Changes in the Mapchecksystem #4

By faker mapper·
Hi guys,

after things havent been working out so great at kreedz.com, mainly because many of the important people left, the mappingteam & mappingchecking is moved to XJ again:

1. Because it's better if everything is at the same place.
2. Kreedz.com lost motivated people to keep the site & system running.

Let's hope that this is the last change for a long time and the "period of confusion" is over by today.

We didn't only change the sites; there are some changes in the system and lineup, too:

- No more beta checks. If you submit your map you will get it accepted or denied in 1 week. If it gets denied we will tell you the reasons, of course, what makes it almost a beta check! But please don't abuse it, we won't bother to test uber buggy maps at all!

Important: The maps that were in beta check status will have to be re-submitted, because we thought it wasn't fair to put them into the final votes since they are BETA. (The final maps got moved directly... this means kzlt_dementia, (kz)_cg_islands & (kz)_senskz_toonblock).

- We've set up a brand new gameserver to test the maps with the mapper if necessary (to show bugs etc.) AND to have a very cool and new opportunity to play the maps the night BEFORE they get released with some invited people. This has 2 advantages: A bunch of people can test the maps and maybe discover bugs that couldn't be found at LANgame testing within the mapteam. Also we can see how the map is doing "in action". If you want to be invited for such test sessions just be around and active over the whole place. We will commonly pick such people at first.

- This is the rest of the old team, and therefore the new team, that will handle the mapsubmissions and mapchecks in the future: FragMcCracken, SUBLIME, omilo, Z0ck3rOO7, radon, Simplicity, faker.

Moxx is going to assist as best as possible with mappingquestions, too! And remember: You are still more than welcome to join #mappers to get help and answers if you have mapping questions.

Important: We are looking for some fresh blood, means dedicated people that feel interested in taking part in the mapcheck process. If you want to contribute and help the community to get good quality maps in the future THIS IS YOUR CHANCE!

If you want to be in the team just write a comment under this news and answer the following questions:

- Why do you want to be in the team?
- Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified?
- How much time are you willing to spend on this job?

You can also contact one of the mapadmins in IRC or via email if you prefer that way.

Once again... lets hope you like the changes and especially the mappers are happy with the new system :)

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10/09/2007 20:28:00

hum, i think it'll be better now ;) hope it's the last change

10/09/2007 20:30:00

Good luck! especially for people who want to join the team =)

10/09/2007 20:32:00

Neat!

10/09/2007 20:36:00

will be better i think ;]

10/09/2007 20:36:00

yeah we wanna see more maps :( with KZ and faker nice ;)

10/09/2007 20:37:00

That is kewl :e

10/09/2007 20:38:00

- Why do you want to be in the team? I would like to be on the map admin team because I feel that XJ really needs some new faces in the map team, and I feel that I am a dedicated enough jumper/mapper to fill those shoes. I have been around XJ since '05 and I understand how things are run, and would like to be a part of the process. - Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified? I believe that if chosen for this map team I could bring my social skills and helping hands to any mapper that has a question or concern to the best of my abilities. I have mapped on several occasions and am familiar with the Hammer interface. If I do not know how to answer a mappers question, I will do everything in my power to get an answer to them. - How much time are you willing to spend on this job? I get out of school around 12 PM EST every day so I am willing to spend up to 2-4 hours a day dealing with the maps. Some days I have work until around 10 PM and then after that I will be available for 1-2 hours. I also can be contacted by several means and if someone has left me a question about their map, I will answer it as soon as I can. Thank you for reading :) - Please contact me via IRC with any decisions. (nick [KzM]Juhmp)

10/09/2007 20:38:00

great! :)

10/09/2007 20:46:00

gl to u ;)

10/09/2007 20:46:00

Nice, hope it will stay good now =)

10/09/2007 20:56:00

- Why do you want to be in the team? Because I'm "young" jumper and XJ needs new faces. I'm very interested in kz and I want to take part in things which are usefull and necessary. - Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified? I think I'm qualified for this job because I'm good at speaking English and I know how to map with hammer. - How much time are you willing to spend on this job? From monday to friday I can spend about 2 hours, sometimes more, sometimes less. And on saturdays and sundays I can spend about 3-4 hours. Sometimes more,but not less. I hope you contact me to give me an answer. [email protected] (MSN/E-Mail) or 280702126(icq) greetings

10/09/2007 20:56:00

1st question - Okay its a simple question and a simple answer.To make things better,faster and release more maps in a shorter time ofcourse just quality maps and I hang around here everyday so its my internet home.. 2nd question - Why ?? I actually dont know why because there are a lot of guys chose from. But I can map good ( Hope its not just my opinion but a lot of people said I map good so thats it ) and I can jump too so it wont be a problem to test maps.. ofcourse im not a projumper =E 3rd question - Oh yeah the time.I can spend all my free time.Ofcourse I dont have time to hang around the PC all day but ill make time for map testing thats not a problem.But when my girlfriend comes to ICQ I have to quit.Real life is more important to me then some KZ maps sorry but I think everybody understands that. So, thats it. Now its up to you. I hang around IRC nick - j2s^s0liD Or you can often find me on ICQ - 265 873 653 LET THE GAME BEGIN.

10/09/2007 21:26:00

OK

10/09/2007 21:32:00

:)) Gl everyone and ofc it's nice that's something is going on now, hope it'll work

10/09/2007 21:43:00

hopefully this will solve it :)

10/09/2007 21:48:00

Gotta try ^^ - Why do you want to be in the team? I'm tired of buggy maps and want to make the maps less buggy and of course give some mappers good ideas of how the jumps could be and give them some advice about making maps. - Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified? I have been mapping for some years (pretty inactive though) and i have pretty a lot of experience about mapping. On top of that i think i can be able to test the maps because of my jumping skills. I've always wanted to affect the maps that come out and fix some things. - How much time are you willing to spend on this job? Always when there is something to do and i don't have something else to do. Usually i have time at random times after school (i have a life tbh) and almost always at 20-23. Obviously my irc nick is Flibo :)

10/09/2007 21:53:00

fuck .... my english suxx to join the team :(

10/09/2007 22:02:00

great to have the old map checks back!

10/09/2007 22:13:00

indeed rad0n:D

10/09/2007 22:26:00

- Why do you want to be in the team? BECAUSE I WANT TO! - Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified? Well, give me a reason why you shouldn't pick me! I'm qualitaristic. - How much time are you willing to spend on this job? hmm, I don't know.. I don't make plans, It's not my style.

10/09/2007 22:34:00

my vote goes to HoHo

10/09/2007 22:34:00

Hoho's words :D that's my reason why i want to be map checker or whatever is the position i don't wanna any admins rights even tho, just i want to make sure that in the x-j community will have better maps for future. gl and hf !

10/09/2007 22:35:00

i think this system will work better than that before :)

10/09/2007 22:45:00

- Why do you want to be in the team? because HoHo^ will be in the mapteam !

10/09/2007 22:54:00

[b]- Why do you want to be in the team?[/b] [i]Because i started the change with the forum post.[/i] [b]- Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified?[/b] [i]I don't think. The team should think why they should choose me. Qualified? Maybe or maybe not. It is depends on the one who is looking on my maps.[/i] [b]- How much time are you willing to spend on this job?[/b] [i]Tuesday thirsday friday saturday and sunday. Prefertime for maptest is evening time from 8pm to 6am[/i] [b]Contact[/b] [i]You know where you can find me.[/i]

10/09/2007 23:33:00

I really want to see demolite, solid, flibo, juhmp, and hoho on the team! Would be tight :D

11/09/2007 00:03:00

and nasty :D

11/09/2007 00:11:00

I hope, that there will be someone who will check the fpses. In some maps ppl without uber-good pc have ~30 fps and just in lj zones ~40 fps. That realy isn't good, specialy if chalange is extreme.

11/09/2007 00:26:00

[i]Why do you want to be in the team?[/i] Because I want to make the mapcheck process more effective, that means to make it better and faster! And of course I want to support the climbing community! [i]Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified?[/i] Because I have some mapping experience which can bring the team a benefit. I have an good eye for finding bugs or for jumps which don't fit to the rest of the map. I'm creative, so I can help mappers to make things which are not that good better. I can help mappers fixing bugs and things like that... I'm a very helpful person. [i]How much time are you willing to spend on this job? [/i] I can spend every day like 1-2 hours in this job! If necessary, more! [i]Contact[/i] eMail: [email protected] ICQ: 153921045 For this job I can also get active in IRC! :)

11/09/2007 01:22:00

cant re upload the map, The Server made a boo boo! would be nice if you fix that :p

11/09/2007 01:57:00

gl applicants :D

11/09/2007 05:05:00

- Why do you want to be in the team? because i was on it on kreedz.com and i actually HELPED - Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified? i've made lots of maps and i know how to fix most stuff, and i can find bugs well - How much time are you willing to spend on this job? i'll test a map once or twice when it's posted, then i'll vote

11/09/2007 06:17:00

Cheers

11/09/2007 07:52:00

4th time is a charm!

11/09/2007 11:19:00

eiRa: Will be fixed asap!

11/09/2007 11:23:00

Where are LOLLY's and ichirou's applications btw? :x

11/09/2007 12:55:00

good luck u all especialy hoho ^^ i don't want in the checkteam i only want to talk to people with problems on their maps and help them to solve i know there is #mappers but some ppl don't want to speak about it in #mappers because of secret projects and stuff... there is a job like that assistant but u search for a mapcheckadmin so... when u are interested anyway please contact me in irc "DaMp" :)

11/09/2007 14:10:00

- Why do you want to be in the team? [b][/b] Because i will fit in nicely, i will be mature to others. - Why do you think we should pick you? [b][/b] Because i will be on all the time to answer people mapping who need help, everytime ive asked for help in #mappers theres no reply, i will make a difference by helping mapping beginners Are you qualified? [b][/b] yes - How much time are you willing to spend on this job? [b][/b] anytime given :)

11/09/2007 14:33:00

1. I have always wanted to help XJ and its community any way I can. I think I can be useful as a mapchecker, cause I am quite patient and always try to give detailed explainations to people's problems. 2. It is up to you if you want to pick me. I've been mapping for 2 years now and I'm quite familiar with how hammer works, so I think I'm qualified enough. 3. I can spend all the free time I want, unless I am in a raid (WoW players know what I'm talking about :D )

11/09/2007 15:10:00

eiRa: The bug has been fixed. Please try it again :)

11/09/2007 15:39:00

[b]- Why do you want to be in the team?[/b] Because I hate it when buggy maps are released (big shortcuts and such) and I know I wont be inactive cuz that really pisses me off (the whole kreedz thing) [b]- Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified?[/b] Well I have no idea, ur loss If u dont choose me. I havnt released more then 1 map but I have a lot of maps under production so I know how hammer works and Im quite good when it comes to jumping (I can beat all maps except in_extreme and cg_extreme =P) My skills in english is really good imo and I dont think its hard to understand people when they cant speak english very well. I will be able to answer questions and such in the forum during work cuz I have alot of free time waiting for the machine to be finished (and I can install mIRC to if I get picked to be able to answer peoples questions. [b]- How much time are you willing to spend on this job? [/b] I spend all my free time on the computer (after work ofc) so I have about 3-5 hours every day if I dont do anything special (like overtime @ work)

11/09/2007 15:46:00

pfollzor + hoho + demolite + maniac + solid + rinkon would be very good team :)

11/09/2007 16:02:00

Please XJ admins... Think of who you choose now (demo, pf0ll) must be in the mapping team.

11/09/2007 17:17:00

:)

11/09/2007 17:18:00

- Why do you want to be in the team? my big dream was to be in the mapcheck team, and i also a med-experienced mapper imo. ;) i'd like to help other admins to choose the accepted maps. - Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified? , i very love mapping and i made a lot of types. my english skills arent bad, ( not perfect but more than enough for a mapping team imo ) my climbing skill arent bad too, and i love climbing too ( im not a lj noob, i dont like lj much ) im almost everytime on irc, ( on #xtreme-jumps and #mappers too ) and i like to help other ppl, if i can ;) - How much time are you willing to spend on this job? i sit on the pc almost everytime after sql, almost the whole afternoon (from like 3-8 ) im off for 1-2 hours meanwhile, but i can go online if i have to. greetz - colix finally some good news ;)

11/09/2007 17:19:00

word, u should chose more ppl who are mappers themselves..

11/09/2007 17:20:00

choose* -_-

11/09/2007 17:49:00

- Why do you want to be in the team? Because I want to! :E - Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified? I have enough skill to betatest every map, pretty good at finding shortcut/bugs. - How much time are you willing to spend on this job? 2-3 hours per day.

g3arZ
11/09/2007 18:21:00

- Why do you want to be in the team? Cuz i want to improve my skills and help the Xj community ;] - Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified? -cuz i have some skills (not all ofc) finding scs trickjumps and even wallbugs and other stuff like that etc.. - How much time are you willing to spend on this job? -word to lolly 2-3 hours per day ;]

reinis6
11/09/2007 18:23:00

Nice change!!

11/09/2007 19:33:00

- Why do you want to be in the team? Im tired of the old inactive/unqualified team and I am willing to help kz-community by making things better. - Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified? I am social and fluent in English. I consider myself mature. I am skilled enough to beat maps and also good at finding scs. - How much time are you willing to spend on this job? Depends but i'd say about 2h on average in weekdays, little more in weekends.

11/09/2007 20:07:00

[b]Why do you want to be in the team?[/b] I want to help XJ release good quality maps that doesn't have really big shortcuts that destroys the map. I don't mean I want to remove all shortcuts, there's many good ones, but there's some that really shouldn't be released that destroys the fun in the map and waste the mappers work on the map. [b]Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified?[/b] + I'm a very experienced jumper. + I've been "active" (read obsessed) in this community for almost 2 years. + My english is good enough to say whatever I want to say. - I have no mapping/hammer experience. - My computer is too good to test maps for compability against older computers. [b]How much time are you willing to spend on this job?[/b] At least 1h/day. I can put more work into it if it's really necessary. I'm studying atm and have pretty much "free time".

11/09/2007 21:03:00

we needed u BEFORE medieval release ichirou

11/09/2007 21:08:00

faker you need to just stay out of everything. stop trying to take on jobs. no one likes the fact you keep trying to "RUN" things. just stay the fuck away from EVERYTHING. they dont need your help. JEEBUS

11/09/2007 21:30:00

1. People asked me to do this and to take it back to XJ, because it sucked/stand still at Kreedz.com 2. Im not in charge of anything, all decisions are made and were made democratically within the team. Im just coordinating and writing newspost. 3. dropsys the great Kreedz.com admin, who was motivated enough to check [b]1 [/b]of 35 submitted maps in a period of 3 months? So tell me.. who cares about ya opinion?

11/09/2007 21:34:00

dopsys i think u are the only one who don't like it... btw i'm still waiting that u destroy me...

11/09/2007 21:35:00

Addition to 2.: It wasn't even my idea... just take a look at the Kreedz.com intern forum

11/09/2007 21:40:00

[i]- Why do you want to be in the team?[/i] Because I'm often finding myself on the computer with nothing else to do. And I'd add to the "sexyness level". [i]- Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified?[/i] Because I would add to the "coolness level". Also, I'm very friendly get along with most ppl. :] Yes I'm qualified, k thnx. [i]- How much time are you willing to spend on this job? [/i] I don't have a job, so if need be I could spend several hours a day testing. :[

11/09/2007 22:11:00

dropsys shut youre big mouth you aint got shit to say.

12/09/2007 02:42:00

Zocker, dropsys threatened to take most of my demos too and I'm still waiting..

12/09/2007 05:22:00

aL go away seriously. just because you are "bored" at the computer wont help you qualify, it's for people who actually want to HELP out in the kz community, rather than having something to do when they are bored. k?

12/09/2007 09:38:00

dropsys ... ? btw it was my idea to move the team back, nothing happened in kreedz voting..........................................

12/09/2007 09:51:00

dropsys. I think xj is screwed without faker

12/09/2007 12:19:00

lol good idea :D

12/09/2007 12:54:00

ichirou!:)

12/09/2007 13:42:00

nice

12/09/2007 14:52:00

stinnZ i think X-J was good when only stukad was head admin, i mean, not better, but still as good as now.

12/09/2007 16:07:00

Stop flaming dropsys <3!

12/09/2007 20:14:00

Flibo :P

12/09/2007 20:40:00

when will be the new team's members announced? im very excited ^^

12/09/2007 21:15:00

Pls guys check the FPS into the maps... because i had really big problems playing some maps only because of the fps. I mean there were really great maps in the last time just about the style, but the fps destroyed that all and that is too bad because actually they are beautiful

12/09/2007 22:36:00

If I'll get the chance to come into the team I could check the FPS cuz my PC isn't that good! :D

13/09/2007 00:38:00

u dont need a crappy pc to check for fps. it can be done by looking at the r_speeds..

13/09/2007 04:08:00

right eiRa ;) but noone didn't really know the standard speeds for cs/hl

13/09/2007 10:07:00

do u know ?

13/09/2007 14:09:00

If u look at the start of risk_compound straight ahead u have 1500 wpolys and 3000 epolys ... thats definitely to much! (for me) primarily because its a bhop map! I would say if the map has at the jumping areas more than 800-1000 wpolys it's depending on the hardware if you can play the map! My hardware is 3 years old and like ~1200 wpolys should be playable for me. Btw: 1000 / ms value of the r_speeds = FPS :D

13/09/2007 14:27:00

colix: Friday evening

13/09/2007 14:29:00

most official de/cs maps have around 200-1000 wpolys at any given place... i gues its ok for a big/complex kz map to have around 1500wpolys with 2k polys being an absolute limit. I still dont understand how some maps(like kz_starwars_deeja) got accepted, where u get places with over 6k wpolys(+models) and averaging 3-4k wpolys on the rest of the map..

13/09/2007 15:03:00

the w- and e-polys say something about the fps, but not whether a map is playable. for example waterparts causes lags (kz_cg_holodeck). there are the fps ok, but its uberlaggy

13/09/2007 15:41:00

I think it should be the goal for the mappers that they keep on < 1000 wpolys. because the standart cs maps are like this and that has a reason ! i really hate to jump the first part onto compound because i have like 60-80 fps and my mouse doesnt react then. for me this is the main problem about the last released maps and i think im not the only one

13/09/2007 15:50:00

@fragmccracken: [link=http://xtreme-jumps.eu/forum_viewtopic.php?80.58773]Resource saving Water[/link] :D

13/09/2007 17:47:00

@maniac i dont use the normal watertexture cuz i change the name like !water to water. so the engine doesnt calculate the water at every point.

13/09/2007 18:37:00

faker:thx

14/09/2007 03:22:00

eiRa for the mapcheking team ! :P chrizZo : Ure not the only one , this is the main problem to many people ( like me ) . And i dont think it is a hardware problem ( old / not-that-good video cards and stuff like ) , there's a reason why the official maps have 200-1000 wpolys . Oh , i would love to test maps , but i suck at mapping ._.

14/09/2007 03:42:00

hybrid thats right the official cs_ de_ maps has a limited wpoly count. max 600-800 wpolys for a detailed place. That has many reasons why they has it. First of all: The Servers couldn't handle maps with highwpolys.(Reason: A map with highwpolys was lagging to much with many players!) Player pcs was lagging as hell during action in the mainplaces. So from the mappers side was choosen a limited wpoly count around 600 to 800. But now in the quadcore and core2duo time many mappers forgot it. Which is bad for such a old game.

14/09/2007 15:00:00

- Why do you want to be in the team? Because i just love to see new maps, play them, find bugs, sc's etc. And ofc i love to map. - Why do you think we should pick you? Are you qualified? I think that Im quite good actually. But as you may think about my other two maps that didn't get accepted, my new map hopefully will blow your eyes out a bit :) And I also love to help other people who just started mapping etc. - How much time are you willing to spend on this job? Im willing to spend like 3-4 hours a day, if possible. Sometimes it could interfere with schoolwork or something like that, and if, it could be just 2 hours. On weekends when im not partying i could spend like 10 hours, if Im at my dad's. Else the time would just be 4-5 hours. I don't expect to be one in the team, but I hope that I'll be someday. Ha det så gött allihop! :)

14/09/2007 17:41:00

dEMolite : quadcore and core2duo time ? maybe for u europeans / north american , here in south american is still pentium4 time , or u can save a year of paychecks to buy a core2duo , QUADCORE ? maybe in 2012 . brazil ftw .

14/09/2007 19:43:00

I've got a pentium 4 too and i'm german and i think i can play very well