Astral Projection
06/08/2011 01:53Hello guys.
I've been very interested in Astral Projection lately, after I watched the movie "Insidious" and I'd like to see what's your opinion about this. First of all I'd like to say, that Astral Projection is absolutely possible and it could be done by anyone. It's also known as out-of-body experience(OOBE), and there're bunch of interesting techniques for its performance. It is completely real and lots of people have had this amazing experience, in most cases it even happens unconsciously. You can find loads of information about this subject in google, with all the details and tips how to practice it. I've been practicing for couple of days now, and I could reach the vibrational state several times, but then it's getting pretty hard for me to stay calmed and relaxed, which is the most important thing.
Here you go some main information to start with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection
So guys, have you ever heard about this? Or perhaps it has happened to some of you? If you're interested in trying this, please feel free to share your attempts with us.
hey man,
first, I didn't know that this was called astral projection, but after reading wikipedia, i found out that lucid dreaming is directly linked with astral projection. Btw, alice in wonderland come from a lucid dream of it's writter.
So, to share my experience, like a year ago I started trying to get on lucid dreaming, which is a form of astral projection, read more here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dreaming
So yeah, there is a very detailed process to start learning how to keep being aware when you are sleeping, as you mentioned it goes through being very relaxed and calm before anything else. Also, it may be easier for you to master it if you're doing "reality checks" very often. A reality check is like softly hurting urself (like giving yourself a very soft slap anywhere) to see if you feel it, and if it does something normal (no diformation or whatever strange things) to you. Once you do it quite often in awake state, you'll slowly start to do it in your dreams, and if you reach the aware state in a dream, you'll notice that either something will be wrong (like you don't have enough fingers or any detail, no logic at all in everything) either you don't feel it, that's where being aware of your dream begins. Once you are aware, you can do any kind of things you want if you master it, start by maybe flying or idk (been a long time for me though..). I found that concept very interessting, because, basically you can do whatever you want, even testing some situations, but don't get me wrong, what you'll see won't be the right way any time, don't forget that dreaming is in your brain, and your subconscient, so if you really want something to work in your dream, it drastically will. Anyway, enough about explanations.
I experienced it quite a few times, and I find it awesome, doing whatever you want. But I personnally noticed that I was much more exhausted when I woke up than if it was not lucid, I think it may be caused by the fact that your brain is still working a lot (imagination and stuff like that) while doing so.
long story short, I love that we are able to achieve such things, that's just awesome, because feelings are there while dreaming, fear, happyness, etc. Also, if you want it to stop, just jump from a building or something, you'll feel afraid of dying during the whole jump, but at the second you'd hit the ground, you'll just wake up, probably sweating, and still being a little upset, but it will stop.
A last but not least point, these aware dreams can happen EVEN if you didn't plan it to happen, if you don't even know anything about lucid dreaming, sometimes it just happens for no reason, the difference is that when YOU caused it to be lucid, you can do whatever you want, decide of it and of it's consequence 100% of the time. If you didn't cause it, a lot of times you will just be a spectator of what is happening, you won't be able to change the course of the events.
Thanks to anyone who took time to read this very long post, and good luck trying, seriously it's worth it.
How to lucid dream video (seriously it looks funny, but helped me A DAMN LOT !!) http://www.howcast.com/videos/35924-How-To-Lucid-Dream
06/08/2011 02:38(edited 06/08/2011 02:40)Hey man, I'm very glad to see there're people in here that also are interested in such things, just like I am. Have you ever tried to think about your own room while you're having a Lucid dream? Because that's the exact way to pass into Astral Projection from a Lucid dream. After thinking about this, you'll find yourself floating in the ceiling, and you'll be able to see yourself sleeping from above. You should definitely try this, if you haven't!
I'd really like to experience an Astral Projection, and I'll do my best for this to happen. I'll definitely emphasize on Lucid dreams!
The maximum that can be achieved from this - it's almost realistic sleep that you can manage.
Sleep paralysis
During REM sleep the body paralyzes itself as a protection mechanism to prevent the movements that occur in the dream from causing the physical body to move. However, this mechanism can be triggered before, during, or after normal sleep while the brain awakens. This can lead to a state where the awakened sleeper feels paralyzed. Hypnagogic hallucination may occur in this state, especially auditory ones. Effects of sleep paralysis include heaviness or inability to move the muscles, rushing or pulsating noises, and brief hypnogogic or hypnopompic imagery. Experiencing sleep paralysis is a necessary part of WILD, in which dreamers essentially detach their "dream" body from the paralyzed one.
I felt this REM state a few times, pretty cool you are awake and you can't move your body :))
@niki lol i'd rather be afraid.. I did not have this thing before reaching a few lucid dreams :/.. Thank you for these informations though :)
@shnz : Of course I will ! I'm just a bit rusty about all this, because it's very long from now since I was able to do that :D But I believe I already saw myself sleeping, was it an astral projection or just a picture drawn in a dream ? I don't know really :) Definetely gonna try it out !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogic_hallucination
Consciousness cannot exist without matter. The so-called "astral projection" takes place inside your head. What I find interesting is the technique itself. It's pretty much mimicking meditation with a very important exception- you have to lay down. Why is that? Well, in meditation, you have to avoid any sleeping positions in order to avoid falling asleep. The astral projection technique is, obviously, designed to artificially stimulate a REM-like sleep state.
Astral projection has the potential to reveal enormous information about your subconscious mind, but so does "regular" dreaming. It's quite useful given the truly enormous processing power of the subconscious. However, you have to stay conscious of the reality of the experience- it's not about the external world, it's all about you.
Dream analysis is very popular when it comes to psychotherapy because it reveals a lot about the things that you understand unconsciously, yet refuse to acknowledge consciously. Dreams may seem both very real and extremely abstract because they "speak" through emotional patterns and associations. You seem like a very introvert guy, so you might find it easier to read the cues provided by dreams.
P.S. Insidious was a pretty good movie!:-P
06/08/2011 12:44(edited 06/08/2011 13:04)Thinking it was bullshit, I tried this with friends when I was 16: there are special relaxation techniques to make that happen and we tried alone, for like a whole week every night.
I succeeded once, it really freaked me out, it didn't last long but it was enough to be scary.
I never really talked about it after that, most of the people don't believe it =)
If you want more details, just ask
well,would like to try it but too scary :0
//add: if someone did it,please,feel free to share your method :)
well, it can be scary, but it can be cool too. I remember the first time I reached this kind of state (well, i'm still talking about lucid dreaming but I believe this is very similar to astral projection.) I found myself into a civil war or something, and was being chased by some people that wanted to kill me. So yeah, my first experience was scary as hell, dude, I really felt the fear, adrenalin and stuff like that. It ended by me running to the top of a building, and jumping from it, like suicide you know.. This is where I learned that dying in your dream awake you and stop it..
Even if it can be scary, it worth a try at least once.
06/08/2011 15:10(edited 06/08/2011 15:28)Originally posted by nikiSleep paralysis
During REM sleep the body paralyzes itself as a protection mechanism to prevent the movements that occur in the dream from causing the physical body to move. However, this mechanism can be triggered before, during, or after normal sleep while the brain awakens. This can lead to a state where the awakened sleeper feels paralyzed. Hypnagogic hallucination may occur in this state, especially auditory ones. Effects of sleep paralysis include heaviness or inability to move the muscles, rushing or pulsating noises, and brief hypnogogic or hypnopompic imagery. Experiencing sleep paralysis is a necessary part of WILD, in which dreamers essentially detach their "dream" body from the paralyzed one.
I felt this REM state a few times, pretty cool you are awake and you can't move your body :))
Means you were very close to have an Astral Projection. The only thing you should've done is to pull yourself out of your body, which unfortunately is the most difficult part for me, so far.
Go ahead and try again, you're close!
Originally posted by maximaLz@niki lol i'd rather be afraid.. I did not have this thing before reaching a few lucid dreams :/.. Thank you for these informations though :)
@shnz : Of course I will ! I'm just a bit rusty about all this, because it's very long from now since I was able to do that :D But I believe I already saw myself sleeping, was it an astral projection or just a picture drawn in a dream ? I don't know really :) Definetely gonna try it out !
Well you should probably ask ndR about this, but I've heard that when you actually experience an Astral Projection, there won't be any doubt in your mind about did it happen or no. It's much more relaistic than any imaginations.
Originally posted by st0kahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogic_hallucination
Consciousness cannot exist without matter. The so-called "astral projection" takes place inside your head. What I find interesting is the technique itself. It's pretty much mimicking meditation with a very important exception- you have to lay down. Why is that? Well, in meditation, you have to avoid any sleeping positions in order to avoid falling asleep. The astral projection technique is, obviously, designed to artificially stimulate a REM-like sleep state.
Astral projection has the potential to reveal enormous information about your subconscious mind, but so does "regular" dreaming. It's quite useful given the truly enormous processing power of the subconscious. However, you have to stay conscious of the reality of the experience- it's not about the external world, it's all about you.
Dream analysis is very popular when it comes to psychotherapy because it reveals a lot about the things that you understand unconsciously, yet refuse to acknowledge consciously. Dreams may seem both very real and extremely abstract because they "speak" through emotional patterns and associations. You seem like a very introvert guy, so you might find it easier to read the cues provided by dreams.
P.S. Insidious was a pretty good movie!:-P
Very interesting thing is, that for years everytime I fall asleep I'm dreaming. I've had so many different dreams, some of them completely illogical and bizarre: Dreams in which I'm dying, in which I fall inlove with a strange woman; in which I've been haunted by some kind of a monster; in which I'm flying; fighting; the end of the world dream; even KZ dreams haha :D and many others, some of them are just related with unthinkable places. Ten years ago I had a dream in which I'm in a huge toy store, and like an year ago it repeated in absolutely same way. Such a deja vu...
Anyway, I've been dreaming a lot for years and at first I didn't pay any attention to it, I just took it for something which is fun, and that's it. But lately I've been very interested in all this, so everytime when I have a strange dream, after waking up I immediately check on the internet what its meaning might be. Something like analysis indeed, but less thorough. And I realized that subconsciousness is something very important for every person, and our thoughts(every single one) are somehow connected among themselves. Which makes me think, that they are like a system built by our life experience and events, that's why every individual has it own, unique worldview and way of thinking.
Originally posted by ndRThinking it was bullshit, I tried this with friends when I was 16: there are special relaxation techniques to make that happen and we tried alone, for like a whole week every night.
I succeeded once, it really freaked me out, it didn't last long but it was enough to be scary.
I never really talked about it after that, most of the people don't believe it =)
If you want more details, just ask
Hey ndR, it is very nice to see there's someone that actually had this wonderful experience.
If I start asking you with all the details, you'd probably have to give me permanent ban, so I'll just ask a few things. :D
1. When you reached the vibrational state, what was your way to actually pull yourself out of your body. I mean, what were you thinking about? Were you trying to visualise the whole proces or what?
2. How does it feel when you succeed in this? How do you realize that you're out of your body? You just open your eyes and see yourself sleeping or what? And is it very realistic?
Originally posted by Nukkwell,would like to try it but too scary :0
//add: if someone did it,please,feel free to share your method :)
One of the main obstacles for successful Astral Projecting is the fear. You simply must overcome the fear, otherwise you won't be able to experience it. You see, it's our thoughts that makes this happen! You must be willing to have this experience with every cell of your body and brain. So you gotta think about it in positive way only! You can't cheat your consciousness, so you really must realize that there's nothing to be afraid of. Just ask yourself what exactly you are afraid of and why. Just read some stuff on the internet more particularly, you'll see that Astral Projection is actually very useful thing! It won't cause any damage to your physical body or any damage at all.
Good luck man.
I experienced sleep paralysis lots of times and it's always been a very unpleasant state of mind. It's like being trapped between sleeping and being awake, your body is sleeping but you perceive everything around you. Yet you can't move or speak. The worst part is probably breathing, as in this state your autonomous respiratory center already takes control over it and it feels really strange not to be able to inspire/exspire deliberately.
I know it can't be called astral travel, but sometimes when I'm a bit sleepy and listen to music for like 15 minutes with my eyes closed, my mind switches to alpha waves and synchronizes with the music. Ofc it can't be shallow music, I'd say the more levels it has the better. For this I recommend The Deepspace (part 1,2,3) from neuropunk.ru gold edition. I believe psytrance would do as well but I don't like it anyway. I've also had some out of body experiences with salvia divinorum, shrooms or lsd as they act as catalysts for mind travel, but they're not a necessity, rather a help to induce this phenomenon.
so,i read a couple of things @google.sounds like sleep tbh.you lay down on the couch,realaxing,imagine yourself from the side,okay after some time we see "astral projection".if im right,if imagine something at bedtime,then you will see it during sleeping.maybe it looks realistically but its not astral projection.
^^ MY OPINION,NEED FACTS <3
06/08/2011 16:10I'm at work on my phone so you won't get a long answer (yet) shnz.
It was 6 years ago and i dont remember all the details but it basi ally consists of layin down on your bed, no light all, no noise at all. You have to start with breathing exercices to reach a high state of relaxation.
Then you have to visualize things, the one I remember is the final one, which make you go out of your body: you gotta imaginr yourself laying on a white sand beach and a calm and soft water wave progressively going upward.
When it happens, you feel really at ease, you don't really realize, you feel like you re still in your bed until you open your eyes and see the eilling way closer than usual, you look on your sides and you realize you re in the air in the same position as your body. I turnef back and saw myself, this is when I started to panic, I shouted to call my brother but ofc no one heard me.
Gotta come back to work, youll have the end tonight ^^
07/08/2011 19:08ndR i sh*t in my pants when I read this LOL
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