Weapon drop in WR.

14/02/2010 15:03

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NeMiQ2214/02/2010 15:03

Hai.

A friend of mine gave me an idea accidentally and it could save few seconds in some bhop maps.

Here is the thing:

1. Quotation from rules:
[blockquote]You may not destroy breakable objects (like bridges for example) or push buttons (with an exception for HP boosters), or push movable objects, before you have pushed the start button.[/blockquote]
2. What about dropping gun on the bhop block; teleport to the start timer and when you come to the moving block you can jump on it immediately (maybe not, depends on luck). So you don't need to drop it and wait for it to sink down and then jump.
3. Example maps: kz_kzse_dustbhop; kz_cg_xtremedesert.

I know it's sort of lame thing but if I'm right it's legal so admins can add it to rules or let jumpers use it if they find it useful and worth to use it.

Bai.

zhady 14/02/2010 16:09

by droppin the weapon on the block you push a moveable object imo.

Flibo

14/02/2010 16:53

This exploit can't be used in world record demos. There's an unwritten rule stating that you can't open doors before starting the timer. Implying that a bhop block is technically a door, the case you mentioned should be illegal.

kREWAN14/02/2010 19:00

No not legal -.-

NeMiQ2214/02/2010 19:31

OK fellas.

But Flibo unwritten rule is unwritten and that means it's not in rules so it's like legal. I think it would be better to add that door and drop weapon thing to rules to avoid future problems with newcomers which are not familiar with all unwritten background stuff.

Pulsar!14/02/2010 19:36

Your idea is against this rule:

[blockquote]You are not allowed to use any metamod-plugins that would give you an advantage to other jumpers.[/blockquote]

WeMeRA14/02/2010 21:29

Originally posted by Pulsar!
Your idea is against this rule:

[blockquote]You are not allowed to use any metamod-plugins that would give you an advantage to other jumpers.[/blockquote]

He's not talking about plugins? wtf retard alert

Punk^14/02/2010 21:41

Originally posted by WeMeRA:PpPP
Originally posted by Pulsar!
Your idea is against this rule:

[blockquote]You are not allowed to use any metamod-plugins that would give you an advantage to other jumpers.[/blockquote]

He's not talking about plugins? wtf retard alert

I didn't get that one either.

chrizZo14/02/2010 23:49

Originally posted by NeMiQ22
But Flibo unwritten rule is unwritten and that means it's not in rules so it's like legal. I think it would be better to add that door and drop weapon thing to rules to avoid future problems with newcomers which are not familiar with all unwritten background stuff.

What Flibo said is the truth. The rule "you are not allowed to push moveable objects" is kinda going into the direction to forbid your tactic.

But as you already said, we have to change the rules and formulate it more precisely. Thanks for your subtle attention and suggestion, rules should always be as precise as possible.

Flibo

14/02/2010 23:58(edited 14/02/2010 23:59)

Originally posted by NeMiQ22
OK fellas.

But Flibo unwritten rule is unwritten and that means it's not in rules so it's like legal. I think it would be better to add that door and drop weapon thing to rules to avoid future problems with newcomers which are not familiar with all unwritten background stuff.

In XJ, unwritten rules are as worthy as written rules :|

I do agree that these things should be added to the rules.

Pulsar!15/02/2010 01:14

Originally posted by WeMeRA:PpPP
Originally posted by Pulsar!
Your idea is against this rule:

[blockquote]You are not allowed to use any metamod-plugins that would give you an advantage to other jumpers.[/blockquote]

He's not talking about plugins? wtf retard alert

Originally posted by NeMiQ22
2. What about dropping gun on the bhop block; teleport to the start timer and..

Punk^15/02/2010 01:38

Originally posted by Pulsar!
Originally posted by WeMeRA:PpPP
Originally posted by Pulsar!
Your idea is against this rule:

[blockquote]You are not allowed to use any metamod-plugins that would give you an advantage to other jumpers.[/blockquote]

He's not talking about plugins? wtf retard alert

Originally posted by NeMiQ22
2. What about dropping gun on the bhop block; teleport to the start timer and..

.......
Wouldn't matter if he ran back to the timer or if he gochecked, would it?

Pulsar!15/02/2010 03:18(edited 15/02/2010 03:19)

If he gocheked he could start the timer before his USP moves the block..

lonewolf 15/02/2010 05:00

Originally posted by Pulsar!
If he gocheked he could start the timer before his USP moves the block..

I thought in doing it 1 year ago
can make clintmo_bhopwarehouse very beatable for exemple!

DiDo-G

15/02/2010 13:58

lol why even do u ask about this..

Flibo

15/02/2010 16:36

Originally posted by Pulsar!
Originally posted by WeMeRA:PpPP
Originally posted by Pulsar!
Your idea is against this rule:

[blockquote]You are not allowed to use any metamod-plugins that would give you an advantage to other jumpers.[/blockquote]

He's not talking about plugins? wtf retard alert

Originally posted by NeMiQ22
2. What about dropping gun on the bhop block; teleport to the start timer and..

Meh, obviously it's allowed to use gochecks before starting the timer.

chrizZo15/02/2010 17:43

I adviced faker to formulate the rules again, he was busy.

I think the final version of this rule would look like this:
The recorded map has to be in its original condition when the start timer is activated. Before starting the timer, any action that could be an advantage during the world record run is not allowed. Advantageous actions like dropping a weapon, using an AMXX mod plugin or opening a door are not allowed to be used before starting the timer!

Punk^15/02/2010 22:10

Originally posted by chrizZo
I adviced faker to formulate the rules again, he was busy.

I think the final version of this rule would look like this:
The recorded map has to be in its original condition when the start timer is activated. Before starting the timer, any action that could be an advantage during the world record run is not allowed. Advantageous actions like dropping a weapon, using an AMXX mod plugin or opening a door are not allowed to be used before starting the timer!

Well done :)

NeMiQ2216/02/2010 00:17(edited 16/02/2010 00:20)

Originally posted by DiDo-G
lol why even do u ask about this..

Mr. Wiseman it's not in the rules so why not? Nobody knows all the unwritten rules and their exact definition and meaning so it would be the best to officialize them.

chrizZo: It's good but then you won't be able to use hook or gocheck to move to HP booster, timer or place from you want to start (like in xtremeblock).

This may be challenge to define fine rules for this.

Punk^16/02/2010 01:48

Originally posted by NeMiQ22
Originally posted by DiDo-G
lol why even do u ask about this..

Mr. Wiseman it's not in the rules so why not? Nobody knows all the unwritten rules and their exact definition and meaning so it would be the best to officialize them.

chrizZo: It's good but then you won't be able to use hook or gocheck to move to HP booster, timer or place from you want to start (like in xtremeblock).

This may be challenge to define fine rules for this.

Using hook or gocheck in a map like xtremeblock won't be advantageous since it's possible to get there without hook or gocheck anyways.

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