Demo Rules Updated + oTcHeTo

By Juhmp·
There has been a lot of discussion about oTcHeTo and his 257 demo these past few days. To clear everything up, oTcHeTo did use an illegal cvar when recording the demo. His demo included an illegal setting for cl_sidespeed which gave him an unfair advantage compared to other players. This tweak gave him a + ~1 unit prestrafe increase. He has not been banned, but has received a warning for the illegal demo.

Unfortunately, we are told that a select few others might have used commands to gain an unfair advantage, so starting tomorrow, the demo admins will be hard at work checking all LJ demos for possible cheaters.

In conclusion, eDark has created a new program that will detect any CVAR that has been changed either by the server itself, or through AMXX. This surely is a wonderful thing as it moves us 1 step further in detecting 100% of all cheats. Many thanks to eDark! Here is a statement he made about the effect of sidespeed.

"Sidespeed doesn't affect the normal (running) speed, it affects the division of the running speed. For example, cl_sidespeed 400 is 50% sideways and 50% forward of the total speed. To keep this ratio, sidespeed and forward speed must be the same value. It's easier to prestrafe with the cvar because your prestrafe doesn't have to be perfect to achieve a high number."

Since the rule about jump enhancing cvar's has just been added, all users caught will receive a warning. Click HERE to see the updated rule. In the future, any users caught using any command that gives an unfair advantage, you will be banned at the admins discretion.

<3 eDark & PEAK for telling us about sidespeed. :D

UPDATE : Updated eDarks quote, and oTcHeTo's jump length with regular settings would have been 254.791.

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25/02/2008 18:16:00

<3 eDark

25/02/2008 18:17:00

I knew it since I saw his first demo. :)

25/02/2008 18:18:00

gj

25/02/2008 18:18:00

so he is not banned right?

25/02/2008 18:19:00

again eDarK the brain of XJ eDarK > all!

25/02/2008 18:19:00

yea raver, he is just warned

25/02/2008 18:20:00

nice eDark and Co. ;)

25/02/2008 18:20:00

need abit more info :D like did he cheat in the 254x2? (im pretty sure he didnt but asking anyway just in case)

25/02/2008 18:21:00

gj !

25/02/2008 18:22:00

GJ for updating rules and not banning him ... imo he can pwn 256 w/ cl_sidespeed 400 NumB should add this cvars @ LJ stats

25/02/2008 18:23:00

gj eDark & PEAK !! :)

25/02/2008 18:23:00

He can't do shit. <3 eDark!

25/02/2008 18:24:00

Great job as always..

25/02/2008 18:25:00

why not judah? gj edark..

25/02/2008 18:25:00

I am looking forward to the other ppl who did the same, we`ll get ya :E!

25/02/2008 18:26:00

There was obviously no rule when otcheto jumped 257, so no ban should be made. we now know that 256 is possible fo sure though. go ahead geekers

25/02/2008 18:26:00

nice work :)

25/02/2008 18:27:00

sounds fair, and gj :D

25/02/2008 18:29:00

nice one, fair for me, search every demo ^^

25/02/2008 18:29:00

peak :D

25/02/2008 18:30:00

dont get how ppl find out that a simple cmd make you jump further :) but nice work you guys, lookin' forward to see if any other done the same

25/02/2008 18:31:00

eDark <3

25/02/2008 18:34:00

gj eDark

25/02/2008 18:37:00

Gamster you where rigth ^^ S2

25/02/2008 18:38:00

gj eDark and others! I knew it wasn't fo real.

25/02/2008 18:43:00

gj eDark all Xj 3> you ^^

25/02/2008 18:44:00

Was the illegal cvar only thing he used? I mean 257 with +1 prestrafe is still pretty amazing. Could he have jumped 256 without the prestrafe benefit?

25/02/2008 18:44:00

Did he cheated in his 242hj, 254x2, 255 demos ?

25/02/2008 18:44:00

gj peak

25/02/2008 18:45:00

Yes this is fair: admin: otcheto, Im sorry, I cant list your 257lj, cuz I forgot to make a rule for cl_sidespeed and you used it in your demo. otcheto: ok. Ill try it again with default cl_sidespeed :D

25/02/2008 18:46:00

Ah or do you mean +1 unit to the distance, not +1 to prestrafe speed.

25/02/2008 18:53:00

eDark is teh man

25/02/2008 18:58:00

eDark your doing nice work! :)

25/02/2008 19:11:00

nice eDark and other, knew it :)

25/02/2008 19:12:00

gj oTcHeTo :D

25/02/2008 19:27:00

his jump with regular settings would be approx 254.xxx forgot the exact units

25/02/2008 19:29:00

oh yes! that just proves my opinion about otcheto, even more! in your face and btw.. LOL @ U OTCHETO! ima quote u; "my cfg, hmm its just default except binds mwheelup and mwheeldown" im sure u got something in ur cfg and u changed a cvar lol.. get a life man & face it; u can't trick XJ..

25/02/2008 19:29:00

great job xj admins

25/02/2008 19:30:00

eDark > all and peak<3<3 youre the man ;]

25/02/2008 19:43:00

gj eDark! and nt at the guys who have used this command in LJ's. Lets see how many get busted :)

25/02/2008 19:45:00

i just think this is kinda funny.. eDark just keep detecting thease amazing / hardly hidden hacks, but... ehh.. there is still few (as far as i know) very, and i mean VERY simple hacks/scripts that even eDark cant detect or at least havent detect so far; that gives some advantage. gl

25/02/2008 19:48:00

hm, ok he doesn´t cheat i think. He use settings they are not forbidden since today. rofl

25/02/2008 19:54:00

GJ eDark and peak :D

25/02/2008 20:07:00

Trickster: What about if you come and give some more details to make this community a better and saver place?

25/02/2008 20:17:00

ye, word to faker, if it is so, it should be your work to do so Trickster ! :P

25/02/2008 20:35:00

his name IS trickster by the way ;) so otcheto wouldnt have even jumped 255 :(

25/02/2008 20:39:00

and oTcHeTo's 243 hj is clear ?

25/02/2008 20:41:00

NO OTHER DEMOS HAVE BEEN CHECKED READ FFS

25/02/2008 20:41:00

and i cant understand why he is warned .... this wasn't rule ..

25/02/2008 20:54:00

cause he knew that the cvar will give him an adavantage. ffs its the same as if u use slowmo and there would be no rule about it

Zombak0s
25/02/2008 21:08:00

lol trickster edark detects so hard to find cheats what you mean u know do u have a fps death admin or ur smarter than edark?! dont think so .. :/ otcheto didnt use hack see .. :)

25/02/2008 21:18:00

he knew that the cvar will give him an advantage and that is in my opinion cheating every jumper must know that settings which make jumps easier are not allowed so in my opinion he and all other which use this setting are cheater

25/02/2008 21:19:00

Good job, gotto catch them all! Btw how can a quote be updatable?=P

25/02/2008 21:21:00

GJ Man

25/02/2008 21:55:00

"To keep this ratio, sidespeed and forward speed must be the same value." hope my 252 wont be deleted cause i used cl_forwardspeed cl_backspeed and cl_sidespeed 9999 :S any gj

25/02/2008 22:08:00

SchlumPF* haha that would be lame :D

25/02/2008 22:25:00

Ban pls.

25/02/2008 22:41:00

Zombak0s: No, i dont mean im smarter then eDark, not even close. and actually, i dont even know much about scripting and so. and another; No i dont have any FPS death program, but if you re read my comment, i said i know few simple things that are not allowed, and im pretty sure those little things are impossible to detect, ofc im not sure about it, but there is just something that the "all seeing eye" havent see.

25/02/2008 22:45:00

Bad luck, otcheto :*

25/02/2008 22:50:00

eDark rulz computers.

25/02/2008 23:05:00

so why everybody was talking about use 320 @ sidespeed backspeed forwardspeed "for better prestrafe" the last year and nobody said a shit? (forum > jump talk) cmon, good for edark, but otcheto WAS CLEAN :) [quote]and i cant understand why he is warned .... this wasn't rule ..[/quote] so true :).. dont call otcheto A CHEATER :) ... and btw [quote]UPDATE : Updated eDarks quote, and oTcHeTo's jump length with regular settings would have been 254.791. [/quote] HE GOT SKILLZ ... u freaking idiots ((((:

25/02/2008 23:11:00

what's next ? "only sensitivity 3 is allowed for longjump" ! ........... cmon....... :D stop with this stupid rules :) maybe 50% or more is using 320 or 300 or less i dont know :) .. really, i want to know if EVERYBODY here have 400 :) i think i have 320 btw :) and what about old LJ records? @ t3d ? niconen ? bibo? others? cmon :) check oooold lj records too plz :) if they have 320 or 300 so... all the damn history is gonna change ? =D! .. anyway, now we have to wait i think :) sorry if my english looks like =DD ---5yearsoldorsomething--- u_u

25/02/2008 23:35:00

it looks like 5 years old cuz of all the smiles.

26/02/2008 00:01:00

These type of things are common sense. Does common sense need to be a rule now too? Come on retards, think about it.

Zombak0s
26/02/2008 00:01:00

Trickster you are mysterious stop that you are scaring me :DD hehe

26/02/2008 00:35:00

kinda sad that so many people are cheating nowadays, who knows how many are ACTUALLY cheating beyond those that get caught. yeah people are gonna say "oh he didnt cheat it was completely innocent", but thats bs. if you knowingly change some random command to increase your prestrafe thats cheating.

26/02/2008 00:38:00

/Agree 100% with aligind4h0us3 & Sw1ft1

26/02/2008 00:59:00

that is a shame he didnt get banned.. if there was a normal player , i'm sure he'd get banned.. got rly dissapointed.

26/02/2008 02:01:00

[blockquote]and i cant understand why he is warned .... this wasn't rule ..[/blockquote] i cant understand why he not banned :P

26/02/2008 02:44:00

Ok so I had this big paragraph about cheating, and such but I read some of the other comments and It's all pretty much there. He cheated knowingly, but since there isn't a rule about it and people have done it before, a warning is [i]ok[/i], even though I would love to see every cheating faggot get the BANHAMMER applied to the sternum, if you get my drift.

26/02/2008 02:59:00

No one can beat Bibo, our master. haha

26/02/2008 03:24:00

He should absolutely be banned. Regardless of whether or not it was in the rules, he was using a command that gave him an advantage to the default jumper. And he tried to get away with it. Just because hes not using a 3rd party program to give him an advantage doesn't mean it can't be considered a cheat. Not even going to address the idiocy of castorr's post.

26/02/2008 05:12:00

(L), anyway, what about old records? they are all """clean"""??

26/02/2008 07:03:00

-Cast0rrrrr-, checking all demos takes time. omg read the newspost "so starting tomorrow, the demo admins will be hard at work checking all LJ demos for possible cheaters."

26/02/2008 07:33:00

i think he should be banned for some time, he cheated and tried to lie to XJ and get a world record! i can't believe it

26/02/2008 10:15:00

like i have been asking somewhere in xj.. Does cl_sidespeed effect on any ways? but no-one answered that, so i kept my mouth shut'd. topic->muahahahahahaa so otcheto got eDark'd, BUT do you guys remember that NiconeN did 257 stats in his 254 in kzfr_longjumps .. he's teh P4wn3R (with normal settings)

26/02/2008 10:58:00

much love for eDark, must be hacking HL-engine like neo with matrix :) and oTcHeTo, WTF is going on with you??? think you can cheat XJ, ROFL , NOOB ...

26/02/2008 12:02:00

eDark the greatest! <3 I think the warning is enough for him. Looking forward to see how many demos gonna be removed.

26/02/2008 13:39:00

Bibo is the man again. :) eDark, how can I put this.... You are a buddy to the whole community.

26/02/2008 13:45:00

joel-> thopa said that NiconeNs 254 was not 257 stats but 254.8xx something.

26/02/2008 15:58:00

gj [b]eDark[/b]

26/02/2008 17:26:00

Tafatt, yep. That 257 was just a joke lol.

26/02/2008 20:30:00

gj :) i didint believe thats is possible

26/02/2008 22:03:00

he should be banned! it's not fair for other people who cheated (kulspruta, omg0...)

27/02/2008 02:40:00

Pf0llz0r i mean "OLD" records :) .. (1st 250, 1st 251 and others)

27/02/2008 06:55:00

its not about the values, its about being the SAME, and glad he got caught.

27/02/2008 21:17:00

word a7om!c , lol ban oTcHeAtoR :D

28/02/2008 18:38:00

Damn, now I'm warned :(

02/03/2008 07:23:00

gj eDark.

22/04/2010 14:08:00

GJ oTcHeTp

22/04/2010 14:09:00

GJ oTcHeTo