Opinion survey about our Donation/VIP system

By faker mapper·
Hey there,

it's been a while since the Donation/VIP system was introduced. Actually some of you people were generous enough to help us out and made some donations, but the general interest seems to be pretty small.

Altogether it didn't really meet our expectations. Without the special donations by TinTin, Count, Fire and radon we probably wouldn't have done that well. Thanks again for your generous help guys, especially TinTin :)

However, we are curious ot find out what you guys think about the system? Did you enjoy your VIP time or did you get bored? If you didn't donate yet... why is that? Do you think the packets are too expensive or the VIP periods too short?

Please tell us all your thoughts about our VIP system and help us improving it.

Thanks in advance

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LOLLY mapper
18/05/2008 13:35:00

I haven't donated yet because i don't trust the internetz with ma money, it's not much but i dont like to put ma information on the interwebs :D I think theres nice privileges and such..

raver mapper
18/05/2008 13:35:00

gj!

rn
18/05/2008 13:41:00

paypal is very safe, u can trust it :|

radon mapper Tournament #3
18/05/2008 13:43:00

well they are not expensive at all. bronze cost less than a pack of cigarettes..

Dujes
18/05/2008 13:47:00

and it costs nothing if u win it by cups ;)

zhady Tournament #2
18/05/2008 13:50:00

The only thing I used when i donated was the 'Submit demos' feature since it only needed one click, didnt really care about any of the other features.

Kraeft
18/05/2008 13:52:00

The benefits are kinda worthless imo, so I don't think that those who donate do it for that reason, I think the main reason why they donate is because they like the site and want it improved. And frankly, I don't care about the site, hence I don't donate. Watching demos suits me alright, and the site wont cease to exist.

Chris Tucker
18/05/2008 13:59:00

The fact is that i would like to donate but since paypal is the only way we can do it, it's probably a reason why there are only a few people that did it.

H.o.r.s.t.
18/05/2008 14:01:00

There are quite little advantages. Nothing has changed since the donation thing. The managerial level still doensn't involve anyone. You don't get any informations of what will happen or what is going on so far. The Area 51 section in the forum is actually pretty useless with 4 topics (2 obsolete) so far. The only functions I use is the demo upload thing and the vip status on the server. But the vip on the server is also incomplete in fact that the voting function has never worked and when the server fucks up again, erarock runs and you can do nothing against it.

zNife
18/05/2008 14:16:00

gj.

SnOOOpY
18/05/2008 14:18:00

faker , stop think only for donate . I'm sure XJ have many unique visits and i'm sure you can find sponsor easy .. This is my opinion .. peace

ラヴイナ
18/05/2008 14:25:00

faker , i think u get so small amount of donations because its onlt available via paypal , i mean if you could pay trough SMS more people would buy it specially the younger ones wich got parents that wont allow to buy torugh the internet etc. hf

cC|Nikolaa
18/05/2008 14:27:00

Bank transfering should be added imo

prof. chosen
18/05/2008 14:46:00

i dont care.

akM
18/05/2008 14:48:00

I don't have paypal so..

rn
18/05/2008 14:48:00

try to find sponsors @ some irc channels... there can be found some for sure :)

oP^
18/05/2008 14:58:00

gj

kzno`Psycho
18/05/2008 14:59:00

I agree with eusunt and L0LLY, + I personally think there should be a way to pay for bronze/silver/gold for 1 year

cC|Nikolaa
18/05/2008 15:11:00

I also agree with that: bronze/silver/gold for 1 year and you get -% like gold is 7.50 per month, if 12x7.50 = 90 but you pay 75 (like you pay only 10 months). You might get more guys paying if you do it like that imo

Zeov
18/05/2008 15:38:00

i'd rather spend my money on a piece of chewing gum, than a free hook.

Fire
18/05/2008 15:39:00

#1 You need to bring more VIP exclusive events to the table. Viewing demos is great but meh. #2 You should give 3 months of vip mabye for like 7$ instead because 1 month is kind of like... you catch my drift im sure. #3 I forgot I didn't have vip anymore and will be donating again tonight :)

`ScraP Tournament #2
18/05/2008 15:48:00

"Bank transfering should be added imo" agree!

Sioux
18/05/2008 15:53:00

Its just not needed.

SchlumPF
18/05/2008 15:53:00

sry but got no interesting in a colored star behind my nick or vip in irc + server etc so i dont donate :S

TinTin
18/05/2008 15:55:00

with abroad bank transfering comes high fees. :/ i guess sms would work tho.

dEMolite mapper
18/05/2008 16:02:00

The vipsystem has some less amount for the money. I can agree to Fire with 7$ for 3month vip it reminds me like rapidshare. Then the demos viewing should be disabled for vips because it is quite boring to look ah my demo is beaten by ..... now i need to rebeat. 5mins later done reupload.... Also features should be added for the vip users: Demo section: - RSS feeder? - Signature Generator? - Detailed Mapstats with nationals records maybe like kzna community comparings? - Better LJ Records site quite unsorte atm? Global: - Picking random gold vip members for a exclusive maptest ticket? - Making special offers like % if you buy 3month pay 2month and get 1free - Exclusive VIP Events on the servers? maybe to eastern egg searching and so on ^^ - Exclusive VIP Web Events - Exclusive VIP IRC Events (quiz, special cups and maybe much more?) - Giving VIPs a higher priority when xj is searching new admins (because faker & OddYsseus will see how some persons are standing to the community) Mappers: - Mappers should get more attention as only a kztag maybe a vip status bronze? silber? gold? Because some are working days, weeks, months and years on a project to get only a kztag (and they are spending sometimes more work in a project as some admins in the community)

P.V.A.B.-jello
18/05/2008 16:13:00

Add a lifetime VIP option like on KZM and I'll reconsider. Knowing that I'd have to continually pay to keep things up only discourages me, probably others too.

prof. chosen
18/05/2008 16:14:00

Zeov, word.

loopah
18/05/2008 16:15:00

I'd like to donate, but i cant get my paypal account to work... So if you'd come u p with another way, that would be sweet. For ex. SMS, phone payment. Thanks. Waiting for an update =)

Dalai mapper
18/05/2008 16:25:00

And finally add a ranking system! Each user will have the following components in his profile: "Cups played" "Cups won/lost/draw" "Demos released" "Record holder on..." (...how many maps?) "Maps mapped" (total count) "KZ-tagged maps:" "Custom-tagged maps:" Further there must be a more complex voting system on maps. Look / Gameplay / Difficulty / Lighting / Sound / Textures / Architecture... And of course I agree to almost all dEMolite said..

Dalai mapper
18/05/2008 16:31:00

*ranking system: -Like winning medals and stuff like on Fpsbanana. -Climbing up several ranks depending on cups played or maps mapped to become a top-member -So you can earn respect by new members (So not only admins are put higher than newcomers) Ah and maybe: New symbols for Donators. People who have spent money should become the same star like people who have won cups. It's just not the same. Both ways are on their kind very important but yet differ so much from each other.

faker mapper
18/05/2008 16:48:00

First of all thanks to all of you for your feedback. Few things need to be said: About paypal... Paypal is a very safe way to pay things over the net. Usually it is very easy to handle, if you take a few minutes of your lifetime you'll figure out what to do. We might add tutorials tho, if they are needed. - Bank transfers... International bank tranfers do have large amounts of fees. If you'll donate 5€ the fees will be 5€, too. So you have to pay 10€. I guess that's not what you guys want... That's why bank transfers are not possible. - SMS services... Those services are a nice idea, but most of them (actually ALL of them [at leas the ones I know]) work on a national basis, and won't work for everyone around. If you could tell me a good service that works for everyone around the world it will be considered for sure. About more features: As you might now we don't have an active php/sql coder at the moment. (this might be changed in the future for sure). There are a lot of cool ideas about Changes to be made (like Dalai or H.O.R.S.T posted), but there is nobody who could make them come true :/ Therefore all the privileges we can offer right now are those who are already coded. I'm going to put more exclusive content up after the VIP system got optimized, tho. Some ideas are: VIP-exklusive Maptest sessions. The maps will benefit, too. More betatesters means more bugs to be found and fixed before the maps get released. Getting the VIP forum more vital. Well, so there is the next point: Changes I thought about: - Removing bronze and silver, making VIP Gold the only VIP level to get... and making Gold cheaper ofc (dunno how cheap exactly). This has the advantage that every VIP user has the same level. It's better to add content for everyone, than adding content for 3 different groups of people. - Every Donator sending more than than 20€ will be allowed to keep the star forever (not the privileges tho). - Adding an option to donate a custom amount of money... for several months or even a year. If you do so, you'll get some months for free (75%).

eMTi
18/05/2008 16:52:00

1. agree with dalai! atm i simply do not see any real point in donating. add more features to the website to make it more attractive than it is at the moment. 2. rn is right too! why the heck cant you find a sponsor?? Should be possible!! Just add some statistics to the site like visits etc to have something to show possible sponsors. 3. pro-challenge is nice for the pro's, but where does that hit the rest of the community? I mean none of the "normal" jumpers will ever finish this map. Start bigger tournaments with group stages. ez map in group stages and raising difficulty level in the following rounds (1/4 final, semi-final etc). ...Just an example.. 4. so much bad critics said now.. just something positiv: you guys seem to be working hard on this, and i think that should be apprechiated (spelled this way? oO)! this is a big community, tbh i cant understand how money can be a problem... just find a sponsor!! its time!

faker mapper
18/05/2008 16:58:00

About the big sponsoring: Don't forget, we have generous Sponsor. He is a private person and doesn't want that much attention: MiniAngel ;) Without him XJ would have been pretty dead right now I guess. So cheers to him. Well, back to topic: Actually the big companies don't take kz too serious. It's all about ESL/EPS and normal Counter-Strike, at least in germany, and nobody cares about other games or Climbmaps for CS. We wrote mails to the biggest German Server Company's but nobody was really interested. Some of them were honest enough to say they got pushed away by the high amoung of immature "kids" in the communtiy. It's been a while tho, so we might try it again in the future.

SnOOOpY
18/05/2008 17:11:00

Offtopic : Make World Cup with prize no Pro Challenge :) Ontopic : Faker , the big companies don't care for what is the site .. if the site have many members and 5000-10000 unique visits per day . Sorry for my bad English .

eMTi
18/05/2008 17:35:00

well, at least you took some steps towards a solution for the "kiddie problem" by changing the warning system and so on. snoopy: world cup would be nice.. 1on1 matched with hltv and so on.. would be awsome :)

kuttaja
18/05/2008 18:02:00

Agree with demo Why don't you try asking sponsor from other countries aswell?

ihmiskilpi
18/05/2008 18:09:00

I dont like donating coz I am a selfish bastard I guess ;)

Stakiman
18/05/2008 18:15:00

The only thing you are ought to improve is your english.

cheche
18/05/2008 18:16:00

If It was possible to pay for whole year, or even like 6 months - then I would donate.

Tonic
18/05/2008 18:36:00

I haven't donated because I don't use xj much anymore. I would recommend you to start advertising because this is a huge community. Also getting sponsors would be good idea.

omilo
18/05/2008 19:19:00

I don't have any real suggestions but i can just say that it was easy to donate money with paypal and the benifits with access to demo archive and beeing able to see uploaded demos are usefull to me :)

_LcR
18/05/2008 20:22:00

" - Every Donator sending more than than 20€ will be allowed to keep the star forever (not the privileges tho). " why would i want a star? ._.

fischauge
18/05/2008 20:42:00

cuz it looks better than a warning sign

Mr.Jumper
18/05/2008 20:46:00

This community consists of 65% of 15years old members... they are not able to donate anything, because they are unexperienced and does not want to deal with money in the internet, or are not allowed, or can not handle paypal etc... so its not a big secret, why nobody is spending any donations on this site... This wannabe VIP thingy is comparable to a german tv program called 9live... to the german admins/users: just check out on youtube "9live gold" and you will see the same issue like it is here on XJ... the money isnt worth it... and you should never forget, that this is an hobby... so many doesnt really care about this site... many are just visting this site to download the new maps and to watch some demos... so why the bloody hell we should buy VIP... tbh its just retarted... only for uber passionated kz players the VIP service would be an interesting offer... for all the rest I just can aggree demolite and emti in every point

_LcR
18/05/2008 20:48:00

99% of the vips are kz-addicted/rich

Remote
18/05/2008 21:18:00

"so why the bloody hell we should buy VIP... tbh its just retarted..." XJ can't stand without donations, they have 150-200€ to pay every month ;) _____________________________________________________ "If you didn't donate yet... why is that? Do you think the packets are too expensive or the VIP periods too short?" I'd donate if I could, f0 sh0....I've already used PayPal for buying stuffs online (before my mother's credit card got blocked :S) so I wouldn't be afraid for cash and informations going online... Packets are not expensive, but period is short.....It would be ok if VIP status lasts for 2 months or so...

boom.dll
18/05/2008 21:43:00

if that sms thingy would get implemented i would donate for sure! to all others that "just download maps & demos" why the fuck do u even bother on posting ur oppinion... if ur not trying to help, dunno why we should care about what u say... remember that people work for this site so u can "just download maps & demos", and other record so u can "just download maps & demos" ...

Mr.Jumper
18/05/2008 22:42:00

Another fact is, that we dont know, where our donated money will be used for... We just know, that you need money to keep up this site... brendo333 wrote roughly 200€ each month... ok, now I am asking how this site has been stayed online the last 3years and why you suddenly need money...? You have written in a weekly/info, that you need money for further projects, too... but I still have not seen any new projects... everything is sponsored by TinTin (prochallenge2) and faker wrote that MiniAngle is keeping up this site alive with some benefits... so actually you dont need money... isnt it? But you told ous, that we have to spend money very fast..., else this site will be shutting down... very strange, isnt it? Ok here are some calculations of your profit with the donations: This community has 51423 official members... if everybody would spend 7,50€ each month, that would be 385.672,5€ and each year 4.628.070€... but we dont have over 50.000 active members... lets say we have 2000 active members... that would be 15.000€ each month and 180.000€ every year... But not everybody is donation... lets say, that only the half of the members are going to donate money for VIP GOLD... that would be 7.500€ each month and 90.000€ every year!!! WOW THATS AMAZING, isnt it?! a very seductive amount of money... you cant tell me, that you need 90.000€ to keep that site alive!! This is just easy money for YOU and you dont spend anything on projects or even for this site, because MiniAngel is sponsoring it, isnt it?! Cmon dont fuck with the community and tell them to spend money or else this site will be shutten down!!! 90.000€ every year for the admins... thats nice and very easy money!!!! Not even working people does earn such an high amount of money in a year!! And you need it for further projects and for this website? HAHAHAHA dont fuck with me! Lets say its just 5.000€, which is a very very realistic amount of money, that you earn with this stupid VIP GOLD... its too much and its all for YOUR OWN POCKET! and the community doesnt know for what you apply this money! You do not need any money!! Just go in IRC and search some sponsors! I am sure, that you will find some... maybe you are just too lazy... BUT who would not confirm 90.000€ every year for NOTHING... You admins doesnt even know yourself very very good... you dont have a very strong relationship, that you can handle with money!! I bet one of you is the organisator and takes all the money and you dont apportion it or even investigate anything in this site without any scruples!! You cant create a website like the ESL... this is a FUN community and a small one in comparison to ESL... This site stagnates, because its on the highes level to reach and you cant go one step further, so you DONT need more money or anything and not more than 200€ every month and now you are asking the community for more money?!?! WTF... Cmon and stay realistic and give ous information why the hell you need MORE money and for what do you use it?! I bet at the moment you could earn 5.000€ - 90.000€ every year, if you are succesful by controling and faking the community!!! I hope you can handle this criticism and comment it in an adult way maybe I am wrong, but in my view its very realistic! just think about it

PepoMerca
18/05/2008 22:57:00

i want donate but i cant donate :(

sjR
18/05/2008 23:04:00

lol mj, i feel the wrath of faker comming on ! :p

Mr.Jumper
18/05/2008 23:06:00

time will tell ;) but I think, that they earn more money with their "exclusive VIP privileges" offer, than they spend on this page...

eMTi
18/05/2008 23:18:00

well, jumper.. at least i think you are particially right. i dont think that there are more than 20 ppl donating 7,50 or more. nevertheless it would be very interesting to know exactly how much money xj is spending for webspace, servers and events like prochallenge per month. when you click on "donate" in the menu, the first sentence sais "All the donated money will be used to cover our expenses and the extra money will be used for further XJ projects that will bring a lot of fun for the community and/or more features for the VIP users." ..well jumper is absolutly right when he asks for those mysterious projects. where are they? collecting money for the prochallenge needs rounded up 8,5$/month (1x vip gold + 1x vip bronze --> no problem). but what about the rest. i understand that you might not want to publish detailed information on your financial situation. but you could send some rough info per mail ON REQUEST to ppl that are still undecided. now that would be honest and fair! there are not only kids in this community, there are also some "older" guys who know how the game is played and that may even donate more than 7,5.... dont try to fool these by not saying where the money goes. ps: i dont want to attack you faker or any of the others who are in response.

J!nX^
19/05/2008 01:30:00

Tips: - Make the donations go easier, paypal is cool but a lot of people don't know how to use it and they certainly don't want to take the time to learn how to use it, people are lazy and they want their stuff fast. I know some (good) services which make international micropayments through SMS, phone calls and other alternative pay methods a piece of cake, for almost every (big) country. Btw for bank transfer you don't have to pay a fee if you do it correct with a IBAN and BIC code, just ask your bank and if the person who transfers the money uses these codes then you don't have to pay an extra fee. I do it all the time... (international banktransfers) - To be honest, I would never pay for the options you get now. I think if you make the LJ records section vips only you would get a lot of donations. Just delete all current lj demos, and you only check demos for cheats of people who are vip and paid more than than 20€ (faker's idea), and then you put them in the lj records section without a minimum limit, so it can even be a 220 lj. (just only for people who paid already more than €20) I think its very cool coz when people ask my lj record i just say check xj, then they know its clean and stuff... only 1 exception, thats the world record, he can be a normal user, it wouldnt be fair if only vips can break the wr ...

clair mapper
19/05/2008 02:29:00

isnt it often stressed that the admins of this site dont make any money by doing it? that means they arent paid, and none of the money goes for them. i cant believe that mr. jumper would accuse the admins of taking the money for themselves. if this site made a lot of money, then why has tintin been sponsoring the pro challenges? well that makes a lot of sense. this is a hobby, the admins keep the site alive for the community, not for money. i doubt very much money is accumulated through donations anyway.

_LcR
19/05/2008 02:58:00

Word to Mr.Jumper and eMTi.. Why dont u guys tell us how many money you have, how many u spend monthly, etc..

JAy
19/05/2008 03:43:00

because you don't need to know that information... its at no use to you... and WORD clair

KolYma
19/05/2008 10:20:00

I just looked at the donate section for the first time, and I just want to say that it's ridiculous that you have to pay to access all the demos available on this site. That kind of stuff should be public access since it's a part of kz history. All the other stuff is completely trivial though. +v in irc? Really? Suggestion: make the demos free, and remove that retarded star system. I was also thinking that you should have a couple of days where the private servers just play recently submitted, unapproved maps. Not like you have now where it's just "Exclusive chance to take part in our password protected Maptest sessions." Just have it so that every Sunday, all the "VIPs" can play the unreleased maps for fun, no map checking stuff. But also keep the chance to participate in a map checking session. Good idea. P.S. It's not "donating" if you pay to get something. And Jay, it would be in their best interest to disclose that information. If this site is actually in trouble, and people can actually see how bad it's doing, then they'd be more inclined to donate. There, I did my part.

SigMa
19/05/2008 12:10:00

Boah /quit to all t3h suckers. sorry, but have you ever spent year of Work for no money? Because u love the Community somehow? If you pay everything yourself in the beginning? Fortunatly they found some private "sponsors". It's not that easy to create a page like this, with all the Scripts, the Server Scripts, and so on. AND they did it for Free. How dare you accusing the admins. Its not obvious that everything you could do here for free is free. I have been in KZ since nearly the beginning (not in xj, but kz). Ive seen it growing. It's was good, there where some ppl, who had the same interestings, and they shared theyr knowledge. It was a together. Now a big part of the community is overflown by kids that think they are cool, posing with theyr records they made. And most of them are working agains the others. If someone cant do something he/she goes to the Forum, and makes a "Help me, but fast!!" post. Why do you pay a Premium account in ESL? you dont have really more rights or things you could do. (some leagues, no advertise, ..). Good point, have you ever seen any advertise on xj? nope. ESL have enough sponsors, so why they have Premium? You dont really think they NEED the money for Trusted, Premium to keed the ESL page alive? It's just fair if the Admins of xj get something for the work they have done FOR the Community so far. There is for shure a great potential for some bigger cups. for example EU cup, USA cup and so on. Oh shure, then the gimps comes, lolzor easy money for Brian )for example), this sucks. this is the problem. You are on the same Site with the best jumpers/most wr holders. Thats something you dont have in ESL, because you have EPS, EAS, etc. You dont play with the best players in the same league. B2t: I would like donating something, but since paypal is the only possible method, i cant do it. give me a bank account number and its np. PS: flame on me! C'mon!!!

eMTi
19/05/2008 12:41:00

SigMa, i don't want to accuse anyone for anything and i personally really respect the work of the admins. It's hard work to care for everything that happens around here and it takes a lot of time AND money. the only thing i basicly asked for, was the chance to get some rough financial information. Don't get me wrong, but i don't want my money spent for admins... in case i donate i should be spend for the community and nothing else! i simply want to be shure thats it is really that way. Nothing against the admins at this point but working for this community is what they choose to do ("love it or leave it"...). btw SigMa.. no flame, just argueing to make my point clear <3

faker mapper
19/05/2008 14:55:00

Ok, here we go. Thanks again for your feedback, had some nice reads. Let's start with a preamble: It's not like XJ is going to be stopped without the donations, BUT there are 2 obvious points you gotta admit: - XJ is growing from day to day. This means we need more traffic, more discspace and it's more work to keep the systems running. That means we need more money to keep the site running. - OddYsseus did a lot for the community, he kept paying the domains, most of the servers and the extra traffic for years. During the last 2 years, that's no big secret, he kinda lost his interest in the community. That's why he doesn't want to pay as many bills as before. All of our admins are spending a lot of time and work to keep this site running for you guys out there, to provide a place to talk, compete and learn/watch kz related stuff. Ofc eMTi is right, it's our hobby ("love it or leave it"), BUT adminstrative work is NOT fun all of the time. If you play kz maps or try to record demos for yourself you do it because you like to. If you get bored you can stop for some days/weeks/months. Nobody would notice (unless you are brian or ndR). The admins can't... They need to go on with their work when they are bored, just to keep you guys satisfied and keep the site alive. Thats a big difference... Of course most of the admins would pay the bills to keep the site running, too, but that's not they way it should be imo, because we are already doing a lot of (unpaid) work for you. Everyone who cares about this site can and should contribute. - By now there is some money on my paypal account, that's right, but it's not being used yet. How much? None of you business, seriously... Word to JAy. But I can assure you it's not even close enough to cover the expenses for the next 6 months. - Btw, it's not only about keeping this site alive. We'd love to grow and get even bigger in the future. Right now the current servers run at their limits, further expansion will be very expensive because we need another OWN root server. That's what we're saving the donated money for at the moment. If you really want to know how much money we need to keep a site like this alive (with 2 TB's traffic a month and different servers) try to check out how expensive root servers are (with good hardware, 1gbit uplink, few TB discspace etc... cause thats what we need for the future). -- Mr.Jumper: Seriously this was the most brazen and stupid post I ever saw; and I'm around for quite a while... "Congratulations". Please come back when you know what it takes to run a site like this (this is no national community like CG or many other sites running on a 40-50€ server) instead of being the ungraceful beneficiary who comes around to download demos and maps and don't care about the community. [your own words] Seriously, your post is miles away from being cool if that was your intention... Anyway, some quotes to destroy your ridiculous accusations: [quote]everything is sponsored by TinTin (prochallenge2) and faker wrote that MiniAngle is keeping up this site alive with some benefits... so actually you dont need money... isnt it? But you told ous, that we have to spend money very fast..., else this site will be shutting down... very strange, isnt it?[/quote] The answer is simple... a) The site is growing from day to day, so we need to expand... and that's why we need some extra money in the future. b) With the huge amount of traffic caused (the traffic is also growing ofc) some of our current sponsors started demanding money, too. c) OddYsseus, one of the owners who _payed_ like 500€ the last years to keep this site alive (and we all know, without XJ KZ would be pretty much dead right now and you couldn't just come by and download some demos and maps), isn't willing to pay the bills and run the site for ppl like you anymore. I can assure you he didn't earn a CENT by running this site. Neither did I. P.S: The $100 for the pro-challenge are taken from the donated money. I just put up TinTin as the main sponsor because he is the most generous donator out there. About your ridiculous calculations: At the moment the donated money doesn't even cover the expenses for the next 6 months. It's not even close to be 1000€+ btw.... And even if everyone would doante and we could make 90.000€, that still would be great because we could start big LAN events with prize money and/or hardware to win; means taking KZ to the next level. As a conclusion I want to say that you are more than welcome to give it a try and run your own community instead of talking bullshit... and you'll notice very soon that it takes a lot more than you might imagine. And HF & GL finding sponsors, or maybe you are just lazy ;) ;) ;)

Remote
19/05/2008 15:05:00

@SigMa: well said mate :)

Mr.Jumper
19/05/2008 16:01:00

yo faker thanks for the informations. You are right, that I ve no idea about webservers and stuff, but I know how much money you could earn with that VIP project and I am not stupid... just unexperienced... I do not think, that I hit the most stupid comment..., maybe I hit the flaw in this system...:D but anyway lets dont care about it... It is always in the eye of the beholder and I dont wanna be no longer a thorn in your flesh :P I ve quit this issue here anyway... but I will still check out the news and we will see in 2-3years, how far you ve made it with this community... I dont not think, that you will organise LAN events and things aroudn that, because this community is too international and too young... no chance to organise it and big Hardware prices etc... Like I wrote in my comment... this community stagnates and cant measure up to ESL ;) Just a fun project and you hype and overexcite this... calm down dude HF & GL for further projects

eMTi
19/05/2008 16:24:00

thx for clear answers :) @faker: I'll be on irc this evening at about 20:00.. continue this there, i think i got something for you :)

SigMa
19/05/2008 18:47:00

@eMTi : I just forgot one thing in my post. I wrote this one inreactions of Mr.Jumpers post. I overreacted a bit. and your right. make <3 not war XD lol [quote]but I know how much money you could earn with that VIP project and I am not stupid.[/quote] somehow you are. You dont really think that a team of more than 2 Admins would allow, that one asks in public for Donations and then keep everything for himself? btw: a rootserver is really expensive. A League would be nice. Based on the Cups in the past. only accessible for the VIP users. But this is future thinking. First of all we have to make shure that xj can exist with the additional servers they need.

_LcR
19/05/2008 22:26:00

"because you don't need to know that information... its at no use to you..." its like real life.. you have to pay your taxes , and when govern builds something they have to say exactly how much they spent ... (:

clair mapper
19/05/2008 23:32:00

there are many many more than 2 admins that contribute to this website

SigMa
20/05/2008 00:02:00

yay, ofc but it was only to show, that one Admin dont make 50% of the team and there are more than one other.

KolYma
22/05/2008 09:48:00

If you want more donations, disclose the current donations and the cost of the site. If you owe 500 a month and are only getting 200 via donations more people will be inclined to donate. The only reason I can see for you not disclosing the info is if you're actually receiving more money than is required to pay for the site. I'm not going to give my money so that you can have a fatter wallet.

faker mapper
23/05/2008 18:11:00

If you check the VIP members you can see that, except for TinTin's Donation, we get like 10-20€ each month. There are like 5-8 VIP members at the moment... It's not hard to calculate I guess. And now go check how much you need to pay for a root server with decent hardware ;)

ikote
21/12/2012 20:32:00

Yeah!

scr1pt3d?!
21/12/2012 20:59:00

finally

thenimrod
21/12/2012 22:01:00

hell yea! its here :D

Assassin 1337
21/12/2012 22:03:00

[b]:3[/b]

Nission
22/12/2012 12:31:00

wat amazing....big file

badass .
23/12/2012 16:23:00

Best game ever <3

ba1abas
02/01/2013 10:56:00

poidet

Ft.skY
06/01/2013 10:07:00

[b]Amazing.[/b]

PepoMerca
11/01/2013 00:32:00

great1

pouc
29/01/2013 04:40:00

good job!

chesszor-
21/08/2013 21:03:00

for what is the source sdk 2006 ?

marionai9
06/02/2014 13:45:00

did it work on mac?