Maps and adding some [-sc] [+sc]
So, probably some have thought about it, maybe even a thread was made, but I want to ask or even propose the following ideia:
Why not add some [-sc] [+sc] to some maps.
Maps like cg_industry; risk_compound; kzse_bhopblock and many more.
Why? Well, because maps that could have such a brilliant run, amazing combos could be made, pro records could be set, were completely obliterated by this shorcut who turned a 2 min + map into a 10 second map.
In my opinion, if you wanna keep it that way, atleast make those maps have two different records. One with that cool shortcut and another without that shortcut.
Thoughts? Bad ideia, good ideia? ;)
Great topic! That idea came to my mind before some time. There are more maps that are ruined by such scs. They should have two sections, too. :)
awesome idea! espesialy want to look a record on kzse_bhopblock, it's one one of my favorit maps and it destroyed with sc, so I vote yes xD if we vote ofc))
11/07/2011 22:37Old idea, but still great.
I thought about why the SCs on clintmo_longjumper was removed, and if I remember right that was because you dont jump the actual map by doing those.
BUT(!) the same goes for those: kz_man_bhopocean, kz_man_bhopsnow, kz_man_bhopdesert, kz_kzfr_bhopspace. You're not jumping through the map in these WRs and those SCs should be removed just like clintmo_longjumper 256 ones, or the longjumper ones should be allowed...
I suck at explaining thats why the text is a mess, but hope u get it anyways :D
11/07/2011 22:45(edited 11/07/2011 22:47)nono :) xj shouldn't remove theese maps :) Because okay its one jump and you say its nothing and easy and pointless. But if you will try get better time you will see isnt so easy. By the way xj shouldnt remove it cuz its pos to add -sc on this 0 secs maps too :) And anyway i have wrs all theese maps and i was geeked a lot of time so isnt a great idea :)
No Skizo_ , you didn´t understand my point.
I´m not saying REMOVE THEM, I´m talking about spliting the map into two different WR`s. One with the shortcut, the other without.
Kinda like fairyisland :)
11/07/2011 22:48(edited 11/07/2011 22:49)ye for sure i havent problem with YOUR idea , just kayne's was not so likeable for me :) But i accept your idea, why not put [-sc] on theese bhopspace, bhopocean bhopsnow and bhopdesert :) i absolutely accept this idea :)
Great Idea. But im to 99% sure it wont be implemented
Great Idea.
I made a post some time ago and many probably have before me but this is how juuleh responded [blockquote]This has been suggested and debated several times, and it has been decided not to implement records that requires you to finish the map without certain shortcuts.
We will inform you if our stand on the case changes.
Closed...[/blockquote]
Oh... That´s sad. Would give those maps a chance for a full run and a more impressive one.
Because to be honest, watching the shortcut in industry or compound just makes it boring to watch. In my opinion atleast.
Ah well, I just had to suggest it. ^^
12/07/2011 01:08Originally posted by Skizo_ye for sure i havent problem with YOUR idea , just kayne's was not so likeable for me :) But i accept your idea, why not put [-sc] on theese bhopspace, bhopocean bhopsnow and bhopdesert :) i absolutely accept this idea :)
Of course you dont like the idea when you are the record holder, but still you arent doing the map in the way it should be done, like this clintmo_longjumper back when the 256-sc was allowed.
Nothing personal but these maps arent based on skill, just geeking and skill.
I think the admins should consider forbidding these AXN-scs, they are exactly like the sc on clintmo_longjumper, you skip the whole map by doing it and you dont need to jump one single block that are supposed to be jumped on.
I want gigablock and wallblock no sc :S
13/07/2011 14:43Dont think that would be done. That question comes up from time to time. There are several threads about that, search for them to see how such discussions went. Its literally same story again...
basically there are 2 big problems witch stand against it...
1. Almost every map has shortcuts and skips. Shortcut still differs from alternate route. Im pretty sure there is no easy fair(!) way to distinguish, witch sc deserves its own route in record list and witch doesnt.
2. Many maps have more than one sc... same industry or compound could be done in various ways. What about those shortcuts?
It would be nice if there was a way fairly sort out shortcuts (witch actually could be treated as alternate route), but I don't see solution for that
spr1n
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Discussed 10 times in the history of XJ and still the same answer. Won't happen.
Alternative demos only for different courses - not shortcuts.