “magically vanished.”

outside's original unban essay

A note on the unban essay: It is often cited as proof that outside admitted to cheating. However, a closer reading shows that he never explicitly states this. In his own words, he explains that the demo admins told him something unusual was happening with his gameplay, as he recounts here:

I played like an hour with cheat, then deleted it and forgot about that till my ban news. I was so confused, sad and mad at the same time. It's hard to accept the fact of your ban when you know your demos are clean and you've never tried to cheat on kz scene. I asked myself many questions, thought a lot about it, spent much time talking to different admins, such as skArp, Fiveshot, Nannou. As it turned out that cheat bugged somehow and remained in my game.

The last statement was something explained to him by what the demo admins believed happened, and not something he expressed himself, at least not in his own words. Later, when I spoke with outside personally, he claimed to have never cheated and said that the reason he mentioned this was because of what the demo admins had explained to him.

On the other hand, when I spoke with skArp about the case, even as late as 2024 he still believed outside had some kind of cheat, although more on that later. For anyone interested, even though his opinion was not considered for the current unban news, skArp no longer thinks the original ban was deserved, as he estimates there is only about a 10% chance that outside actually used a cheat in 2021.

Another point to mention is that this statement was translated by brokoly, due to outside’s limited English skills. Often, many of his statements can be misunderstood because of his inability to express himself clearly.

The unban was quite interesting because of the logic behind it. skArp still believed that outside used some kind of cheat, but that outside was either unaware of it, or even if he was aware, he did not gain any advantage from it. In fact, it may have hindered his ability to play, as demonstrated by outside’s demos from 2022 to 2025. This is an interesting perspective, which we will revisit later when discussing the first majority vote in early 2025.

This kind of thinking was also supported by Commandeer, as I’ll quote him here from August 2022:

There is a high possibility that the cheat outside had active was accidentally active. And some could argue the cheat was a bit like jump;wait binds, if you're already good at bhop it doesn't help you at all. Which could make someone question is it worth a permanent ban. No doubt this player could enter the top5 on XJ without any cheats too.

Commandeer was still against outside’s unban at that time, as he believed that outside did cheat and that he gained an advantage from it.

Based on further discoveries, it was theorized that another possible reason for the sudden change in outside’s playstyle—particularly his bhop patterns—was due to his Windows reinstallation. Others, such as Ahful, recently demonstrated through analysis of his older demos that outside’s change was not as abrupt as originally thought. While the change was rapid, it was still gradual. Coupled with recent observations from his in-person performance checks, the argument that a sudden style change is indicative of cheating has lost much of its credibility.

Unfortunately, the 100 demos (50 on the old OS and 50 on the new OS) have been lost over time and can no longer be reviewed. However, the original outside demos from 2021 remain preserved, and some of the reasons he was initially banned were also retained and verified multiple times by our democheckers in the years following. These factors ultimately contributed to the current and final decision on the case.

PART 5: THE SECOND LIVE CHECK

Fast forward to the first half of 2023—after outside was unbanned on cosy-climbing, he began submitting an increasing number of demos with even more impressive times compared to his 2021 performances. Naturally, this once again sparked greater suspicion within the community.

Complicating matters further, outside was still banned on kreedz.com, which presented quite a dilemma for the demo admins, as the administrators on both platforms were largely the same group. The choice seemed straightforward: either ban him on both sites or unban him on both.

In response to this situation, phayzeeVW, JocA, and goodmorning (also known as caffemocker) decided to conduct a second live check of outside, aiming to uncover the truth once and for all. This was a far more advanced check, conducted in two separate phases.

Here, I will share the details of both phases, courtesy of phayzeeVW:

So here is the plan regarding outside checking:
1. Before we start call with outside me and Joca or Phyazee will start obs screen recording.
2. Outside will download third party key logger/saver - "whatpulse" and start it up.
3. Outside will download wargod (if he has it downloaded than he will delete it and download new one).
4. Outside will download Snap2html.
5. Outside will start up WhatPulse keylogger.
6. We let outside open the game and he will record LeblE_bhop demo (will probably do multiple runs so he should save them all and send to us).
7. Outside will minimize the game and will run the wargod scan, results link he will send to me immediately.
8. Outside will do snapshot with "Snap2Html" of hl folder and will send us the html file.
9. Outside will use WhatPulse to send us excel file of all keypresses.
10. We will look into hl and cstrike folder (let him scroll trough all of them) and we check loaded plugins too.
11. He will start recording demos for go_fastrun, again he will save all demos and send to us.
12. We will check if he has any macros for mouse (if logitech mouse he should have logitech software).
13. After he has done decent ground strafes we will ask him to do another wargod scan.
14. Outside will play kz_ea_canals map duck bhop part only and the demo to us.
15. Outside will play fastrun map and send us demos.
And even if we don't find something when we check him we than will have a recording of all that and we can afterwards check more in depth what we saw.

This was followed by:

Then in another related checking few days after that, we also asked him to play from a completely new CS client and repeat the same process as above

Then, once the check was done, here's what goodmorning (caffeemocker) had to say about the results:

So we have finished checking of outside officially and conclusion is that he is NOT cheating.
Steps we have taken that lead us to this decision:

First check on outside:
1. We picked maps tailored to this player that he has played before so we had historical data to compare to.
2. Before starting CS outside started a keylogger (sent all data to us in the end).
3. During playing wargod scan was done two times.
4. Snap2Html to get all his directories for hl.
5. Macros were checked for player.

Second check:
This time we asked him to record demos with our in house tool.
Tool was started up that blocked all keyboard inputs beside WASD and some strictly necessary keys to play the game.
We again went trough maps tailored to him and with the tool we recorded each scroll and timing of it so we can compare external scroll commands to internal cs ones.
Wargod scan was done again.
Plugins folder was searched trough and sma files were sent to us.

Maps for the above session were picked mainly for bhop, gs (straight bhop, bhop with low unit ceiling, ground strafes etc).
All the process were recorded with obs for further analysis.

In short, the second live check is best described by caffemocker in another message of him, stating the following:

So what I did with my limited time was actually try and check his pc and even write tools to check him as much as possible and he passed with flying colors. Tbh I am sick of everyone accusing him, yeah sure he can cheat his ass off, but please try to prove it and not throw around never ending accusations.

I have already spent way too much of my time trying to check him so I won't be going into that rabbit hole again, but if you want to actually do something about it I can contact one person in * * and you can continue speaking with him as we came up with another checking method to specifically check outside"

Commandeer himself was quite impressed with the process, as he had to say the following statement about it:

Sounds good, well done. By the looks of it your results are also almost identical to the results skarp got from a quick teamviewer check long ago, which supports the idea he is playing legit now.

As for his possible unban on XJ, I strongly suggest you guys write a real newspost about it and explain what has been done. Of course without revealing all the used methods.

*Sorry Commandeer, I know you are not active anymore, but if you ever happen to read any of this, we have collectively agreed that it would be better to reveal such information to the public!

At the time, all five democheckers involved in this case believed that outside’s demos from post-2022 were legitimate. These individuals were:

phayzeeVW, goodmorning (caffemocker), JocA, skArp, Commandeer.

Nevertheless, Commandeer was hesitant about unbanning outside. Although he eventually gave his ‘green light,’ he remained somewhat opposed, primarily due to concerns about how the community would react. He believed that no matter how many explanations and checks were provided, outside’s tainted reputation would continue to haunt him—and by extension, kreedz.com as well.

phayzeeVW shared a similar hesitation, unsure how the community would respond. He was also against unbanning, still firmly believing that outside had cheated in his 2021 demos, subscribing to the “Once a cheater, always a cheater” mindset. Nevertheless, he offered to create a newspost asking for community input before a final decision was made.

Eventually, a majority vote favored unbanning outside. So why was he not unbanned, you may ask?

The answer was simple—it was because of ShoCk.

Some of you may not recall, but at the beginning of 2023, there was a major shift in the community’s head administration when hoLy stepped down and was replaced by ShoCk.

At that time, there was also a significant public forum thread discussing outside’s potential unban. Unfortunately, this thread has been lost to time. You may remember that in the first half of 2023, the old xtreme-jumps.eu experienced several issues, which led to the complete loss of website data from mid-2021 through mid-2023. Nevertheless, here are some traces of said thread's existence preserved via the Wayback Machine:

The thread was quite heated, with members both advocating for and opposing outside’s unban. Under normal circumstances, he might have been granted an unban. However, due in part to limited information and the continued assumption that his 2021 ban was fully justified, ShoCk ultimately shut down any hopes of a potential unban.

Here is ShoCk’s final statement on the matter, which brought the ‘second live check’ saga to a close:

Well I took some time to think about it and I'm strongly against his unban. It's a huge cost for XJ's reputation for just one single person. Absolutely not worth it.

PART 6: THE THIRD LIVE CHECK A.K.A PEKZ CHECK

Once the website was restored in April 2024, the new administration team began developing a novel method to verify certain players. The primary architect behind this approach was none other than our current technical head admin, PeKz^. It was only a matter of time before this new method could be deployed—and as fate would have it, outside once again came knocking at the door.

This time, ShoCk had started to revisit the case, growing uncertain of his original decision as he uncovered more details surrounding the initial ban. Conflicting opinions from different democheckers about the original ban created the perfect opportunity to put outside to the test once again.

Regarding the test itself, it is arguably the most bulletproof online evaluation conducted to date. No other test—aside from the in-person check—before or after, has matched its rigor. Even when some democheckers initially expressed doubts about its validity, those concerns were ultimately resolved.

Here are PeKz^’s own words about the check:

To ensure the utmost integrity of the review process, I designed a custom operating system (OS) that forms the backbone of our verification method. While I won’t reveal the specific base it’s built on (security through obscurity, after all), this custom OS is based on a highly secure architecture that I’ve extensively modified to enhance memory and process management. These modifications make it significantly more challenging for any unauthorized code or cheat injections to manipulate the game environment.

Here’s an outline of the process we used:


1. Complete Transparency: Outside was required to document the entire process from start to finish via a live video call. This ensured that every step, move and input was monitored and authenticated in real-time.,


2. Secure Installation Environment: Outside downloaded a custom ISO, which I developed, and performed a clean installation of the operating system on his machine. The installation process was designed to be as seamless as possible, with the OS automatically detecting hardware and installing only the essential drivers, keeping the system lightweight and focused solely on gaming performance.,


3. Controlled Software Environment: To eliminate any possibility of tampering, the OS only allows the download and installation of the game (CS 1.6) and Steam client from official, verified sources. After installation, The OS then performed a deep dive into the game’s files, deleting any unauthorized files that could hint at modifications or cheats.

4. External Media Restrictions: As a security measure, the OS blocks all external media—except for the installation media, which is removed before the player logs in for the first time. This prevents any potential external device from injecting unauthorized scripts or code.,


5. Peripheral Security: To further protect against cheating, the OS restricts access to peripheral memory (e.g., mouse, keyboard) that could be used to store or execute macros or other automated cheats. This ensures that every input and action during gameplay comes directly from the player, without any artificial assistance.

After setting up this secure environment, we closely monitored Outside’s in-game performance, comparing it against their previous records and world records.

And, as ShoCk would put it best, here are the results of the check itself:

The idea behind the check was to get Outside showcase the same skill perforamance, as well as scrolling patterns, on a freshly installed Linux OS, as he was streaming the whole installation process for us through his phone's camera. Kreedz.ee was the chosen server, for the reason of it being supplied with, likely, the most innovative and convenient AC plugin. After Outside got onto the server, a few minutes after, PeKz had to leave, leaving just me robyN. As soon Outside started playing, he complained that the game didn't [sic] feel smooth and had some delay, which is a known issue with CS on the Linux OS, according to PeKz and robyN. The first map was fastrun, which he managed to complete in 26.5 in less than 5 minutes uptime. The next map was svn_powerbhop where Outside pulled off an incrediblly long distance. At this point I was like "Ok enough". During the powerbhop session he managed to pull off fucking 27 consecutive fog1's, according to robyN's plugin. Throughout the check he complained a lot how his CS felt delayed and because of this he was unable to show any groundstraing. "It was more difficult than usual to bhop, and impossible to GS" - he said

Additionally, here are the results of outside’s third live check on the kreedz.ee server, courtesy of r0byN:

r0byN (the founder of Kreedz.ee and the creator of its AC) wrote:
First of all, I genuinely appreciate being involved in the check and that you trusted me throughout the process. My role was to provide the server-based environment using the anticheat system I’ve developed over the past year. Before the check, the server anticheat had detected anomalies, accusing outside of using a bhophack. What caught my attention, aside from one case where he had a low speedloss deviation and another case where he had unusually high consecutive bhop speeds, was his scroll timing. Typically, players start scrolling a few frames before landing, but I noticed that outside rarely did. Instead, he scrolled right as he was landing, multiple times achieving perfect timing up to 20 times in a row. This led me to question the legitimacy of his gameplay. During the check, his scroll timings remained the same, and once again, the anticheat flagged him for a bhophack. Notably, he also achieved 27 fog1s in a row during the check. In my opinion, this demonstrates that fogs in the game are not purely random. Great players can maintain momentum and challenge statistical analysis. While I haven’t seen anyone with such perfect scroll timing before, I truly want to believe that outside is playing fairly.

In other words, outside once again passed the test with flying colors. This meant it was time to vote again and determine if he deserved an unban. However, this time there were some drastic shifts in opinion.

First and foremost, Commandeer once again reaffirmed his opinion that all of outside’s demos post-2022 were clean. However, he would still oppose the unban due to concerns about the community’s reaction and his belief that outside did use some form of assistance during his 2021 demos.

To better understand why outside is such a unique case, we need to examine his 1TBJs (1st tick bhop jumps), which are discussed in detail on our discord channel, courtesy of honodille.

There, honodille provides a thorough comparison of all notable bhop players with respectable world records. Outside stands out as such an anomaly in 1TBJs that the only logical conclusion would be that he is cheating... right?

But of course! That is indeed the most logical assumption. This is how cheater detection typically works. While anomalies and exceptions do exist, when an outlier so drastically overshadows everyone else, it is usually—if not always—sufficient reason to ban a player for cheating. In that sense, it is quite ‘obvious.’

For a full comparison and to grasp the gravity of outside’s situation and bhop style, I highly recommend reading honodille’s post in detail, as he analyzes the numbers like no other.

This is precisely how one of our democheckers felt just months prior to this newspost, namely phayzeeVW.

phayzeeVW strongly opposed the unban, stating that he was not only suspicious of the validity of the latest check, but also that he would retract his original stance on outside and claim that what outside is doing is not humanly possible. To be clear, he was referring to outside’s new demos from 2022–2025; his opinion on the original demos would be revisited later.

Here is what phayzeeVW had to say about the check and outside overall:

All due respect to everyone involved in this checking, but I do not believe the check to be bulletproof and therefore I am still against this unban.
Not only this, but I will also be renouncing my previous stance in which I considered him legit (based on a wrong assumption) and call for his subsequent ban on CC as well, given what the data from his bhop demos says.
Specifically:

fastrun_outside_0025.52
fastrun_outside_0025.51

25.52: 0.05 scrolls before the ground - Timing your bhop to such a precision, where you make only 2 scrolls before touching the ground, throughout a demo with 38 bhops, is simply just insane. I do not believe such a precision and reaction time can be legally achieved. I would go even as far as to compare it with hitting 37 jumpbugs in a row.
But it gets further: 86% perfect bhops - 22 of them being consecutive - and from these consecutive ones, 21 of them being done with fog2.
All this data combined from just this particular demo should be more than enough to draw a conclusion. I do not believe such consistency can be achieved through legal settings.

25.51: Nothing really particular in this case, except 0.29 scrolls before the ground - out of 41 bhops, only 5 of them had a scroll (or more) before touching the ground.
Out of these 5, only one of them caused him to miss his timing and get a fog3, the others being perfect.

Note: Data from other demos from him shows similar stats

Additional demos* (*recorded during the checking that me, caffeemocker and JoCa did)
fastrun_gg-_0027.24 - 0.10 scrolls before the ground
fastrun_gg-_0026.79 - 0.05 scrolls before the ground
fastrun_gg-_0026.55 - 0.00 scrolls before the ground

This is all I have left to regarding this situation.

At the time, I was also informed of the details of the check thanks to ShoCk, although I did not have access to all the conversations. Based on this information, we conducted a new vote, which resulted as follows:

Third live check early votes

With this complication in mind, the decision was delayed for several months, during which additional issues arose involving one of our main democheckers, skArp. Given the uncertainty at the time, I reached out to other democheckers and eventually reestablished contact with Fiveshot, who temporarily returned to assist with the outside case, alongside skArp's case. This collaboration ultimately paved the way for the developments that occurred in early 2025.

PART 7: THE SECOND COSY-CLIMBING BAN

As some of you may recall, around November 2024, our previous head admin, ShoCk, became inactive, and I assumed the role of head admin. With this transition, I gained full access to the entire outside case, which had spanned several years. Previously, I only had limited information about the developments, but now, with a more complete picture, my perspective on the case began to shift. As Fiveshot uncovered additional evidence—supported by phayzeeVW—the likelihood of an outside ban once again reached an all-time low.

For that reason, in early 2025, outside was issued a second cosy-climbing ban alongside skArp. Our team was fully aware of the newspost before its release, but Fiveshot’s decision was somewhat premature, as the investigation into skArp was still ongoing. It’s important to note that skArp has not been banned on kreedz.com and remains under review.

Despite that, since outside was our priority, a mutual decision was reached after a new majority vote, which again denied outside an unban on kreedz.com. This was detailed in a newspost at the time.

Now, I can openly share how this entire process unfolded, and whose opinions were taken into account to keep outside banned. Here is the full list:

1. skArp -> skArp believed that all 2022-2025 demos of outside were clean, however, even in late 2024, he still claimed that he believed outside used some kind of cheat in his original 2021 demos, or at least had the remaining effects of. Moreover, he believed he deserved an unban, because he thought he did not receive any kind of advantage from said 'cheat'.
2. Fiveshot -> Fiveshot believed that not only outside's demos from 2021 were achieved with some kind of assistance, but that all of his 2022-2025 demos are also cheated, even more so than his 2021 demos. This of course led to outside's second cosy-climbing ban.
3. phayzeeVW -> Since Fiveshot demonstrated some new evidence to phayzeeVW, he was even more convinced that outside had submitted cheated demos from his 2022-2025 period. Therefore, he was not only against an unban in kreedz.com, but also fully supported the ban in cosy-climbing. However, after independently investigating the 2021 demos, he found the evidence inconclusive, which caused him to adopt a neutral stance regarding whether outside cheated in 2021.
4. JocA -> While still part of the team, JocA voted yes for outside’s unban in late 2024. However, his vote was ultimately disregarded because he left the demo admin team shortly thereafter. After leaving, he publicly and privately expressed belief that outside’s new demos were indeed cheated.
5. Kpoluk -> Kpoluk has never accused outside of cheating, neither in 2021 nor in 2022–2025 demos. However, he disagreed with SkArp’s position that a player shouldn’t be banned if they gained no advantage. Kpoluk firmly believes that cheating is punishable regardless of any performance benefit.
6. Nannou -> Nannou was specifically consulted by ShoCk after a long hiatus. His investigation concluded that there was insufficient evidence to justify a ban for either outside’s 2021 demos or his post-unban demos through 2025.
7. Commandeer -> Despite Commandeer becoming completely inactive somewhen in late 2024, we still took into consideration his old opinion on the case, in which he still claimed that he believed all his 2022-2025 demos were done legitimately. Nevertheless, he still claimed that his 2021 demos were cheated, and that the cheat did in fact help out outside when recording these demos.
8. goodmorning (caffemocker) -> Similarly to Commandeer, we took into consideration his old investigation of outside. While he claims outside's modern demos are clean, we could not find anything conclusive about his investigation of his 2021 demos. Therefore his opinion on the 2021 demos remains neutral. Just to be sure, I managed to get in contact with him briefly in 2025, and he only reaffirmed his opiniom from early 2023 that he believes all new demos of outside are in fact legit.
9. Head Administration: All five of us: p0ker, g-Lp, sitka, r0byN, ShoCk were against an unban, mainly because of the majority vote and investigation done by our democheckers, coupled with the fact that we also supported Kpoluk's opinion that it didn't matter if someone did not gain advantage if a cheat was active. Cheating is cheating no matter what, and our opinion on the matter has not changed. Even if a cheat makes you play 10 times worse, you will be still banned for having installed something that should not be there.
* PeKz^ was not included because he was not active at the time.

Reviewing the majority vote made it clear that outside would not be unbanned. In reality, only two members— Nannou and Kpoluk—claimed there was not enough evidence for outside to be banned in either 2021 or 2022–2025 (although that doesn't mean they didn't think certain gameplay behaviours of his were weird/or suspicious). Everyone else believed he cheated in either or both periods, with some adopting a neutral stance due to inconclusive evidence regarding 2021.

Despite the ongoing uncertainties and differing opinions, the unresolved nature of the case compelled me to pursue the truth more thoroughly. Recognizing that online checks alone were insufficient for a definitive conclusion, the idea of conducting an in-person check was proposed. At that time, I operated under the assumption that, since outside had cheated in 2021, an unban was unlikely regardless of the results—or at best, would be delayed, as suggested in the early 2025 newspost.

PART 8: THE FOURTH LIVE CHECK A.K.A SKARP GAMEGUARD CHECK

Before diving back into the in-person check, I’d like to clarify a few points regarding the third and fourth live checks.

In the early 2025 newspost, we mentioned that skArp’s GameGuard live check would not be taken into consideration. skArp had informed me about this check a few days before the newspost was published, which is why I referenced it there. From our perspective, this decision was straightforward—skArp was in a difficult position due to his ban on cosy-climbing and ongoing investigation on kreedz.com, so reviewing his check didn’t make sense. Additionally, we believe that to this day, no online check has surpassed the one developed by PeKz^. Consequently, we lost interest in any further online checks, as the only improvement would come from an actual in-person check. I can’t speak for everyone on the current administration, but personally, I didn’t watch a single minute of the fourth live check, rendering its results essentially irrelevant to me.

Another important point is the legitimacy of the third live check. As noted earlier, phayzeeVW initially doubted its validity. However, all of his concerns were thoroughly addressed by PeKz^, and every potential method he suggested for outside to cheat was proven ineffective. To further ensure the check was as foolproof as possible, I also asked fxr—one of the head admins of kreedz.bg and a key programmer—to brainstorm any possible bypasses. He came to the same conclusion: the check was solid. It’s safe to say that everyone now fully accepts the legitimacy of the 'PeKz check'. Of course, no system is entirely unbypassable; PeKz himself knows potential ways to circumvent it since he created it. But given the limited information available to outside and others at the time—except PeKz himself—it would have been virtually impossible to bypass. That said, if one suspects PeKz might have collaborated with outside, no amount of evidence or argument can sway that belief; ultimately, it’s up to each reader to decide what they believe.

PART 9: THE IN-PERSON CHECK

Let’s start with a bit of background on the in-person check. The idea was originally inspired by ropz's own in-person check back in 2017. That check was organized by FACEIT after several respected CS:GO pros expressed doubts about his ability to perform at such a high level. At the time, ropz hadn’t yet competed in LAN tournaments, but he had already showcased incredible skill and game sense against some of the world’s best players.

To be fair, I reached out to ropz to ask about his in-person check experience, hoping to learn how we could make ours as effective as possible. Interestingly, without going into too many details, ropz mentioned that some of the steps we planned for outside’s check were actually even more thorough than the original FACEIT HQ test. So keep that in mind.

We initially aimed to conduct the check as soon as possible, but due to delays on both my and ShoCk’s sides, it took several months before it finally happened. In hindsight, that delay turned out to be a blessing, as it gave us extra time to refine the logistics and make the test as bulletproof as we could. Organizing an in-person check, including flying someone to another city, is far more complicated than it might seem.

We also thought it would be beneficial to have more people involved in overseeing the check. So I invited Kpoluk and Toffifee, who kindly agreed to join. Kpoluk helped with organizing, while Toffifee tested various setups to better understand outside’s gameplay—having a proven player like him involved was invaluable. ShoCk also participated throughout the process. Additionally, koala, one of our more active tournament sponsors, attended and generously lent his GoPro camera to film and stream the entire event.

With all this in place, I sent the final instructions to both Kpoluk and ShoCk. You can find those instructions below:

Outside Check Instructions

Phase 1: Pre-Check Preparation

Equipment Purchase

ShoCk will purchase a Logitech G903 mouse (same model as Outside’s) and, if possible, Outside’s DrunkDeer keyboard.

If needed, ShoCk may stream or otherwise prove that both items are brand new upon arrival.

Pre-Check Demo Recording

Both Outside and ShoCk will record several demos before the check itself.

If Toff is participating, he should also record demos.

For ShoCk: Record his best time on a 20–30 speed/bhop map.
For Outside: Conduct livestream sessions under the same time limit as the actual check (approximately 5 hours), attempting to record demos and meet the check’s required conditions.

Phase 2: Setting Up the In-Person Check

Meeting Point

ShoCk and Kpoluk will meet Outside at the designated LAN café or venue.

Livestream Start

The livestream must begin before entering the venue and be recorded for later upload to YouTube or Twitch.

Equipment

ShoCk must bring his own mouse and keyboard. If Toff attends, it is recommended he does the same.

PC Setup

Only ShoCk or Kpoluk will be allowed to turn on and configure the PC.

Outside may not use his own Steam account or alter the system in any way apart from playing.

Configuration

ShoCk will manually load Outside’s configuration (shared beforehand with all involved).

Hardware Use

Outside will complete most of the test using the new mouse and ShoCk’s/Toff’s keyboard—unless Outside’s keyboard is also purchased for the test.

Phase 3: The Main Check

Part 1 – Primary Performance Test

Outside will play for approximately 5 hours across 5 specific maps, meeting defined targets.

His face will remain hidden.

All gameplay will be on LAN with the designated mouse and keyboard unless otherwise noted.

Map 1 – Fastrun

1 hour to achieve as many 26-second runs as possible.

Sub-26s runs are even better.

All runs recorded.

If no 26s run is achieved, record a continuous 10-minute session regardless of result.

Map 2 – kzru_hb_alliance

X-D climb map to test climbing skill.

Target: Complete in under 30 minutes.

If stuck on specific RNG sections for more than 3–4 minutes, use hook to proceed.

Total time: 1 hour (may restart if choosing not to use hook).

Map 3 – mls11_ways [fastrun] or similar

Demonstrate peak groundstrafe speed of at least 370 for 1 duck.

Maintain average GS speed of at least 340 for 10 consecutive ducks.

Time not measured—speed consistency is the focus.

Map 4 – kz_shrubhop_h

LAN test without /multibhop pre.

Goal: Beat WR in 1 hour.

Acceptable result: 1:11 or 1:12 if WR is not beaten.

Map 5 – mls_leble_bhop

Outside’s most confident map.

Goal: Beat WR in 1 hour.

If WR is not beaten, save best demos and record a 10-minute continuous session in the last 10 minutes.

Total Time: 5 hours.

If all tasks are completed early → Remaining time can be used to retry any maps if needed.

Part 2 – Additional Setups and Servers

Play on kreedz.ee server (map of choice) to achieve several strong times, still using Part 1 hardware.

Play fastrun for 20–30 minutes using ShoCk’s mouse.

Finally, use Outside’s original setup to play fastrun or mls_leble_bhop for 20–30 minutes both on LAN and kreedz.ee.

Part 3 – Comparative Player Testing

While Outside plays with the new mouse, ShoCk (and possibly Toff) will test both their own setups and Outside’s setup.

ShoCk will attempt strong times on a speed/bhop map using his own mouse, then switch to Outside’s keyboard/mouse to compare results. DPI changes are allowed.

Streaming & Recording Requirements

Stream the entire process.

If the LAN café permits, also stream gameplay directly.

Save all livestreams and submit all recorded demos to the involved parties.

End of Check → When all demos are submitted and the livestream is saved.

To ensure maximum accuracy, one day before the in-person check, I asked outside to submit fresh demos on all five maps under the specified conditions. These demos served as a performance benchmark for the actual check. The entire process was transparent, with ongoing discussions and community involvement taking place in our discord server.

Before diving into a summary of the in-person check and its results, let me first share all the demos and recordings from the event:

PRELIMINARY DEMOS BY OUTSIDE (one day before the check)
IN-PERSON CHECK ALL DEMOS
TWITCH VOD COMPILATION
VIDEO RECORDINGS COMPILATION (better quality, longer)

9.1 IN-PERSON CHECK DISCUSSION

There are a few important points to highlight about the in-person check. While we managed to carry out the key parts of the original plan, technical difficulties prevented us from implementing everything. However, the test ultimately ended up being stronger in some aspects than we initially expected.

Initially, ShoCk visited several LAN cafes around Moscow before settling on a final location. The main challenge was that most LAN cafes prohibit downloading files from the internet for security reasons. The first LAN cafe we chose was one of the few exceptions, but getting permission required significant effort on ShoCk’s part.

Outside insisted on using the /multibhop command on LAN to maintain comfort while bhopping—a common and understandable preference among bhoppers.

Unfortunately, even the LAN cafe admins were unsure how to disable their protections to allow downloading the KZ-Rush LAN pack, causing delays and forcing us to prioritize fewer maps.

As a result, we were unable to include kz_shrubhop_h in the test.

Thanks to some quick improvisation on the spot—which you can actually hear as I called ShoCk and Kpoluk several times to give them additional instructions—we were able to extend the check by two hours to compensate for lost time. We also moved to a second LAN café, which helped strengthen the legitimacy of the test. At this second location, outside was allowed to play only using a brand-new mouse and keyboard.

There were some other challenges, including poor lighting and an unstable internet connection that affected the Twitch VOD, although the video recording itself remained clear and visible in the end.

Here are some key moments from the video recording with timestamps:

00:13:00 – outside meets everyone (no pun intended)
00:21:00 – Unboxing the new Logitech G903 mouse
01:10:00 – outside plays using ShoCk’s keyboard and the new mouse
02:39:50 – outside plays with his own keyboard and the new mouse
03:23:45 – New keyboard arrives and is unpacked
04:27:00 – At the second LAN café, outside plays exclusively with the new keyboard and mouse until the end

Also, thanks to Kpoluk, here is the exact order of setups outside used during the check

Worth noting that from setup 1 to 5 he played on the first LAN cafe, and setup 6 was entirely used only on the second LAN cafe.

With this being said, here's what outside achieved and what he didn't:

1. Multiple 26 second runs with different setups on LAN and online on fastrun -> YES

He achieved this with the following setups: new mouse + ShoCk's keyboard on LAN ; new mouse + his keyboard on LAN ; his mouse + his keyboard on LAN ; new mouse + his keyboard on kreedz.ee server ; his mouse + new keyboard on LAN (all first LAN cafe) ; new mouse + new keyboard on kreedz.ee server (second LAN cafe) -> All of these in about 15 minutes of uptime, some even first try. E.g. new mouse + new keyboard on kreedz.ee server (first LAN cafe) -> 00:26.20.

2. Reaching up to 370 GS speed and mainting over 340 speed for at least 10 ducks -> YES

He achieved this new mouse + ShoCk's keyboard (384 peak LAN Speed) in about 10 minutes ; new mouse + his keyboard on kreedz.ee server (370 peak speed, done in less than 1 minute) ; and new mouse + new keyboard [second LAN cafe] (360 peak speed, but maintained several times 10 ducks with an average of 340 speed ; 8 mnutes of attempts)

3. Beating the world record of mls_leble_bhop -> YES

He beat the world record on mls_leble_bhop using the new mouse + new keyboard on the second LAN cafe in the kreedz.ee server. It took him a total of 20 minutes. Before he beat the record, he also improved the server record, setting up the following times: 00:25.1 ; 00:25.0 ; 00:24.9 and finally 00:24.6, beating both LeblE's and his own ex-WR.

4. kzru_hb_alliance in under 30 minutes (allowed to skip choke points -> YES/MAYBE

An X-D map wasn't originally part of the plan, it was a request made by sekai, so huge props to him for pretty much setting up everything about it. Since we left the conditions to sekai, it was up to him to decide whether outside succesfully passed the test or not. The idea was to overall display x-d climbing consistency, and according to sekai, even though he didn't do the map in under 30 minutes, he was still more than satisfied with the result.

5. kz_shrubhop_h -> WASN'T PLAYED

Due to time constraints, this map wasn't played. The original intent was to see how outside would perform on a bhop map without /showpre and /multibhop pre enabled. The reason was because he has a close to WR time on LAN. Nevertheless, it was one of the least important maps, so that's why we decided to scrap this one in favour of the others.

6. Other Stats ; Preliminary Demos -> YES

The preliminary demos provided by outside went according to the conditions we originally set out for him. The highlight would be his LAN WR on mls_leble_bhop and the uptime for the GS portion, which was quite similar to what he did on the live check: First GS demo had 387 peak speed and 50 seconds uptime and second GS demo had 369 peak speed with 4 minutes of uptime.

9.2: RESULTS

Although it was mentioned from the start that we all voted FOR an unban, the first step was to determine whether outside had actually passed the in-person check. It didn’t take more than a few days for everyone to reach a unanimous agreement: outside had successfully passed the test.

Moreover, as noted earlier, ShoCk observed additional gameplay sessions at his place, since outside missed his flight. Even then, outside delivered incredible results—this time playing on ShoCk’s setup (mouse and keyboard), with the game already launched and only minor sensitivity changes made, together with a switch for scrollwheel jump and duck directions. In ShoCk’s own words, outside’s performance was once again “mindblowing.”

LAN DEMO ANALYSIS: All three democheckers involved at the time unanimously agreed that outside’s style remained consistent and that his execution matched his usual gameplay time durations. While Kpoluk didn’t provide much input on the demos—since he was observing outside in person— Fiveshot, phayzeeVW, and Ahful all confirmed that outside played exactly as he normally does. Notably, Fiveshot made an important statement that actually supports outside’s case regarding the 2025 ban: he said that if he didn’t know this was an in-person check, he would ban outside for the very same reasons he originally did back in early 2025. This candid admission made it clear that outside is truly an anomaly among anomalies, and that it’s completely understandable for any demochecker—or demochecking enthusiast—to suspect cheating based on his playstyle.
ONLINE SERVER ANALYSIS: Outside played two times on the kreedz.ee server, once on the first LAN cafe, and once on the second LAN cafe (the latter for the entire time). The results of the online portion are best described by r0byN:

Online server live check audit by Kreedz.ee

Subject: outside
Date: 18.05.2025 in about 16:00-22:00 EST, done in two sessions

1.First LAN cafe session

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outside:
-> Played with kpoluk steam account (STEAM_0:0:43813482).
-> Played fastrun map, where he managed to get 26.269 time with bhop method, relatively fast.
-> Quickly demonstrated that he was able to get up to 370 speed ddrun in fastrun map.
-> Got no anticheat detections from the server anticheat.

BHOPS
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Total: 548
FOG1: 224, FOG2: 294, FOG3: 30, FOG4: 0
FOG1+2: 94.53% (usually good players get 90-93)
FOG Perfects: 62.04% (usually good players get 45-50)
Average maxspeed: 323.06 (usually good players get 295-300)
Average prespeed: 270.69 (usually good players get 245-250)
Average scrolls before jump: 0.09 (usually good players get 1.00-3.00)
Average scrolls after jump: 3.27 (usually good players get 300-4.00)

2. Second LAN cafe session

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outside:
-> Played with shock steam account (STEAM_0:0:31534726).
-> Played fastrun map, where he managed to get 26.419 time with bhop method, relatively fast.
-> Played mls_LeblE_bhop map, where he managed to get 24.679 time, beating world record in no time.
-> Played kzru_hb_all1ance map, where he managed to get 42 min time, he was struggling, got stuck 2 times, had to slap.
-> Demonstrated that he was able to get up to 360 speed ddrun in fastrun map, altho with some struggling, most of the time he had max 340 speed.
-> Got one anticheat detection from the server anticheat while ddrun:
[GSHACK (#0002): Duck timing too perfect (Avg speed: 326.26 | Timelen: 2.44 | Deviation: 0.00526012)]

BHOPS
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Total: 1854
FOG1: 810, FOG2: 868, FOG3: 163, FOG4: 13
FOG1+2: 90.51% (usually good players get 90-93)
FOG Perfects: 52.70% (usually good players get 45-50)
Average maxspeed: 313.53 (usually good players get 295-300)
Average prespeed: 262.92 (usually good players get 245-250)
Average scrolls before jump: 0.20 (usually good players get 1.00-3.00)
Average scrolls after jump: 3.77 (usually good players get 300-4.00)

3. Sidenotes

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-> There is not enough data. Reliable data is starting from 10-20k total jumps, altho 2.4k gives some estimate.
-> Scrolls = IN_JUMP frames
-> FOG Perfects: Bhops with FOG1 and speed under 299.973 AND with FOG2 and speed over 299.973
-> To ensure accurate stats: Bhops with too low or too low speeds are ignored, collected speedrange is about 100-400. Data is collected when time is running, but not on pause or when player is "funjumping" without doing a run.

4. Observations

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-> outside stats are clearly better than the stats of a good player, indicating either a cheat or a true talent.
-> outside actual performance is about the same in both sessions, which indicates either cheating in both sessions or not cheating in both sessions, but no cheating in one and not cheating in another.
-> A little weaker stats on second lan cafe session is reasonable: he played kzru_hb_all1ance, made more jumps in total and was tired.
-> Generally, outside survived live anticheat. Although he had one anticheat detection, it could have been a false detect. It's a good sign, indicating he was not cheating blatantly.
-> outside tends to get very high average speeds. Player with highest prespeed in Kreedz.ee has 254.19 average speed, and outside got about 265 average speed.
-> outside tends to get significantly more FOG2 than FOG1, its unusual, indicating cheats, altho a reminder: there is not enough data.
-> Average scrolls before jumps is very low, he starts scrolling very late, a fraction before jumping. This is very unusual, there is no other player with such numbers, there is only one player that manages to get less than 1.00 average scrolls before jumps: MrjuiceGOD, based on Kreedz.ee data. In total, outside makes about 3.5 scrolls average while bhopping, usually players make about 5-6 scrolls.
-> outside managed to get similar (or even slighty better) stats he had on Kreedz.ee servers before the live check, he gets almost similar results in home environment as in live check, which indicates either cheating in both home/livecheck or not cheating in both home/livecheck

5. Final Conclusion

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Given that outside successfully met or exceeded all live test expectations:
-> Reproduced signature anomalies
-> Beat a world record under test
-> Showed broad skill replication across multiple maps and styles
-> Survived server anticheat and manual scrutiny

outside is likely an extremely rare outlier, it is unlikely that outside is cheating.

To best describe the outcome of the in-person check, I’d like to quote Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s iconic character, Sherlock Holmes:

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

If anyone still doubts the legitimacy of the live checks, then the doubt lies not with us, but with your willingness to trust. I have no further evidence or words that could change your mind—it ultimately comes down to your choice to believe us or not.

And of course, I have not forgotten my original promise to outside, since I said I would offer an official apology if he successfully passed the in-person check, so here it is:

Outside has indeed proven he is capable of displaying high-level bhop consistency and accuracy, even with limited preparation time. I personally apologize for doubting his ability to perform at such a level throughout these years.

This should have marked the conclusion of this newspost. However, as I mentioned earlier, we decided to spend more time re-investigating the original 2021 demos. So now, let’s move on to the final chapter of the outside saga.

PART 10: FINAL REVIEW OF THE 2021 DEMOS, OUTSIDE UNBANNED IN KREEDZ.COM AND COSY-CLIMBING

The best way to start this part of the conversation is by mentioning that Fiveshot, after reviewing and discussing the in-person check results, suggested an immediate unban for outside. However, I had to quickly remind him that such a decision couldn’t be rushed, as we were still operating under the assumption that outside had cheated in his 2021 demos—or at least demonstrated some form of cheating. This was based on the mixed majority vote from early 2025, where some believed he cheated between 2022 and 2025, while others thought it was in 2021.

When I raised this point, one of our head administrators, r0byN, proposed that we re-examine the 2021 demos in light of the new insights about outside’s playstyle. After all, outside had demonstrated things that we previously thought were impossible. It was easier to conclude that the 2025 ban was unjustified because the style in those demos matched his current gameplay more closely, but the 2021 style was still notably different.

Fortunately, Ahful managed to find demos from 2021 where outside’s bhop style was very similar or nearly identical to his more recent demos. While there was a rapid shift in his playing style over a few months, this evidence suggested that he might naturally possess an instinctive talent for scroll timing.

That said, Fiveshot still expressed doubts that outside didn’t cheat back in 2021, although he remained supportive of the unban. Unfortunately, due to delays in the full reports from phayzeeVW and Ahful, by the time their analyses were ready, Fiveshot had become inactive and was unable to further discuss the 2021 demos. So, it’s unclear whether he would have changed his opinion on the 2021 demos if he had continued.

~~Regardless, Fiveshot agreed to proceed with the unban in cosy-climbing and delegated the authority to carry it out to pacMan, who was given the necessary permissions by Fiveshot himself.~~

*UPDATE 11/08/2025 - Fiveshot has clarified that he has never explicitly given the ´green light´ to pacMan to unban outside in cosy-climbing. However, he did give him unban permission rights to do as he sees fit, and furthermore has clarified that he does not mind a ban or an unban, as it´s ultimately dependant on what the community and kreedz.com staff is in agreement to.

As for phayzeeVW, he also re-investigated the old demos. You may recall that in 2024, he described his findings as inconclusive. However, with the new data from the in-person check and further experience in demochecking, he now confidently states that outside’s 2021 demos show no evidence of external assistance strong enough to warrant a ban. He also pointed out that some suspicious elements found in the demos are common among many world record holders.

Kpoluk has never found strong enough evidence that outside cheated in 2021, so there was no need for him to revisit that stance. You can read more about his views on kz-rush.ru, where he shared his thoughts after participating in the in-person check. Meanwhile, Nannou, though currently inactive, last communicated that he found nothing substantial enough for a ban in either the 2021 or 2025 demos.

Ultimately, based on these findings and the majority vote within our demochecking team, all six current members of head administration unanimously agreed that if outside did not cheat in 2021, then there is no justifiable reason to uphold his ban.

PART 11: THE FUTURE

I’d like to begin this final section by quoting Kpoluk himself, as his words are crucial for everyone reading this to understand:

… and we stand firmly by this statement. After all, it’s simply impossible to perform live checks on every single demo that has ever existed. There is always a chance that outside may have cheated in some demos, yet his overall gameplay level could still match those so-called “cheated” demos. However, this logic could be applied to any player and any demo, which is why the only reasonable course of action is to intervene only when there is evidence beyond any reasonable doubt.

In this case, outside has done more than enough to prove that what he does in his normal demos is plausible. Unless something truly extraordinary emerges—something beyond what we have already seen in the live checks—then and only then should we consider taking action.

Regarding the future of KZ and demochecking, as r0byN pointed out, this in-person check has been a significant milestone. While it may encourage more players to claim they can perform consistently at outside’s level, it also clearly establishes the upper limits of legitimate skill in KZ. From now on, when someone plays at an exceptionally high level, the initial thought won’t be, “They must be cheating,” but rather, “There’s a real possibility they’re legitimate—let’s wait, observe, and then draw conclusions.”

As a reminder, the mouse and keyboard purchased for the in-person check—both identical to outside’s current setup—are now in possession of ShoCk. They will be awarded as prizes in the next major KZ tournament!

For those curious, the total cost of the in-person check was approximately 450 EUR.

In conclusion, I want to sincerely thank everyone who took the time to read through this lengthy newspost. This case has spanned several years and involved numerous contributors, making it impossible to cover everything in a shorter format without losing critical context. Please also note that much information has been omitted, either due to demochecking confidentiality or due to having too many details.

Thanks once again to anyone who kept on reading —and welcome to kreedz.com, outside!

Yours sincerely,
Kreedz.com Administration