Non-Steam
Originally posted by dEMoliteOriginally posted by Stewie!if worst comes to worst, we can make an AMXX plugin to remove the slowdown and get our doubleduck back
amxx plugin won't be used because it can be manipulated
What?
I mean just update the KZ plugins to bring back the doubleduck
Originally posted by Icetiger94i bought 1.6 and im gonna play 1.6 -.-
dont waste your moneys
woo00o0o0o0o0o 10 euros, get a job dude.. this sounds pathetic
29/04/2009 01:51Originally posted by Stewie!Originally posted by dEMoliteOriginally posted by Stewie!if worst comes to worst, we can make an AMXX plugin to remove the slowdown and get our doubleduck back
amxx plugin won't be used because it can be manipulated
What?
I mean just update the KZ plugins to bring back the doubleduck
and i mean with recorded demos, because there is no proof that the jumper used the original amxx plugin for doubleduck or a manipulated version ^^
Originally posted by dEMoliteOriginally posted by Stewie!Originally posted by dEMoliteOriginally posted by Stewie!if worst comes to worst, we can make an AMXX plugin to remove the slowdown and get our doubleduck back
amxx plugin won't be used because it can be manipulated
What?
I mean just update the KZ plugins to bring back the doubleduck
and i mean with recorded demos, because there is no proof that the jumper used the original amxx plugin for doubleduck or a manipulated version ^^
then numb just doesnt have to release the .sma? so nobody can edit it
Its not that hard to decompile AMXX plugins.
DaFox, it is. Or mind telling us how to do it?
Originally posted by DaFoxIts not that hard to decompile AMXX plugins.
I'm amxx coder and I can say that actually it's hard to decompile amxx to sma. Tried it some times - nothing worked out.
Still xj wont support nonsteam/plugins. We only have to hope for the best...
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Btw, can someone write this bug in here, plz?
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First stepsound is always random. Plus it uses more CPU than previous version.
Look at this demos.
Also you can see that it isn't so hard to detect doubleduck, so please rethink about that slowdown.
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actually the difficulty of decompiling depends on the length of the plugin. a small plugin, which a recreation of ducking should be, is not hard to decompile for people who really know how to decompile.
the problem is xj always used cs and the default movement as platform, they never allowed plugins which change the gameplay. this means using a plugin to restore the old duck is like using a doublejump plugin. another problem is, releasing an amxx binary without its sourcecode is not allowed as well. the only solution could be a metamod plugin which's sourcecode is allowed to be secret even though the plugin got released. i am sure eDark could create such a metamod plugin BUT it is still in conflict with my point about gameplay modifications.
when they want to destroy us lets do it and we start clean again..
Originally posted by SchlumPFactually the difficulty of decompiling depends on the length of the plugin. a small plugin, which a recreation of ducking should be, is not hard to decompile for people who really know how to decompile.
the problem is xj always used cs and the default movement as platform, they never allowed plugins which change the gameplay. this means using a plugin to restore the old duck is like using a doublejump plugin. another problem is, releasing an amxx binary without is sourcecode is not allowed either. the only solution could be a metamod plugin which's sourcecode is allowed to be secret even though the plugin got released. i am sure eDark could do such a thing BUT it is still in conflict with my point about gameplay modifications.
good point
Give me your acc and you buy a new one
You can use an older version of CS 1.6 without these updates, and run it on the OFFICIAL version of steam as a third-party mod.
How can you not know that?
You can also make any other changes you want to force any KZ rules and make it your own mod of CS 1.6, that way you will also have a better defense against cheaters.
Half-Life back in the day had these updates which made bunny hoping slower (important if you're trying to speedrun the game), which was EASILY solved by using a moded version of HL that didn't have a bunny hop cap as a third-party mod on STEAM.
You shouldn't depend on Valve so much, you can do it all on your own, its not like your too few to make this change possible.
03/05/2009 01:15(edited 03/05/2009 01:16)Originally posted by PlayedYou can use an older version of CS 1.6 without these updates, and run it on the OFFICIAL version of steam as a third-party mod.
How can you not know that?
It is forbidden if you had read the STEAM license. Also it's not depend on is steam official or not, because we are using STEAM with original Counter-Strike(over Steam) not anything extracted modified versions.
Originally posted by PlayedYou can also make any other changes you want to force any KZ rules and make it your own mod of CS 1.6, that way you will also have a better defense against cheaters.
No sourcecode for it also no own mod, so there isn't a way to add something new with kzrules for it.
Originally posted by PlayedHalf-Life back in the day had these updates which made bunny hoping slower (important if you're trying to speedrun the game), which was EASILY solved by using a moded version of HL that didn't have a bunny hop cap as a third-party mod on STEAM.
It is still possible without slower bhop in the original HL. Also we are using the original version of Counter-Strike without anything modified...
Originally posted by PlayedYou shouldn't depend on Valve so much, you can do it all on your own, its not like your too few to make this change possible.
We are depend on Valve because we are a legal community based on the given rules by Valve & Counter-Strike
Originally posted by dEMoliteOriginally posted by PlayedYou can use an older version of CS 1.6 without these updates, and run it on the OFFICIAL version of steam as a third-party mod.
How can you not know that?
It is forbidden if you had read the STEAM license. Also it's not depend on is steam official or not, because we are using STEAM with original Counter-Strike(over Steam) not anything extracted modified versions.
There's a bunch of online mods for Half-Life, so whats exactly is forbidden?
using an older version of CS online?
Valve always allowed mods for their games as long as you owned them, it's the first time I see someone say it is forbidden.
Originally posted by dEMoliteOriginally posted by PlayedYou can also make any other changes you want to force any KZ rules and make it your own mod of CS 1.6, that way you will also have a better defense against cheaters.
No sourcecode for it also no own mod, so there isn't a way to add something new with kzrules for it.
I was thinking that you guys could modify some game mechanics to prevent certain unwanted exploits or stuff like that, thought you had people that know how to program that could do that.
Originally posted by dEMoliteOriginally posted by PlayedHalf-Life back in the day had these updates which made bunny hoping slower (important if you're trying to speedrun the game), which was EASILY solved by using a moded version of HL that didn't have a bunny hop cap as a third-party mod on STEAM.
It is still possible without slower bhop in the original HL. Also we are using the original version of Counter-Strike without anything modified...
that was just an example of how a problem like yours was solved, and no, it is not possible at the same speed as in the first version of HL.
There's a speed cap that prevents bunny hoping as fast as it used to be.
A simple mod for HL without this cap solved the problem...
Originally posted by dEMoliteOriginally posted by PlayedYou shouldn't depend on Valve so much, you can do it all on your own, its not like your too few to make this change possible.
We are depend on Valve because we are a legal community based on the given rules by Valve & Counter-Strike
I didn't suggest you go illegal, but just do it in another way, less dependent.
I just had to say this because of the time I spent playing KZ, I don't anymore, so I won't mind too much if the community does nothing and lets KZ die a little.
It's up to you (KZ community).
@ Played: kzmod.com
there you got your mod. Not HL1 though, but still independent and build from scratch for kreedz type gameplay.
Gonna try out Hl1 + cs 1.5 this evening maybe ;)
I'm beginning to like the idea (old knife ftw)