Puzzle map (fresh ideas)

Hello everyone.

So, I was thinking of new and creative ways to make future kz maps, when I suddenly came up with the idea to use hostages as a part of the whole map journey.

If you have played Ocarina of Time, you will then understand what I mean. There is a temple called Fire Temple, where you need to find and free the Gorons.
So the idea is basically the same, find and rescue the hostages (they should be behind locked doors with timers).
Then use them to push on top of a button (func_door that slides down like a bhop block) that triggers a door to open and you can go to the next stage. The door should close again if no one is standing on top of it.

Here is a detailed picture I made with paint for those who didn't quite understand the idea:
http://oi47.tinypic.com/3h8pv.jpg

I am not 100% certain that it's possible to make in VHE, but damn if it is, then it would be amazing.

If the button thing is not possible to make in VHE, you could still use the same idea with the hostages. You rescue them behind locked doors/cells and use them to reach blocks you normally wouldn't be able to without. Maybe even use them to make a path and jump on their head etc.

Ps: Don't even think about multiplayer, because it wouldn't work then. Some douche could easily kill a hostage just to screw the map.


So what do you think?

Neat idea and its possible to build but it wont work in multiplayer. Such things only work in kzmod *caugh* :P

every reasonable (and possible) kreedz-related gameplay piece you can imagine can be made without hostages (and it'd be easier and better way to make it). and your example is no exception ;)

why would you use a hostage on your map if you can get exactly same puzzle without it?

think of it this way: you want to simulate 2man climbing. but 2man climbing is all about boosts and time management. so you use hostage as moving block? func_wall_toggle/func_door/func_train etc. want to keep something pressed? just use timers(delays) or trigger_relay.

You could also use different movable objects to press the buttons. They could also be pushed by gravity or trigger_push.

I'm also a fan of puzzle maps but in multiplayer kz it's a bit questionable

there is some potential indeed. but it needs skilled and motivated mapper and tons of work. feels like a dream ;)

This is a really good idea! I've actually tried to make a map with the same premise before, but the major pitfall I encountered is that the round automatically restarts once the round timer goes to zero, giving the message "hostages have not been rescued." The highest you can set mp_roundtime is 9 minutes, so the map will have to be beatable within 9 minutes. Unfortunately, I never found a way to fix this problem, and I don't think it can be fixed without making a plugin. Good luck with your map though if you decide to make it!

Originally posted by Mathzz

Oh no, I totally forgot about the time. Aww :-(
I am not a mapper myself, I just play around with VHE. I just wanted to share my idea here, for others who have more experience to maybe find inspiration. :-)

You would need to add the hostage model as a "normal" model and trigger animations to bypass the round time problem. Not sure how and if this work at goldsource. Havent mapped for 1.6 in ages, but it will definately need a lot of rather complicated entity work.

For me that sounds like this pyramid in
Alien vs. Predator.
Where´s also moving step by step.
I think that isn´t the biggest problem to map.
Use trigger_multiple to activate func_doors.