Why not update LJ record!!!
08/12/2009 14:49its ridiculous all this bullshit, for years, and i mean YEARS people have said 'get rid of it its worthless, no one cares' no one cares? search lj on youtube, look at all the servers running lj maps constantly, look at all the (fucking idiots IMO) with '254.438 lj!!!' in their steam name.. lj isnt kz? wow, just because a few of you don't like it doesnt mean its not kz. if you honestly think lj is unrelated to kz then your clueless and need to have a hard think about what kz is based on.
in my opinion, ljing IS important. i don't know if longjumping in a kzlj2 is important, but the technique of STRAFING, PRE STRAFING and all that stuff are important both to beat a hard bhop map and to make an ubershortcut and beat a wr in a map which seemed to be unbeatable. and apart from that, most of the best kreedzers can lj more than other ones.. so it seems to be "important" as all kreedzers practice all kind of "XTREME-JUMPING" so i think that all the people who say "who cares about lj?" should rethink the situation.
08/12/2009 17:30hazard is zeh man imo..
Originally posted by cookie.csin my opinion, ljing IS important. i don't know if longjumping in a kzlj2 is important, but the technique of STRAFING, PRE STRAFING and all that stuff are important both to beat a hard bhop map and to make an ubershortcut and beat a wr in a map which seemed to be unbeatable. and apart from that, most of the best kreedzers can lj more than other ones.. so it seems to be "important" as all kreedzers practice all kind of "XTREME-JUMPING" so i think that all the people who say "who cares about lj?" should rethink the situation.
hm.. so it should be "who cares about kz_ljs2 longjumping?"
Originally posted by cookie.csin my opinion, ljing IS important. i don't know if longjumping in a kzlj2 is important, but the technique of STRAFING, PRE STRAFING and all that stuff are important both to beat a hard bhop map and to make an ubershortcut and beat a wr in a map which seemed to be unbeatable. and apart from that, most of the best kreedzers can lj more than other ones.. so it seems to be "important" as all kreedzers practice all kind of "XTREME-JUMPING" so i think that all the people who say "who cares about lj?" should rethink the situation.
Ofcourse longjumping is important, nobody has said it's not.. but we are talking about demoreleases.. demoreleases of 10 new 254 block demos that nobody wants to download. SO WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I CARE ABOUT IT? I can't see 30 demos on kz_xj_mountez at record list.. so delete all lj demos except the wrs and update only if someone jumps a wr.
FOF surely give me a bigggg surprise
272Cj amazing
gogo fight for 275units haha
rofl remake. every time i watch a map beaten by 1 second, its basically the same demo anyway, just with different style and maybe 1 extra dd or bhop or faster transition...
and the same goes for longjumps. you watch a 256 block demo, then watch another, and its done basically the same with different style and maybe one extra or one less strafe.
so maybe they shouldnt accept wr demos unless they're beaten by 5 seconds. that way the demo is completely different and your not forced to watch the same thing again, cause who cares about that right?
which brings me to my next point....
the longjumps arent there JUST for you, Royal Highness, to watch. they are the best longjumps performed by dedicated jumpers from around the world, and are there as a testament as to both the individual players skill, and to show how far longjumping has come.
its not about the viewing pleasure of the random people that visit the site, its about displaying the top jumps.
and btw, the next release wont only contain a few more 254 blocks....i believe the bhop wr has been beaten, as has the cj....so i guess your statement in that regard, is redundant.
ps: admins release the demos kthnx
you obviously didn't understand my point. Map record beaten by 1 sec = lj record beaten by 1 unit. Currently, there are 10+ demos on the same block, so for you it would be okay to ask admins to release 10 demos on the same map with the same time? And if these demos are not for my viewing pleasure, then why is there more than 1 demo? There can be only one record, not 20.
EDIT: oh, and i'm pretty damn sure if there would be a release of 20 kz_xj_mountez demos in the same time by different players, you wouldn't say "oh amazing gonna download and watch them all" but "who cares?".. and that's exactly the same i'm thinking about multiple lj demos on the same block.
my sarcastic post was a point that maps and ljs arent comparable. (hard to convey tone through text)
you cant say a map beaten by x = a longjump beaten by x.
its not the same thing (again sorry if u misunderstood my post)
the points your making rely on the pretense that the demos are their purely for people's viewing pleasure - which they're not!
i dont know how many times im going to have to say that.
and its good that theres multiple on each block - i like that past demos (and current) are there on display (and i also would mind if the record demos kept the top3 times on each map - kind of like a gold/silver/bronze homage)
this community and its motives are so fucking misguided now. this is a site to show the top times, and top jumps.
not a film festival where everyone is their own pretentious critique.
and the fact is, its not like ur exposed to constant 254 blocks anyway....most of the time they just fall into the crowd and you wont even notice theres been an update - nobody is forcing you to click the longjumps link and look at all the demos and download them all....
and to try to hold back other peoples achievements and say theres 'no point in a release' is fucking selfish.
09/12/2009 07:52(edited 09/12/2009 07:53)I think it's a bad idea to compare the lj section to the map record section. Obviously, something like 255 units lj, 265 units cj or whatever is not really necessary to do kz maps well. Far most of the maps here can be completed with a lj record of below 245.
I guess the lj section was just something faker (?) came up with some years ago, just for fun, people just seem to take it too seriously. I used to be on that list, but I don't really see the point anymore, you can see your ljstats yourself now, I guess people get some kind of "orgasm" when they see their name listed on XJs site...
Anyway, I think it would be a good step for kz/XJ to remove the lj section, it doesn't really have anything to do here anymore in my opinion. Or at least you could move that stuff to another site, I think NFS or someone created a site for lj records?
I just don't get these people crying for "lj release", what is the point? Can you tell me why it's so important?
Originally posted by puppetzI think it's a bad idea to compare the lj section to the map record section. Obviously, something like 255 units lj, 265 units cj or whatever is not really necessary to do kz maps well. Far most of the maps here can be completed with a lj record of below 245.
I think it's a bad idea to compare map record section section to a lj section. Obviously, something like bkz_goldbhop in 0135, cg_strafejumpZ in 0110 or whatever is not really necessary to do 250 on all lj maps well. Far most of 250 LJs can be done with a kz_sandblock record above 20 min.
09/12/2009 09:37Originally posted by Pulsar!Originally posted by puppetzI think it's a bad idea to compare the lj section to the map record section. Obviously, something like 255 units lj, 265 units cj or whatever is not really necessary to do kz maps well. Far most of the maps here can be completed with a lj record of below 245.
I think it's a bad idea to compare map record section section to a lj section. Obviously, something like bkz_goldbhop in 0135, cg_strafejumpZ in 0110 or whatever is not really necessary to do 250 on all lj maps well. Far most of 250 LJs can be done with a kz_sandblock record above 20 min.
Okay, you totally did not get where I was going at.
People are talking about whether lj is a part of kz, and not the other way around. Yes, it's a part of kz, but the ljs in XJs lj-section has nothing to do with it, it's just "pushing the limits".
If we didn't have kz, we wouldn't have lj.
and if we didnt have lj, kz wouldnt be where it is today.
removing ljs from the site is a lame idea...i think its cool for people to have their names on the page and for people to download the demos and such.
and whats wrong with pushing the limits? i dont understand why people are hating on the lj section...
hating lj doesnt make you cool *not saying that to you puppetz* but thats the impression i get from people.
that they think they are 'cool' for not caring about longjumps.
but the fact is, like lagster said - "search lj on youtube, look at all the servers running lj maps constantly, look at all the (fucking idiots IMO) with '254.438 lj!!!' in their steam name..."
lj is as much a part of kz as anything else and removing it entirely would be a mistake.
and btw "If we didn't have kz, we wouldn't have lj." that establishes a direct connection between lj and kz...
in saying that it reveals that you accept lj as a part of kz, it may not have been the 'first' part - but is a part nonetheless.
THATS why the lj section should stay, and THATS why it should be updated more frequently.
nuff said
"If we didn't have kz, we wouldn't have lj" yea right i didnt knew that u can climb/bhop without any strafes COUSE U DONT NEED LONGJUMP NOW WE ALL KNOW THAT U R SUPERMAN FUCK OFF
Originally posted by RemaKe`you obviously didn't understand my point. Map record beaten by 1 sec = lj record beaten by 1 unit.
getting 1 unit higher on lj's is much harder than 1 second lesser on kreedz.
LJ records must be present on XJ, however in a differently structured way. What we need is info about limits, like max LJ, max bhop, max WJ and other techniques. Why? So that the mappers know where they could expect sc's.
For me it would be more important to see following items under LJ section: LJ record (256), 250lj 245lj and 240lj multitimes record to establish how easy it is to perform those things in a row. I really don't care how many people jumped over 255, just what is the limit.
Also, why isn't WJ part of LJ records since that can effectively be used for sc (dbz_darkruins, kzse_marsh). Or ladder jump (1man_understock) or ladder bhop (airpino) - although this is effectively WJ.
IMO we should have page dedicated to all insane possible things that can be done in KZ.
+1
nvm, gonna edit my post later
09/12/2009 16:01(edited 09/12/2009 16:03)Originally posted by kz[aHazard]
and whats wrong with pushing the limits? i dont understand why people are hating on the lj section...
I never said there was something wrong with pushing the limits. I'm just saying that people are taking it too seriously, and "pushing the limits" is just something you do for fun, there's not really a serious purpose with it. But of course a lot of people cheat to get fame for having pushed the limits, and therefore unfortunately this "fun stuff" has to be handled at XJ with complex demo checking programs.
Originally posted by kz[aHazard]
and btw "If we didn't have kz, we wouldn't have lj." that establishes a direct connection between lj and kz...
in saying that it reveals that you accept lj as a part of kz, it may not have been the 'first' part - but is a part nonetheless.
It was never my intention to try and hide that lj is a part of kz, if it was, why would I state something as clear as that? My point is, and now get this:
Longjump; being able to use prestrafe and multistrafing in order to jump further than usual is a part of kz. It wasn't in the very beginning, but now it has become, and a lot of maps were even made with jumps for using this technique developed by players themselves.
The "LJ Records" section, is something else. Here people are pushing the limits trying to jump as far as their hands and the HL-engine allows them to. It is not NEEDED in kz, and I don't really see a connection between that and using longjump as a tool for climbing. Longjumping has become a "sport" for itself. And it's not only in XJ's section, we also see a lot of servers playing longjump maps, almost every server has longjump stats, and some players even join a server, just to do longjumps on the ground.
IMO, the lj section might as well have been about surfing, ladder jumps, water surfing, or something else that can be useful in kz, but it would have evolved to something extreme and pretty useless, like the lj section is today.
God knows where kz would have been today, if we wouldn't have so many people spending so much time on longjumping.
Do you see the difference?
Originally posted by GrrrOriginally posted by cookie.csin my opinion, ljing IS important. i don't know if longjumping in a kzlj2 is important, but the technique of STRAFING, PRE STRAFING and all that stuff are important both to beat a hard bhop map and to make an ubershortcut and beat a wr in a map which seemed to be unbeatable. and apart from that, most of the best kreedzers can lj more than other ones.. so it seems to be "important" as all kreedzers practice all kind of "XTREME-JUMPING" so i think that all the people who say "who cares about lj?" should rethink the situation.
hm.. so it should be "who cares about kz_ljs2 longjumping?"
maybe.. lol. i agree that only the wr for each jump should be posted. but it IS important to jump in blocks, as the blocks are the really important thing
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