kz_facility raped

Started by trb
27/07/2007 08:09
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trb28/08/2007 19:38

4 the "263 is senseless" and "263 is impossible" talkers :)

1. why u know 263 is impossible, only because the actual record with cj is 260? :P

2.


u can do it also from top with bhop then u can jump off a bit earlier and skip one jump (the one near edge)

but who knows, 260 cj was done so maybe it would be doable also with cj there :E

TROUbl3m4k3R


http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6917/23867895uv3.jpg
u can jumpoff a bit earlier as on normal way and save some milliseconds.
shit on milliseconds? i think not. 29.9seconds are 29seconds on counter. 30.0 seconds are 30 seconds on counter. so some milliseconds can give u 1 second in counter ;)

and 263 bhop from higher position isn't that hard. it's just a bit lucky. think on the 260bhop lj from higher on kzno_longjumps. when u hit perfectly the edge of block where u bhop, u don't rly need much strafes (i would bet with rly perfect bhop jumpoff u would need no strafes after the bhop for the 260 bhop from higher in kzno_longjumps) in air after the bhop. Test it :P

puppetz mapper28/08/2007 21:00

Troublemaker, can you make a demo with a 263 bhop with dropdown? (maybe on Chrizzy's cj_26x map)
And about those miliseconds, I don't really think it would help to do a 263 (!) bhop for those, you already might loose some on doubleducks, wrong transitions, and such things. :/

trb29/08/2007 07:11

well i'm bad in bhop longjumps @ "hit the perfect bhop jumpoff"
it will take me for sure about 20 minutes to luck such a jumpoff.
but i spent ones some minutes for the 260 on kzno_longjumps in this style.
http://rapidshare.com/files/51967566/kzno_longjumps_260.dem.html
U see there 1. the boost which u become.
2. i only strafed ~half time in air after the bhop jumpoff.

3. So u see that 263 should be RLY NOT impossible to get and thats the point that we have to know.

and yes for myself, when i would play facility, i would never try something like that in a run :D
it's still, it should be possible and all which should be possible can be helpful.
anyway with "bhop it" instead of cj (i bet cj 263 is possible because atm right the offivial rec on kz_lj is 260. but cj is new compared with lj and therefore not that much month practised. so i bet this recs will be improoved some days) then it would be help only few milliseconds.

but a few milliseconds are a few milliseconds don't matter if "too hard, lucky" in a run. In streetclimp they posted also "both sc's, ladder and the one near end compared in a run is too hard. anyway, someone did it both compared in a run.

It's also not meaned someone have to do that all.
It's only we had some boring minutes in facility and looked for some new sc's.
We both knew this 263 is not easy (but not all sc's are easy ^^) but we both bet that it is not impossible (also when we didn't see any 263 bhop from higher or 263 cj demo)

It's just to show that there is also a jump which must be possible and would be a shortcut :)

well i think it's like lolly said


And that sc gives "hard to do in a run" a whole new meaning :)

lolly

because the hardnessfactor (cj) or the luckfactor(bhopfromhigher) are not comparable with the timeimprovement u get. so it is not that efficient as other sc's but it will still improve some time so it would be an sc anyway ;)
[ Edited 08/29/07 - 07:21:14 ]

colix mapper29/08/2007 10:20

263 is definately not impossible.
if u cant belive it, check this out ;)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/bk3tpt

puppetz mapper29/08/2007 10:41

well i'm bad in bhop longjumps @ "hit the perfect bhop jumpoff"
it will take me for sure about 20 minutes to luck such a jumpoff.
but i spent ones some minutes for the 260 on kzno_longjumps in this style.
http://rapidshare.com/files/51967566/kzno_longjumps_260.dem.html
U see there 1. the boost which u become.
2. i only strafed ~half time in air after the bhop jumpoff.

3. So u see that 263 should be RLY NOT impossible to get and thats the point that we have to know.

and yes for myself, when i would play facility, i would never try something like that in a run :D
it's still, it should be possible and all which should be possible can be helpful.
anyway with "bhop it" instead of cj (i bet cj 263 is possible because atm right the offivial rec on kz_lj is 260. but cj is new compared with lj and therefore not that much month practised. so i bet this recs will be improoved some days) then it would be help only few milliseconds.

but a few milliseconds are a few milliseconds don't matter if "too hard, lucky" in a run. In streetclimp they posted also "both sc's, ladder and the one near end compared in a run is too hard. anyway, someone did it both compared in a run.

It's also not meaned someone have to do that all.
It's only we had some boring minutes in facility and looked for some new sc's.
We both knew this 263 is not easy (but not all sc's are easy ^^) but we both bet that it is not impossible (also when we didn't see any 263 bhop from higher or 263 cj demo)

It's just to show that there is also a jump which must be possible and would be a shortcut :)

well i think it's like lolly said

Originally posted by lolly
And that sc gives "hard to do in a run" a whole new meaning :)

TROUbl3m4k3R

because the hardnessfactor (cj) or the luckfactor(bhopfromhigher) are not comparable with the timeimprovement u get. so it is not that efficient as other sc's but it will still improve some time so it would be an sc anyway ;)


Yes, now we're talking. All very true. I might have a feeling that it could be just as fast to jump off earlier, and strafe more to get to the box you normally bhop from to the other, though. And if you even made that 263 bhop in a run I guess you would sit down a bit 'cause you didn't believe you just did that in a run ^^ But yea, in a short map like this, everything counts.

trb29/08/2007 12:03

hehe yes :D
that can be when u would get the 263 with a bhop then u rest around 10 seconds because u are that happy and can't believe it :D



btw nice demo colix :)
i put the link in first post for this example ;)
[ Edited 08/29/07 - 12:04:50 ]

st0ka30/08/2007 14:41

lol it's not that hard (the dropdown sc) i didn't even hit the exact corner -> http://www.sendspace.com/file/w3vrzd but combined with the other SCs this one done in a run will be uber :)

M3X04/09/2007 12:24

yeaah!! IT´S crazy... GJ :)

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