FPS-Death Changes

By faker mapper·
Hey guys,

apperently our AC-Tool FPS-Death might has been leaked as skilled (cheat)coders are working on a way to crack it in this moment. We knew the Anti-leak protection could be cracked, just as any other protection out there, but it is terrifying to know that one of the "trusted" Account-holders gave away his copy to crackers/coders.

Therefore eDark and the XJ staff decided to stop to supply national communities with FPS-Death in the future. All existing accounts will be deleted and your FPS-Death copies will stop working right now. We are sorry that a lot of innocent demo admins have to take this burden, but obviously one or some of the guys can't be trusted and we can't take the risk to give away such important files to pretty unknown people anymore.

Let's hope the coders have the decency to keep the cracked version for themselves, otherwise I see very dark days coming for this community :(

P.S: Last but not least, just to have a few positive things in this news: eDark is working on a remake of FPS-Death at the moment. This new version will contain a lot of new stuff and detections, and I gurantee that it won't get leaked because nobody will ever get a hand on it except the 1000% trusted people here at XJ.

Keep your heads up.

/update:

We are working on a solution for the national communities out there:

Actually, if all of the XJ account-holders agree, there could be a a place where national demo admins can post suspicious demos and make the XJ demo admins check them for hacks.

This way the national communities can check the demos with fps death public to get the average fps and check for the right ingame-settings to keep their record section up²date.

The well established jumpers in the respective communities can be trusted anyway, so you don't need to check every single demo for bhop hacks etc. If there is a new guy or a suspicious demo you can request a special check by the XJ admins.

This was how things were handled before the accounts were introduced, and I'm sure it is still working.

If you are one of the national demo admins please post in here.

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28/07/2008 14:18:00

;(

28/07/2008 14:23:00

OMFG?! :O

28/07/2008 14:24:00

woot :(

28/07/2008 14:26:00

thx for destroying the national record pages :cry:

28/07/2008 14:27:00

one question: wtf are site admins suppose to use for checking demos ?!

28/07/2008 14:27:00

very very very sad news :S means, every national community can stop their demolists (except they would make an own anti-cheat-tool). but, change the 1000% in 100%, cause more than 100% = not exist = lies :-D

28/07/2008 14:28:00

shit :S

28/07/2008 14:31:00

this is stupid... seriously... can`t u find out who is that piece of shit that gave his copy of fps-death and BAN the shit out of him?! this means that all national communitys die... without checking demos how r we supposed to know who`s cheating and who is legit?! :( omg... this is fucked up :((

28/07/2008 14:31:00

I can't believe this shit. :(

28/07/2008 14:33:00

by doing this you're killing all other communities.... kzfr will end up for sure... Very sad...

28/07/2008 14:33:00

NICE NEWS FOR ME :EEEEEEEEEEEEE

28/07/2008 14:35:00

so sad but still im waiting for next fps-death public release :]

28/07/2008 14:35:00

baad news shit : /

28/07/2008 14:36:00

oh ;)

28/07/2008 14:37:00

ZOMG O_0

28/07/2008 14:41:00

:o but correct decision :(

28/07/2008 14:43:00

I guess it's too late to search & destroy the person behind this 'coz I bet he has distributed it along. Sad news indeed, but we'll get over this! :D

28/07/2008 14:44:00

:|

28/07/2008 14:44:00

WUZ HANNENIN???!? You can't use the public version :S??

28/07/2008 14:48:00

oh noez :(

28/07/2008 14:54:00

no wrath, the publuc version has no cheat detection ^^ so u can't check demos for cheats with public version ;)

28/07/2008 14:55:00

Wow, this is fucking sad. But I guess someone could have seen this coming sometime. Hard to say if there's any way back for the national communities now. :/

28/07/2008 14:56:00

That definently sux but what can we do? Cant we just use Demolyser?

28/07/2008 14:58:00

damn:(

Mr.Jumper
28/07/2008 14:58:00

It is very good to know that you are working against cheaters. you ve made the right decision! keep on working hfgl

28/07/2008 15:00:00

mentaL_o there's no public version of any tools that can check for bhop-script ,slow-mo hack etc. Public version check only for timer bug and fps ... that sux man...what should do the other community right now ?

28/07/2008 15:03:00

other community will have a lot of cheater right now . worst new ever :[

28/07/2008 15:06:00

Many communities will die. But it's your choice.. [b]Now only 50 people may make records. On 50000 is [color=#ff0000]sad[/color][/b]

28/07/2008 15:08:00

ye, i forgot in my post. it's said yes, but also yes (and that i forgot to say), it is, dont matter how sad it is, the right descision.

28/07/2008 15:13:00

hmm bad news for national communitys.. but right descision anyway. @3ddy: now i know why you asked me :) gonna hurry with it and contact eDark for details etc.

28/07/2008 15:18:00

i agree with you troublemaker, this is the right decision... it is fucking annoying when u work on a program to help other people check demos (for that we have tot thank eDark again...) and some little prick comes and fucks eDark in the first place, and us all in the second place... even tho another fps-death program will appear in 2 months or 2 years... if that program is only given to 1000% trusted people by xj admins... we`ll not be a part of those people... on a 50000 members community u can`t know everyone and even if u know them, you cant tell if they can be trusted man.... this is one sad news :(

28/07/2008 15:25:00

ok. thx

28/07/2008 15:26:00

how can i become a trusted xj member :D ????

28/07/2008 15:26:00

Very sad news, but everything will be all right!

28/07/2008 15:32:00

We are thinking about a partly solution for this problem. Actually, if all of the XJ account-holders agree, there could be a special forum for the national demo admins where they can post suspicious demos and make the XJ demo admins check them for hacks. This way the national communities can check the demos with fps death public to get the average fps and check for the right settings and keep their record section up²date. The well established jumpers in the respective communities can be trusted anyway, and if there is a new guy or a suspicious demo you can request a special check by the XJ admins. This was how things were handled before the accounts were introduced, and I'm sure it is still working. btw... The changes won't affect kz-sca and Climbers-Germany anyway, because their demo admins are part of the XJ Staff and are allowed to keep their FPS-Death copy. Going to update the news.

28/07/2008 15:42:00

very complicated way. But the securest :D good luck

28/07/2008 15:43:00

and what about the ljstats on lj records... even tho those are not necesarry, people ask for them... the public demolyser doesnt help us with that ur ideea is very good, but that means a whole lot of work for thopa... and thats not good :(

28/07/2008 15:44:00

Ljstats, who cares? You have plugins for it which are even correct

28/07/2008 15:47:00

Check the admin list boom.dll, there are more demo admins now. I won't ask thopa to do that ofc, he is doing a great job with the records and LJ records already, ofc he can't take care of this one, too.

sn00pkz
28/07/2008 15:47:00

hes talking about lj demos with scripts ffs

28/07/2008 15:49:00

don't you ever say "longjumps" again, when the community is in such a situation!!! At least the update made me smile a bit :)

28/07/2008 15:55:00

"The changes won't affect kz-sca and Climbers-Germany anyway, because their demo admins are part of the XJ Staff and are allowed to keep their FPS-Death copy." Kzmaps-Finland has been active over 4 years and you still won't trust the community? That's quite offensive to say the least.

28/07/2008 15:56:00

that`s what i was trying to say myself... i`ll probably disable the lj tops.... whatever... thats not really that important i edited my post in the national admins thread... can u answer me faker pls? :)

28/07/2008 16:09:00

Vyrus: It's not about which community can be trusted or not, it's just that fps-death is restricted to XJ Staff members... and that wasn't even my call... it was eDark's. kz-sca and CG are just "lucky" that their demo admins are XJ staff members as well. It's not like they have the "license" to check demos in the future, it's just that their admins have a copy of fps-death so they can check the demos a bit faster (without asking other XJ admins). That the real meaning of my post, cause you obviously did understand it the wrong way.

28/07/2008 16:15:00

faker you think that every trustworthy people in the kz scene are admins in xj?

28/07/2008 16:16:00

what about to make a special menu in the left place of the site under community or main 'check demos'.You upload the demo and when succesful analyse , the script said if it's clean or it's cheat. Is this possible?

28/07/2008 16:21:00

What would happen if someone from the XJ staff gave it to crackers/coders? :p

28/07/2008 16:23:00

Aly007, I don't know much about it, but if it was a simple as that, this option would have been possible a long time ago. No reason to give the admins Fps-Death then.

28/07/2008 16:23:00

he would be fucked in the ass and i think that faker & OddYsseus wouldn't let him stay in XJ forwards (admin remove perm ban?)

28/07/2008 16:26:00

Vyrus: No, but they are pretty familiar to me and eDark, and most importantly they have something to lose and can be controlled. Im not saying I do not trust you guys out there at kzfi, but this decision is eDark's decision and you have to accept it (even I have to accept it). So don't blame me for being the bad guy here, cause it's quite the contrary... Im trying to work something out for every community around. Neither is eDark. He is just sick to waste big parts of his time in improving the anti-leak (or fixing stuff in the anti-leak) to get it cracked anyway, instead of working on the real tool or the new engine. Now, after this happening, he decided to stop it and go back to the roots.

28/07/2008 16:26:00

too bad :(

28/07/2008 16:28:00

"apperently our AC-Tool FPS-Death might has been leaked" if u found out, this means u know who gave his account... ban his ass ftw! good question puppetz :S

28/07/2008 16:31:00

I understand your point faker, but this decision may be the end of demo sections in many communities. Just because one guy leaked the program every community has to suffer? Many starting players who yet can't compete with the wr's at xj might lose their motivation since they have nothing to compete against, discluding public servers. Can't you track the leak down to some account or anything?

28/07/2008 16:44:00

suxxxxxxxx

28/07/2008 16:56:00

it will probebly be cracked soon, and then everyone can get a copy...

28/07/2008 17:01:00

Vyrus, apperently they can't, otherwise eDark would have done that already. Ofc, this descision makes it a bit more complicated to check suspicous demos but after all, what faker suggested is fair! Imo there's no point in talking about missing trust in some communitys, because this isnt what the restriction is about. It's about protecting honest players and detecting cheaters. FPS is the only weapon against cheaters so far, if this weapon is gone because of a cracked version, wich allows serious cheating in wr demos, honest players will loose motivation to record demos. And this is the last thing we want to have here and in your national comunities. So just wait for the new FPSD and i think, there will be a way to get things back to normal, or even better. In the meantime fakers work-around soultion should be enough and fine for everyone. Hope you understood my point :)

28/07/2008 17:42:00

OMFG this SUX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

28/07/2008 17:44:00

awful, I wish to know who do we "thank" for this....

cl1mb3r b0i
28/07/2008 17:51:00

IT WAS ME.

28/07/2008 18:02:00

Is THIS THE End of kzfr kzfi bkz kzro kzru kzsk kzlv kzee and the other big communityes ? only xj kzsca and cg survive :X THIS IS THE END OF KREEDZ I think ...

28/07/2008 18:11:00

lol recording is not everything. >.<

28/07/2008 18:14:00

thats right, its the only thing :D

28/07/2008 18:27:00

recording is a huge part for a community

28/07/2008 18:27:00

Very sad news for chinese kz players,becoz we got nearly 55000 registed members in our forums and dozens of kz servers. Without fps-death,a difficulty is aggravated for us to check cheating demos. I look forward xj could give chinese community an account of FD,only one account is enough for us. we ll appreciate all of xj admins.

28/07/2008 19:22:00

Sucks that there always are some nolifers who have nothing better to do then ruining for the rest....But like the news sais, most recorders are known and be pretty trusted. If there are some suspicious demos XJ will help :)

28/07/2008 20:04:00

I just wonder, how can you know it leaked. what ever :::::::::::::::::::::D

28/07/2008 20:25:00

Sad that some people ruins it for so many others... Well I guess the I-have-something-rare factor is always a burden for some people. But I think the headadmin staff at XJ knows who can be trusted in the future. eDark, you are a really great person!

28/07/2008 20:27:00

Btw. I really support your idea faker! Making a cheat-suspecious forum for the national community demoadmins.

28/07/2008 20:29:00

Like kuttaja says, how you wanna know that its getting leaked, asked the FBI or whoever ?

cl1mb3r b0i
28/07/2008 20:47:00

IT WAS ME PEOPLE!

28/07/2008 21:23:00

proof it

28/07/2008 22:11:00

faker, but even well known jumpers could cheat.. I think everybody remember the story of one of XJ jumper. P.S. Troublemaker, 100% isn't possible, too.

28/07/2008 22:21:00

Well... Kexas has a point, but anyways. XJ admins are going to be sweating their asses off checking many maps 'coz theres always someone new in the podium. I just hope you guys are up for it. For another matter do you guys (mainly meaning eDark) have any clue how long it could have been distributed? Day? Week? A month?

28/07/2008 22:38:00

you know what would be fuckedup ? suddently a lot of new jumpers with WR =)) lol........don`t give fps-death to anyone than the xj staff ..... is the right choice. if i was edark i wouldn`t give it away in the first place..... 90% of the world want to destroy anything that they are not good at.......it sucks realy bad.

28/07/2008 23:04:00

awwwwww :(

28/07/2008 23:16:00

That's pretty gay. I say that eDark should just make the client like he was going to, this would solve alot I think.

28/07/2008 23:47:00

Maybe this is just XJ:s secret plan to kill other communities?

29/07/2008 00:36:00

omg

29/07/2008 06:56:00

ahhaahhahahhahaha ihmiskilpi they create the other communities :D

29/07/2008 08:41:00

hum no vodka

29/07/2008 09:15:00

why wich is the first jump community then ?

29/07/2008 11:40:00

THANKS FOR KILLING ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITIES MOTHER F***ERS, KTHXBYE ;))))))))) now there won't be any national lj-record pages with stats, every known community jumper can start cheating and no one will even notice. thaaaaanks XJ, I think in some years XJ will be the only existing kz community... I'm so angry about this sdfghdsfwer

29/07/2008 15:06:00

Lucky u, cg and sca. I don't know what's will happen now, but only what I hope is that other communities don't die now.

29/07/2008 19:21:00

it's stupid to say things like "THANKS FOR KILLING ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITIES MOTHER F***ERS," because if it wasnt for xj you would not know how to check a demo even for simple script

29/07/2008 19:49:00

Why do you guys make such a fuss about it? Why is it so bad, that it got leaked? It is a neat tool, everyone should be allowed to have it. I am thinking about releasing it. I don't know yet. It was fun to crack, i got to know the DarkBasic Virtual Machine. And it wasn't that easy, either. Nevertheless, please state some reasonable arguments, why i shouldn't release this tool for everyone to have. http://home.arcor.de/neotracer/FPS-Death126-leak.png

29/07/2008 20:41:00

DeepBlueSea, i think XJ are afraid that it might get hacked and then cheaters couldn't be caught.

29/07/2008 20:45:00

That's security through obscurity...

30/07/2008 02:48:00

But it works doesn't it? Why does eDark have to work 3 times as hard when he can just limit the people who have access to the program?

30/07/2008 03:23:00

Because eventually someone finds a way nonetheless. I am for free software and information, no restrictions to anyone in this. Everyone shall know how it works, what it does and whatnot. It is btw. the same argument between open source (free software) and closed-source. So we might get not very far with this.

30/07/2008 03:42:00

How would someone find a way if not everyone has the program? That's exactly the point. It's a different story if someone who is supposedly trustworthy leaks it though. However you're right, it is the same argument between open source and closed source, only we're not talking about microsoft against sun here... XJ is a relatively small community and it's not interested in any profit from what it does. This is just a hobby for all of us right? So can't you just let things be as they are, they were working fine anyway.

30/07/2008 04:48:00

I still think its unfair that only a closed circle has the power to check demos with such a tool. Why should the whole community trust those few people? No, they even expect other commnunities world-wide to entrust them in this matter. I think it is wrong, so i released the tool. Of course and out of a bit of respect, i won't post the link here. Eventually it will spread, i don't know. Example on a hack: There are ways and methods you can cheat with slowmotion, which are by design undetected. Only flaw and thats where you can get some hints on whether the guy is hacking is the mouse-movement. (maybe there are other hints, i wasnt investigating that deep) If the hacker finds a way, to replicate mousemovement, that doesnt differ from default mousemovement of any legit played demo, then there is no way to proof from a technical point of view. Now, that this fact is known, admins and player know what to expect. I see no major disadvantage in disclosed knowledge.

30/07/2008 05:03:00

no comment dbs o_x

30/07/2008 05:09:00

You remind me a lot of dalai... Both of you guys make the same mistake. We can trust those "few people" because those few people are the ones who have run this community for a long time now. This is not some dictatorship where the community is suffering. It's not Soviet Russia here. Everyone is looking to get the better for XJ and the kz community generally. They have no other motive - they don't get any money for it. And don't even mention this inflated artificial "internet fame", because that is just a load of crap. I think you're also trying to make the community a little better, but I don't think you're doing it the right way. An open source program just doesn't fit for a community like this where all they're looking for is to stop hackers. Generally, I'm all for open source, just like you seem to be. Besides, what's the point of causing this little bit of trouble when you know that soon enough eDark will release a better version of FPS-Death to very few people in the community. In the long run, instead of helping the community by making this program available for everyone, you actually deprived a huge majority of the community from a better program. You've already released it though, so I guess no demo releases for a while now. Kudos on not posting the link here though.

30/07/2008 05:33:00

Well, i see both our standpoints are so fundamentally different. ;) There is no point in taking this any further. Thank you for your opinion on this.

30/07/2008 09:45:00

No problem.

30/07/2008 09:58:00

aehm DeepBlueSea and the arguments from other users are completly wrong. Fact is that in the past all national communitys had few min 2demo admins. which could check the demos on everything. but now thx to peoples like ko1n/impulz it was known that it was leaked. And so's statements from the national communitys demoadmins could be trusted. After leak faker and eDark changed that system.

30/07/2008 13:04:00

@all: If you see a link to this make sure you check ithe files before you run it, because if I was you I'd rather do not run this exe file, because it might be a backdoor/trojan included as well. @DBS: The reason should be obvious. If FPS-Death admin was public, the information given by the tool could be used to write a "proved" hack or to check if cheated demos are detcted before they get submitted by possible cheaters, means any cheater could check his demos before he undertakes the risk to submit them and see if he will get banned. Either way it plays in the hands of the cheaters and helps to destroy our little community, or at least the record section.

03/08/2008 18:36:00

Oh shit :( One of the worst news ever.