19 New Demos and 4 New Demo Rules

By faker mapper·
a0ke

bkz_pyramidblock done in 04:15 ( 04:45 FuzZerd )
kz_ea_parkblock done in 05:27 ( 06:22 kimo )

donakos

kz_kzfr_rabbithighway[-1337] done in 06:16 ( 08:32 faker )
kz_kzfr_rabbithighway[+1337] done in 10:59 ( n/a )

dr0n

bkz_wallblock done in 02:37 ( 02:39 zhady )

Himuraken

cg_brick done in 03:32 ( 04:17 Himuraken )
kz_ea_caveclimb_e done in 05:12 ( 05:21 dujeZ )
kz_underblock done in 12:10 ( 18:10 Frei )
vee_phgi_headquarters done in 03:25 ( 03:30 kekse )

Perfo

kz_arcdetriomphe done in 04:27 ( 04:30 FikoN )
kz_crs_iceclimb done in 03:45 ( 03:49 dujeZ )
kz_kzfr_notredame[+catacombs] done in 04:53 ( 04:57 faker )
kz_kzfr_tibet done in 08:28 ( 08:31 dropsys )
kz_man_dinocanyon done in 06:28 ( 06:29 Lsd- )
kz_man_dreaming done in 12:20 ( 12:45 kimo )
kz_underblock_ez done in 10:08 ( 10:27 ndR )
kz_wsp_inferno done in 11:30 ( 11:39 dropsys )

seaK

clintmo_longjumper[e] done in 01:07 ( 01:09 seaK )
kz_xj_caseblock_h done in 03:45 ( 03:48 seaK )

New Demo Rules

4 new rules about making record demos:

- Using Godmode isn't allowed any longer - use the health button!
- * If you want to use HLTV models, use the non-bugged XJ HLTV models. You can get them in the Download Section. Other HLTV models aren't allowed.
- Demos which require custom models, sprites or sounds arent accepted any longer.
- Adjust_crosshair scripts (changing the color of the crosshair) aren't allowed any longer.

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Sprite mapper
09/08/2006 05:43:00

gj dona.. <3

omilo
09/08/2006 06:28:00

wow some nice demos GJ guys esp a0ke & donakos :)

OddYsseus
09/08/2006 07:18:00

Almost all times are amazing. @seaK: I wanna see a caseblock demo without mistakes ;)

sambb
09/08/2006 07:30:00

amazing! gj all... :>

NiconeN
09/08/2006 08:11:00

omg najs demos all ! ^^

fuzzerd
09/08/2006 08:16:00

gj aoke for insane times

AverageFreak
09/08/2006 09:01:00

lol gj all esp. perfo and donakos :D

s0liD mapper
09/08/2006 09:14:00

Gj all .. u nerd's :/

donak0s !
09/08/2006 09:27:00

gj all :O esp. perfo, himu and dr0n :P

h1m1 mapper
09/08/2006 09:54:00

lol gj all esp. donakos , Perfo & Himuraken ;)

elITe^
09/08/2006 09:55:00

Agree with OddYssues.. and GJ perfo! nice done, u 2 a0ke <333 Finally some1 recorded highway :P GJ dona <3 gj rest of u

jeflefou
09/08/2006 10:11:00

bj HimuraKen, donakos and... and Perfo ! Perfo jumps machine :)

Himuraken
09/08/2006 10:20:00

can you explain why this new demo rules what the problems with adjust crosshair godmode instead healt button etc...... a post in the forum why not

PlAyMo
09/08/2006 10:20:00

perfo & himuraken are bitches :D dona is a g0d ^^ GJ dona uber nice demos :) GJ too others :)

Tupac
09/08/2006 10:24:00

hehe donakos is bhop machine

antero
09/08/2006 10:39:00

GJ Himuraken!!!!! HIMUUURAAAKEN!!

antero
09/08/2006 10:42:00

And dr0n!!

dr0n
09/08/2006 11:17:00

wow yea thank you :) my 1st record(but dno for how long :D )

ichirou
09/08/2006 11:34:00

yay, now I can watch the 1337 part. GJ donakos :)

DHT- Tournament #1
09/08/2006 11:54:00

men lol dr0n gj :D and a0ke got my sexy story in his demo :]

heat
09/08/2006 11:55:00

nice himu

PrEn1uMz
09/08/2006 12:05:00

gj all esp dona himu n perfo

ndR Tournament #2
09/08/2006 12:09:00

GJ Perfo, dona 'n Himu ! CXG's team is on fire :p GJ rest :)

Rominou
09/08/2006 12:29:00

gj all esp. himuraken perfo donakos => cxgteams :)

oRioN
09/08/2006 12:31:00

gj all , please explain the new demo rules.

soul v2.0 mapper
09/08/2006 12:42:00

Nice

a0ke
09/08/2006 13:07:00

Nice on cg_brick Himuraken!

lb1427[KzcN]
09/08/2006 13:49:00

i want to see tarGet on rabbithighway

Defari
09/08/2006 14:06:00

Wow huge demo-update Gj Aoke, Himuraken, and donakos, nice demos. Gj to the others too,

insen mapper
09/08/2006 14:12:00

the demo rule with hltv model sucks like hell im playing with them more than one year dunno if somebody else ahve them too hmm the other demo rules are"ok"

spolix
09/08/2006 14:20:00

n1 cxg =]

kewl mapper
09/08/2006 14:37:00

good job guys <3

Frei mapper
09/08/2006 15:02:00

himuraken because when you use the adjust_crosshair, our crosshair change too. It's boring >_< When you use the godmode, and when you fall, you can't have 0HP. It's easier ;) gj all agree with new demos rules

4`Ce
09/08/2006 15:10:00

danakos you are the man 1337 way :D

faker mapper
09/08/2006 15:25:00

word Frei. Godmode is a big advantage (no 0 hp bug, dont spend the time to walk through the health button each try) Custom Models: Demos cant be watched by normal users which dont have these custom models (which arent included in the map package) Crosshair/HLTV: Crosshair color of the Demo-Viewer changes too, HLTV Models or cl_lw 0 remove the Animation for the Demo-Viewer too. Another point is that XJ wants to have the same conditions for all jumper and as much standard settings as possible.

inSaaaNe
09/08/2006 15:55:00

gj all esp. himuraken and donakos ;) nice rules imo

-Cast0rrrrr-
09/08/2006 16:15:00

crazy update

maniac
09/08/2006 16:45:00

gj all! esp. faker ;)

HoHo^
09/08/2006 17:20:00

gj all :D :D. I'm gonna try to search my hltv models and delete them.

eiRa mapper
09/08/2006 19:21:00

u guys are crazy..

PlAyMo
09/08/2006 20:00:00

these news rules are nice... GJ faker

insen mapper
09/08/2006 21:12:00

Custom Models: Demos cant be watched by normal users which dont have these custom models (which arent included in the map package) the crosshair is a permanent change until u change it in the console or whereever but hltv models dont change anything except that u dont see the animation in the demo and whats with mp_fade2black and all that shit think before you act!

Alts!cH
09/08/2006 21:55:00

[quote]New Demo Rules 4 new rules about making record demos: - Using Godmode isn't allowed any longer - use the health button! - HLTV Models or cl_lw 0 (same effect) aren't allowed any longer. - Demos which require custom models, sprites or sounds arent accepted any longer. - Adjust_crosshair scripts (changing the color of the crosshair) aren't allowed any longer.[/quote] Seriously admins? What is it with these new demorules!? cl_lw does not improve jumping AT ALL!! But it changes the feeling of jumping for the player.. I cannot have USP in right hand or knife in left hand, it feels sooooo FUCKED UP! If I would still be recording demos I would not give a shit about these rules, I would still use cl_lw 0 and I would have white crosshair, and if I wanted to use "rainbow crosshair" I would do that too. And if you wouldn't accept my demos, then fuck it! And custom models is up to the player, (i'd say) if I use custom models regularly, then I wouldn't change my settings everytime I record just to please your strange and ridicilous rules. If there's a HP button then godmode is bound to be ok!? It's the same principle.. Right? What does it matter, withdraw these dumb rules These rules also incists that it is ok to break these demo-rules in cup and in longjumps.. Since my 250 units was made with cl_lw 0 I ask you to remove it, I didn't even submit it for the thread and I obviously cheat in it!? And please, feel free to ban me for objecting against these rules and taking up these examples and using sometimes foul language, but for god sakes!! LET THE PEOPLE PLAY KZ THEIR OWN WAY, just cause you people may not be affected by this, that does not mean that everyone should use default config when playing kz!? IN THAT CASE FREAKING BAN EVERYONE USING SCROLL CAUSE THAT IS MORE OF AN ADVANTAGE THAN ANYTHING ELSE!!!!! You can also ban me for abusing CAPS LOCK but that is not my problem really, if this is the case then I'll keep off the kz-scene in the future and let you guys twist it, bend it, and ruin it after your own feelings.........

OddYsseus
09/08/2006 22:09:00

The management will think again about cl_lw. I don't wanna ban you. I also know that hating something is very easy.

iv4n
09/08/2006 22:21:00

Alts!cH is kz_che_guevara :D, rulez are fair (except for cross) i think

Alts!cH
09/08/2006 22:21:00

I don't hate, I dislike I always thought kz was about being fun and also a bit like a democracy...? This is more like dictatorship... Except that owners of the kz-scene was never even selected or voted for? (I don't think that we don't have anything to thank you for... but kz was always about fun and something to do on your sparetime when you wanted to relax, not so much anymore.......)

OddYsseus
09/08/2006 22:36:00

You could at least thank us for running this site.

MilkDrop
09/08/2006 22:38:00

Crosshair script, HLTV models and cl_lw does NOT give you any type of advantage. It's a matter of personal liking. I think those rules are fucking ridicilous. But hey, what do I care? I'm not submitting demos. But still, guys, get your act together.

H.o.r.s.t.
09/08/2006 23:29:00

Alts!cH dont try to change something :) I also tried it several times, there is no way. Very first rule: Admins are always right ;)

FikoN
09/08/2006 23:54:00

I'm against the cl_lw rule too, and I'm an admin :p

fuzzerd
10/08/2006 00:11:00

I don't get what cl_lw 0 does it doesnt seem to do anything.

faker mapper
10/08/2006 00:27:00

There was a misinformation (we thought it ripps away the weapon animations cause of a bugged demo) about cl_lw which turned out to be NOT true so the rule was removed (about 2 hours ago). so why are you still talkin about it? the rest is fair for sure, so top sensless flaming.

H.o.r.s.t.
10/08/2006 00:30:00

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faker mapper
10/08/2006 00:53:00

* the rest is fair for sure, so stop sensless flaming.

oRioN
10/08/2006 00:59:00

hm im not climbing - no time for it, im just watching some good new wrs.. my opinion is nothing here, i know, but i think that god mode rule is okay (because of the 0hp advantage), crosshair rule is okay too (because some guys may not like the still changing cross thingy) demos with custom models rule is okay too (I though that this rule is applied already) but im not sure about the HLTV models rule..

MilkDrop
10/08/2006 01:28:00

faker, why is the HLTV and crosshair rule fair? It doesnt give the player any type of advantage what so ever? HLTV models takes away the animation when you are changing weapons, that does not affect the climbing? And if the crosshair changes color, doe that make you jump further? No, it does NOT give you any type of advantage. I think the rules are stupid. But that's just my opinion.

insen mapper
10/08/2006 01:51:00

milkdrop learn to read that would be great

MilkDrop
10/08/2006 01:59:00

InseN, excuse me? Maybe you should learn how to read, or maybe you could try explaining to me what i have missed?

FikoN
10/08/2006 02:14:00

1. Using Godmode isn't allowed any longer - use the health button! 2. HLTV Models aren't allowed any longer. 3. Demos which require custom models, sprites or sounds arent accepted any longer. 4. Adjust_crosshair scripts (changing the color of the crosshair) aren't allowed any longer. 1. fair. This affects the game play. 2. sucks. This has nothing to do with the gameplay, only the appearance. 3. good rule 4. sucks. This has nothing to do with the gameplay, only the appearance.

MilkDrop
10/08/2006 02:18:00

FikoN, word :)

soul v2.0 mapper
10/08/2006 02:20:00

I play kz on default settings with no models or colour-changing crosshair or whatever. I'm fine with it. And to be fair, some cheaters have been busted because they get an advantage with colour-changing crosshair (special and banned commands, not the right command), so I guess this is just a precaution. And yes it is annoying when I watch (for example) donakos' rabbithighway +1337 demo, and my crosshair colour changes when I go in game. Yes it takes like 3 seconds to change back, but it's still annoying :p The no godmode rule is a rule that is fair to everyone imo. Sure if you get that 0hp bug on that perfect run, it's annoying as hell. But tbh if everyone tries to make records under the same conditions it's fair for all. But again, that's just my opinion. I dunno about the HLTV models rule. I've never noticed it or felt anyone's got an advantage from it. So prove me wrong I guess. I agree with the custom models, sprites rule. But again it hasn't bothered me. But it may have bothered others so blah. Anyway, to conclude this feature-length comment, I say that mostly the rules are fair and acceptable. I wasn't looked to to decide on the rules so I had no idea until they were announced. Yes kz is about fun, but if some rules aren't in place, it can become as cheat-ridden and unfair as normal CS.

r0fl
10/08/2006 02:51:00

i think the godmode rule is stupid. if you get a perfect beatiful run that is by far better than the current WR and if 0 hp fucks it up thats really a bad way to end things. for example ur doing a caseblock_h demo and that huge high long jump at the end, u make it but u get 0 hp when u land and everything is fucked and u dont get the demo just because u didnt get lucky. i think everyone should use godmode, that way its fair for everyone (no luck involved). but this rule is not really fair because its about luck, u can get 0 hp in a perfect run and not get the record demo and other person just gets lucky in an *ok* run, doesnt get 0 hp and has that demo.... not really fair. this is hard to explain but i think u know what i mean xD

r0fl
10/08/2006 02:52:00

also other rules are pretty much useless (meaning doesnt matter if they exist or not) so u can let them be ^^ except one ( demos without required custom models rule is a good one)

soul v2.0 mapper
10/08/2006 03:44:00

Ye but you can't exactly use godmode in gigablock, that would be unfair -.-

h1m1 mapper
10/08/2006 04:02:00

well why not the players use godmode on maps with HP buton ?

r0fl
10/08/2006 06:02:00

soul gigablock doesnt have health button so what i said has nothing to do with gigablock.. (i think it doesnt? never played gigablock rofl)

NiconeN
10/08/2006 08:35:00

r0fl i think that the godmode rule is not stupid, those who dont have amx at their lan server and who have no idea how to install amx, they cant have godmode? (correct me if im wrong) yes, there are many guides to install amx but its annoying to read webpages how do i do this how do i do that... so its a fair rule.

fuzzerd
10/08/2006 09:33:00

I don't even want to have amx on my lan server

antero
10/08/2006 10:26:00

How can I have and advantage over everybody else with HLTV models?

jeflefou
10/08/2006 13:35:00

I just want to say (again) gg all climbers (esp Perfo) for your beautiful demos. Don't forget theirs efforts !

4knuk
10/08/2006 14:22:00

nice Demos and the rules arent that good i agree with Altsich !

a0ke
10/08/2006 14:51:00

I think that you should be able to change crosshair and models as long as all you need is the map and the demo to watch it. If there is some changes it gives the author of the demo some more personality and thats just more fun imo. But i allready jumping as much standard as possible so it wont matter so much to me.

faker mapper
10/08/2006 15:19:00

ok, one last big statement. after this you all should understand it, if not it's not my problem... _ALL_ rules are fair, XJ just wants all jumpers which do record demos to jump under the same conditions (as close as possible). 1. Using Godmode isn't allowed any longer - use the health button! KZ Maps were made long before the AMX KZ-multiplugin (with godmode and stuff was) created. If the maps requires more then 100 HP for the jumper the mapper added a health button. Thats the way the mapper wanted the jumpers to do the map and thats the way XJ wants the jumpers to do the map. Back in the old days all the records were made with the health button (and the 0 HP problem). If all jumper use GODMODE nowadays thats unfair towards the old record demos AND its unfair towards the users who CANT have or DONT WANT to have AMX on their LAN server... 2. HLTV Models aren't allowed any longer. We don't want to take away the possibility that you feel more comfortable ingame, you can use HLTV Models whenever you want, BUT NOT IN RECORD DEMOS. Demos which have been recorded WITH HLTV Models dont have all these weapon animations included. If someone w/o HLTV models watches the demo all the weapon-wwitch or attack animations are ripped off. That looks ugly and is annoying for most of the spectators! Another point is, even though it's pretty improbable, that it is maybe possible that it influences the gameplay (maybe makes u switch the weapons faster or stuff like that). Nobody knows that for 100,0% sure. In all big and serious leagues (ESL, NGL, CPL) HLTV models are forbidden too , and im sure they aren't forbidden for NO reason... Thats the reason why we decided to forbid them. 3. Demos which require custom models, sprites or sounds arent accepted any longer. Thats just an old rule we wanted to highlight again, cause there where a few exceptions in the past (the kz_cg_xtremedesert demo of donakos for example). -> MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ONLY THE BASIC (map-related) MODELS, SPRITES AND SOUNDS IN UR CSTRIKE DIRECTORY. If demos require special models or sprites, normal users won't be abled to watch the demo without these special models (not included in the pack of the map). And that just sucks. 4. Adjust_crosshair scripts (changing the color of the crosshair) aren't allowed any longer. Since adjust_crosshair bound to the +jump key gives you an advantage in bhopping (eDark found that out half a year ago) we aren't that sure that there is no advantage if you bind adjust_crosshair to your strafe keys. The second point, why these scripts have been forbidden, is that the corsshair color for the Demo-Viewer changes, too. Thats very annonying for some users while they watch the demo (if they dont like this effect) AND it has another bad side effect: The crosshair color in the config of the demo-viewer changes after he watched the demo. So he has to change the color back to his old color (after he watched the demo). [some users dont even know how to change the color back to the old one.] If you want to have a white or a pink crosshair (I think AltsicH meantioned this) you can have it of course, there is no problem.... Just the change-scripts are forbidden cause of this 2 reasons. Hope all of you got it now, if you have still arguments against my text plz tell me, but dont come up with the same unlogical arguments you already did . amen

ey wo sind meine kekse ?
10/08/2006 15:20:00

gj himu

FikoN
10/08/2006 15:55:00

The thing adjust_crosshair does when placed after a command is that it delays the command if you just tap the button. So if you got, for example, D bound to "+moveright;adjust_crosshair", after you've released the button, the command will continue for like 0,001 second. Pretty much the same effect as putting wait in there so yeah maybe this rule is good. But don't take away the possibility for people to have disco crosshairs (adjusting crosshair with m_pitch). Create a rule saying something like this instead: "No movement keys are allowed to be bound to anything else than the movement command they are used for." and give an example about what is allowed and what isn't allowed. And now you might say that the problem with player's having their crosshair changed is still there. But that's not a problem. When I recorded world records I sure as hell didn't do it for people to watch it. I did it for my own sake -.- Just put in FAQ how a player can change his crosshair. "problem" solved.

oRioN
10/08/2006 16:48:00

[i] "_ALL_ rules are fair, XJ just wants all jumpers which do record demos to jump under the same conditions (as close as possible)." [/i] HLTV models = exactly the [b]same[/b]conditions for a jumper as the normal ones. faker thats just the fact. those leagues have forbiden a lot of things that doesnt affect gameplay (there are allowed only few of cvars to change) and there are forbidden changing of any model / sprite / sound / whatever. HLTV Models doesnt affect / delay / change anything else but appearance. It has no influence in whatsoever other and no you [b]DO NOT[/b] change weapons faster or aneything elZe. Thats just programmed in cs engine. You can have no models or whatsoever models and it doesnt affect anything but the fokin' apperance. Just and only the apperance.

faker mapper
10/08/2006 17:16:00

FikoN: Yes, maybe m-pitch is a little bit "better" than the adust_crosshair scripts but still: these scripts are just unnecessary and kiddie style, there is no reason why people should use them BUT there are several reasons why people shouldn't use them. (like the reasons I meantioned). oRioN: Please give me a 100% proof that it is true what you are saying. I guess u cant? And still... There is no big league were you are allowed to use HLTV models. People accepted it, and people will have to accept it on XJ. And besides of this, the models still rip off the weopon change animations and attack animations out of the demo which UBER sucks for the demo-viewer.

Himuraken
10/08/2006 17:45:00

"Thats very annonying for some users while they watch the demo [u](if they dont like this effect)"[/u] if they do not like this effect they have only with step to look at the demonstration, as known as altsich you must take pleasure to climb and there me am only decreased this pleasure to be able to record a record for the other rules, little imports me because they do not relate to me directly but I can include/understand their desaprouvation

Himuraken
10/08/2006 17:46:00

sorry if the traduction is not very good but i use a web translator my english skill is as my kzclimbing not very good ^^ sorry again

FikoN
10/08/2006 18:10:00

Worst argument ever. There is no reason for anyone to change any of the settings except the rates and a few more things so you might as well tell everyone to use a complete default config. The ripped of attack animations "UBER sucks" for you. Not for everyone. Everyone does not agree with you when it comes to how things should look. And again, most demo recorders does not record demos for people to watch it. They record them for their own sake. So stop using that as an argument. -.-

antero
10/08/2006 20:05:00

"[b]Since adjust_crosshair bound to the +jump key gives you an advantage in bhopping[/b] (eDark found that out half a year ago) we aren't that sure that there is no advantage if you bind adjust_crosshair to your strafe keys." A:ASD:ASDAS:DAS idiots hahaha

Alts!cH
10/08/2006 20:09:00

The change of a model is a change of a look of something, it creates an ILLUSION. Same with changing sound, it also creates an ILLUSION. You can use thousands of different models in counterstrike. But HLTV-models are different from the other models, it does not force the viewer to download anything (which MIGHT be an ok argument to forbid models??). It removes the animation, it's all an ILLUSION that the animation(s) does not exist. BUT you do not change the sourcecode of the game, since you only add an .mdl-file, and this CANNOT in any way intrude on the sourcecode of the game to make it able for you to shoot within a shorter time of the weaponswitch. Therefor this rule (I think) is irrelevant, and you can execute ALL the investigations you want to prove me wrong. But there is NO way a .mdl-file alone can change something that has something to do with the creation of the game. As I said, it is just an illusion, the animation is there but it is hidden along with the sound (same thing with r_drawviewmodel 0)

soul v2.0 mapper
10/08/2006 20:15:00

HoHo^ (L) Just to take your minds of the argument briefly

faker mapper
10/08/2006 20:34:00

1st Warning for antero: Flaming without using the brain. 2nd Warning -> Ban. Since adjust_crosshair bound to the +jump key gives you an advantage in bhopping That is a fact. We dont need to discuss about that...If you dont believe it ask eDark with technical details

MilkDrop
10/08/2006 21:04:00

I downloaded my HLTV models from CPL's website when I used them about 1-2 years ago so I can't really understand why that should be a problem? Sure, they might be banned now but that still applies to standard cs rules and has nothing to do with the kz community. You say you want proof for HLTV models not giving any kind of advantage in jumping, but can you give any proof that it does? Just take away the HLTV models rule and everyone will be happy. You say that it looks ugly for the people watching the demo? What does it matter? They don't complain if they watch a cup or something on the HLTV? Or if they watch the cpl finals? Besides, what kind of an argument is this: "that it is maybe possible that it influences the gameplay (maybe makes u switch the weapons faster or stuff like that). Nobody knows that for 100,0% sure." ? That has nothing to do with jumping? Even if you would change weapons 1 ms faster, would that affect your jumping? Absolutely not. Peace out.

MilkDrop
10/08/2006 21:06:00

Sorry for doublepost but my comment is addressed to faker, so noone else but him needs to comment on my post unless you feel the need. Sorry again.

insen mapper
10/08/2006 21:17:00

i use hltv models since ~1 year i tryed to play without them today but it sucks -.- the weapon animations are ugly :D agree with milk

MilkDrop
10/08/2006 21:27:00

It's all a matter of personal taste. InseN is used to HLTV models and thinks original models is ugly. Some of you are used to original models and thinks HLTV models is ugly. Why create a rule for what you guys think is good when some people think it sucks? Let the players jump the way they want, unless it actually gives them any type of advantage over the other players. The only possible advantage HLTV models can give you is that you are used to them and can't jump with original models and vice versa. Don't know if "vice versa" is correct on english. But it means "And the other way around".

fuzzerd
10/08/2006 21:57:00

faker I don't see how the hltv models could affect gameplay other then appearence, and you have no evidence that it does. It is kind of annoying that the weapons don't show themselves as shooting, but its really not that big of a deal. I think you should put something like this in the rules instea: "in order to improve demo quality for the jumpers whatching your demos, we ask that you do not use hltv models when recording a demo". with the idea that exceptions will be made if it was an accident, or you just can't stand the look of normal models.

MilkDrop
10/08/2006 22:06:00

fuzzerd, I doubt that can be done. Then it will only be a rule that you can follow if you want to, and ignore if you feel like it. Rules are set to be followed without any exceptions. Unless there is a ubergood reason and the admin accepts it because he likes you :P But yeah, I'm glad too see that more people are on my side. Either they keep the rule which is of no use, or they remove it. In rules things are black and white, there is no greyscale.

faker mapper
10/08/2006 22:37:00

Why are you making such a big drama out of it? There are 329 maps on the list, 328 which have records AND >>> 1 <<< demo with HLTV models. Seems like HLTV Models are _REALLY_ popular... BTW: I was really angry when HLTV models became forbidden in the ESL (big german league). I got used to them and was very pissed that I had to stop to use them. After several months I forgot about them and now I regard them as non-sense. But this rule isnt about my opinion, it's about having the same conditions for all jumpers and about the comfort for the guys who enjoy watching record demos. So stop to discuss about _nothing_ and do it like zhady: STFU and play. He did 10 records in 1 day - without HLTV models, changing croshair colors or other sensless stuff. g_G

MilkDrop
10/08/2006 22:59:00

So just because they arent popular means that nobody will care? I'm just standing up for what I believe in. All jumpers have the same conditions, HLTV models or not. It still has no affect on jumping other than the personal comfort you get from playing the game with your personal settings (that does not affect the jumping, alot of cmds and scripts are of course forbidden. But that's just common sense to understand that.) Counter-Strike is easy to change so that you are satisfied with how it looks and performs. Why take away the pleasure from the people who use HLTV models? I mean, honestly, do you guys really mind if you watch the demo and there is no animation when he switches to usp? And as you said yourself, there is only one demo which has HLTV models in it. How come this is a problem even worth thinking about? If there arent many people who play with HLTV models (and record) then there is no specific reason to ban them? And for your information, I am not dicussing about "nothing" as you put it, I am discussing about the players rights to play the way we want to as long as we are legit and don't get an advantage over the opponents.

oRioN
10/08/2006 23:05:00

ok faker , i agree with this rules (+-) i cant proove it by making the movie with hltv and non hltv models and show you the time when you can throw a grenade or fire on the movie. But yes im lazy ..

Alts!cH
10/08/2006 23:15:00

word milkdrop, seeing how all these argument against the restriction of hltv-models adds up. And the restriction itself is based on just a guess.. I say, just remove the rule until the opposite has been proven, give the people the benefit of the doubt!

bhaal
10/08/2006 23:44:00

! CXG ! very nice :) dona, himu, perfo. new cxg demo soon ;)

faker mapper
11/08/2006 02:34:00

MilkDrop and Alts!cH: except of discussing that much you better should have invested the time like InseN: Searching non-bugged HLTV models which dont rip off the Weapon-Switch Animations for the Demo-Viewer. big thanks to InseN :)

MilkDrop
11/08/2006 02:55:00

faker, how come you never reply at any of my arguments? You directly skip to something else instead of giving us clarification about our arguments. You should counter the arguments and add your own? Yeah well, anyway. I did not understand your last post completely. Can you clarify? Is there HLTV models which does not change the animations for the demo viewers?

faker mapper
11/08/2006 03:15:00

I did, if you dont understand my arguments im sorry.

soul v2.0 mapper
11/08/2006 03:16:00

- * If you want to use HLTV models, use the non-bugged XJ HLTV models. You can get them in the Download Section. Other HLTV models aren't allowed. Misc > HLTV models

kz`Moxx mapper
11/08/2006 03:17:00

Woohoo, now i can use my hltv modelz <3

Jann!K
11/08/2006 03:18:00

101 ? :D

elITe^
11/08/2006 03:18:00

omg.. is this still going on? w00ts wrong with u guys :p

MilkDrop
11/08/2006 03:28:00

faker, whatever. You don't have to act superior just because you are an admin. Admin's are supposed to help members with their questions? Take some politeness lessons or something. soul|ftw, thanks for clarifying. I didnt read the original post. Keep up the good work as an admin. Atleast you do what an admin is supposed to. InseN, thanks for finding the HLTV models. Now everyone is happy again :) Everything I thought was unfair is now changed. That's great :) Keep up the good work xj. Peace out.

rbT
11/08/2006 03:41:00

-.-!! wow +1337 dj donakos :D

faker mapper
11/08/2006 03:46:00

Im not acting superior, you just dont understand what I'm saying. My last post wasnt meant aggressive or anything you suppose it to be, it's just my honest opinion. You asked questions and I answered them. You asked the same questions and I answered them again. Then u came up a 3th time with the same questions and I didnt saw a reason to answer again. That's all... And: If you think i'm a bad Admin and if you dont like my work... Take a look at the XJ page, especially the latest news, the mappingcontest and tuff and think them away and describe what you are seeing... So think before u start writing the next time. kk thx bye

MilkDrop
11/08/2006 04:38:00

faker, I havent said that you are a bad admin. I said you did not do what you where supposed to do at that time. I was reffering to this: "I did not understand your last post completely. Can you clarify? Is there HLTV models which does not change the animations for the demo viewers?", your answer: "I did, if you dont understand my arguments im sorry.".. That does not answer the question I asked now does it? You havent answered my questions over and over again. Show me where you have answered at the same questions several times. Or just duplicate times. There is no such thing. Well, fuck it. The rules have changed and I'm happy :) Oh btw, I always think before I write. Peace out.

faker mapper
11/08/2006 04:55:00

I wont spend any other time on these comments, if you read all the text again very carefully (!) you'll find out what I am talking about.

MilkDrop
11/08/2006 05:01:00

I have read them a couple of time already and I still can't see where you have answered any of my quetions multiple times. I don't see many posts from you who actually answer ANY of my quetions. But hey, like I said, the rules have changed so lets put this to an end. I'm looking forward to the next rules change. I hope you are too ;)

MilkDrop
11/08/2006 05:43:00

Since you cant edit the comments I will make a double post. Sorry for any inconveniance I may have caused you. I just wanted to say that if anyone is wondering why there is alot of missing letters, "S" to be exact, in my posts then the reason is that my keyboard is fucked up. I don't really think that somebody thinks it's annoying except for me but still. I just wanted to tell the world. Btw, I'm bored. Peace out.

FikoN
11/08/2006 13:37:00

Adjust_crosshair scripts (changing the color of the crosshair) aren't allowed any longer. There's just this rule left then :p People should be allowed to use m_pitch scripts for this. I can understand that it isn't allowed to bind them to your keys, but not that m_pitch scripts aren't allowed.

a0ke
11/08/2006 15:03:00

It's not allowed because it changes the crosshair color for the demo viewer.

FikoN
11/08/2006 17:01:00

I know. But I think that demo recorders should be able to decide wheter they wan't to use things like this. Demo viewers comes next. The "problem" is easily solved by adding a guide about how to change back your crosshair in the FAQ.

fuzzerd
11/08/2006 21:44:00

what I think would be cool, although I'm sure its non-existent, is a script/bind that changes the color of the crosshairs of the viewer to the color of the demoer at the start of the demo, and then somehow manages to change the crosshair color back to the viewers color at the end of the demo.

Alts!cH
12/08/2006 01:21:00

Make your .cfg a "read-only" file.. or rename your cfg to something else, eg. custom.cfg and make that file "read-only". Then just add exec custom.cfg at the end of your config file and problem is solved, you will not have any problems as a demoviewer.. The players should be the priority, not the audience. FikoN FTW