leggie's monthly challenge discussion

Let me start off by saying I obviously did not come up with leggie’s monthly challenge, do not supply the generous prize money every month that leggie puts up for grabs, and ultimately don’t decide what leggie decides to do with said money. However, the recent monthly challenge newspost and small discussion/thoughts from a few community members got me thinking about some potential new and better ideas. Leggie (or even XJ staff), I trust you’ll give my post some consideration with an open-mind and not quickly dismiss it. If nothing else, I hope this thread will spark some interesting discussion about things we the community can do to increase activity.

When the monthly challenge was first announced, I’m sure it got a lot of people pretty hyped for some fierce competition and had people eagerly awaiting the comebacks of former top players to duke it out with the new (or old depending on how you look at it) players. At least that was my hope, and for the first few challenges we did see some form of competition in the likes of Toffifee/kSiunkaS/LEWLY. It wasn’t what we all expected, but at least it was something. But things kind of died down, players went inactive again, and one player (excluding shNz for mountez) continued to scoop up the monthly prize with zero contention.

I want to believe that some of the main reasons for this challenge were to increase activity among the recorders, give the viewer’s something to look forward to every month (demo, movie), and for leggie to give back a little something to the community he loves (?). And don’t get me wrong, it definitely delivers on a few of these. But I think something can fulfill all of these a bit better; monthly cups. I think monthly cups would be the way to go, similar to how the Quake community hosts Duel cups every Sunday with a small prize pool. People love watching things live, and I think Kreedz is no exception. No matter if you’re an old player or a new one, it is still quite entertaining. People like DeathClaw or LEWLY get an average of 20-80~ concurrent viewers watching their streams. That’s just them in their LAN, with some music or skype on, recording in hopes for teh urn. Oddly enough, it’s still entertaining especially if the chat is being lively and interactive with each other. Now imagine if there’s a scheduled cup every month, with notable player sign-ups, maps, etc, all revealed beforehand. Sure it might not be some crazy number of viewers, but it will be relatively decent for Kreedz. I’m really racking my brain right now trying to figure out how this approach would not bring more activity towards the scene in comparison to how things are currently transpiring.

One last thing I want to touch on regarding cups. Cups are a peculiar thing in where your above average player that isn’t quite at the top yet can come in and totally dismantle established players. These players could end up becoming the next great jumper, build up a new following, and have people rooting for the underdog every month. What’s great is the $50 is just enough incentive to get people to sign up and give it a shot. After all, they only have to show up for say one weekend out of the entire month to try their ‘luck’. However, players who spend the time learning and training the maps in the week(s) before the cup will have the clear advantage going into it. This seems like a win/win for the casual player who spends whatever time he has in pubs, or someone like an active recorder who would want to put more effort into it.

Anyway, there are a million more things I could talk about but I’ll wait for some more posts and any input anyone has. Of course, this is just a simple proposal towards mainly leggie or any other community member who wants to step up. It could end up going nowhere or take off into something big depending on much effort and thought we want to put into it. If people are interested we can hammer out the specifics (sign-ups, maps, times, and how everything else would all work at a later time (I have ideas).

TL:DR – I think the current version of leggie’s challenge has grown stale and didn’t come through on what was initially expected or hoped for. I propose a new idea of monthly cups and incorporate streaming into it in hopes to boost general activity and to give the players/viewers something more grand and exciting to look forward to every month.

I agree with you.Cups are very interesting, you are all on fire and focused against your enemies.I thought also may be if we have something like "CHALLENGE HOUR" i mean for example faker writes a newpost at 12.00 and there is 1 map : bkz_goldbhop. You should record it until 13.01 and the best demo will get points, vip or something like this, so we will have 1 hours, lewly can be offline, i can be on and win the challenge, what a surprise huh?So i think this will bring some activity to the site and we will stay alert :) so many ideas can be told, just we should use our creativity to help with good ideas. :)

Also i heard 1 idea, i dont want to steal it but just to put it here.Something like world championship bout kreedz.There will be national country teams(Bulgaria,Germany,Sweden etc.) There will be 5 of the best jumpers in the country at this time.There will be groups A,B,C,D..... playing matches 1vs1 taking points etc. etc, you know what i mean :) big project

P.S. before some1 makes fun of me with my english, yea i know its bad :D

Cups + getting the stream up here http://speedrunslive.com/
A stream there can start with 5views and end up with a hundred later without a problem, for everyone is there for one thing, watching speedruns. And what makes speedrunning more entertaining?
A speedrun duel.. sort of..

Originally posted by leggie

due to all the recent "trash talk" towards the challenge i've actually being thinking about stopping it, i like the incentive of people suggesting new thing's but if you do a points tournament like a prochallenge thing, who will win? lewly. if the best players show up to the cups who's most likely going to win? lewly. there's only 2 ways that he won't win most of any sort of challenge, if he's not allowed to be part of it (which is unfair) or if the challenge had nothing to do with jumping....

i mean the cup idea is cool and all but people have an equal chance of recording a demo compared to beating him in a cup...i've even tried to pick maps he hates so it will lower his fight for it... it's not mine/lewlys/xjs fault that nobody else is even attempting to beat them anymore....

no i didn't mean you we're trash talking it, i meant alot of the comments on it, and for the cups i may have mistyped that or you misread, but my point was if people get pinned in a cup with lewly why wont they have the same view as going up against him recording? that was my point :p.

Years ago it was interesting to play cups even for getting VIP , I imagine if there is a prize of 50 $ ... It will be good , I don't get it why leggie is so sure about LEWLY ? Cups are only 5 minutes dude... everything could happen ... He can fail for example ?

If leggie instead of picking one map, picked three/five maps, and letting a public vote decide which run deserves the dollar the most, it would atleast give other climbers hope that maybe their style or creativity would be enough to get the nod.

cool idea and all scary but people will just vote for their friends/who the like the most

Originally posted by N3M0N

Originally posted by leggie

cool idea and all scary but people will just vote for their friends/who the like the most

Yea, but that doesn't mean much...

I hate that kz has come to this, when real life money plays a part in the competition.
Especially now when the anti-hack tools and democheckers are not able to bust the so called "undetectable hacks". Those who possess the hacks could more than easily use them for their advantage to get some easy cash out of it.