Valve's next insane step: New beta with
Originally posted by xellsysit is true that valve deleted faker's post...
did they do it without any commentary?!?!
i don't want to bellieve they just delete it and pretend there never was a post. thats ridiculous...
They deleted fakers posts. They deleted fakers thread. They deleted fakers account. They don't care about 200.000+ users. They are looking forward with slowdown features. They are making it really bugged. They fucked up step sound system. They are planing to remove doubleduck permanently. Professional players disapprove what they are doing (valve doesn't care). N00b players / stupid kids (like Bibo) approve what valve are doing (and valve really like it).
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Originally posted by Oddi^NumB, very good :) But I personally think kz should be playable without plugins.. It's very sad that they will make the doubleduck slowdown.. But I will def. use your plugin on my server for kzing when/if you release it :) Thank you!
And you'r right - kz wont support this plugin.
Originally posted by CretuNUMB saves the day .
If valve will continue with the update its very simple and LEGAT what we will do . Use numb`s plugin :D
OR
MAYBE someone here will realease a PATCH that will rollback the update. Take the .exe file , install it in you`r cs and you have the old movement. Simple as that .
It will be xj admins decision (and probably the hardest one they ever had made)
Still we have to fight for ourselfs. Don't let people suggest cvars / delays / doubleduck countdown. Only right solution is a sound. And only 4 people ever suggested it... ONLY 4! What on earth is wrong with you, community. Cvar = illegal setting (xj not supported). Delay/countdown = still will ruin kz and still wr's will have to be reseted!
And now it's to late to suggest it again, cuz valve ignores us. Now only solution is to get attention of some powerfull CS shooting community and suggest that they will write sound on doubleduck suggestion. But do you know any powerful shooting community? - I don't. If you do - please contact them, so they will suggest valve once again to remove delay and add doubleduck sound.
P.S. Shame on you guys... I wrote before that only way to fix it all is to add a stepsound, but only 4 people heard me... So we had a chance so save kz (a big chance). And we lost it cuz of bad solution suggestions what ended up in a flood... The weird thing is that I thought that it will happen like this from the start, but still had some hope that you understand why I'm saying NO CVARS, NO DELAY, NO COUNTDOWN, ONLY ADD DOUBLEDUCK SOUND ON HIGH HORIZONTAL SPEED. But no... Now it's too late...
If by some miracle Valve will remove the slowdown (than thank god), but please next time think more what hl-engine knower's are suggestion and if you don't understand why they are suggesting it - ask them and they will answer. Please... But really I think now it's too late for everything. I'm already starting to move back to cs1.5 where everything was much more simple and no developers don't control anything...
However I still wont quit kz, cuz this is 'my home', this is a place where I have a voice. This is a place where I control my player. This is where I'm taking part in the scene. This is where I feel better. And nothing nohow nowhen will change that! If valve thinks they are cool - bring it on! I'll make the same fix, only better and faster. And I'll remove their fix the same moment when they release it! Valve will always be much steps behind me and it will never change! And not only me - all us, cuz together we are strong and nomather how hard who will try - it's not gonna change!
Now let's try for the last time to get kz saved! Let's post again how this slowdown fucks the game and how easy it will be for them just to add a sound! Who's with me!?
doublepost... sry..
faker's thread where a lot of people posted breathtaking stuff got deleted so i just messaged the steam support and you shuld do the same imo.
when i read the whole thread with all the pages, i noticed that even regular cs players dont like the new beta. so what the fuck, valve doesnt care even for reg cs players?
Usama Bin Ladin, sir. Where are you when we need you!
Numb saying that they shouldn't add a cvar is bullshit. So what if it isn't KZ legal settings. Im pretty sure XJ's main priority is keeping KZ alive and not making sure we use 100% legal CS settings.
GEFORCE created a thread requesting a CVAR . OMG , numb is screaming here for a sound and you ask for a cvar. go kill yourself .
Originally posted by SpiNeNumb saying that they shouldn't add a cvar is bullshit. So what if it isn't KZ legal settings. Im pretty sure XJ's main priority is keeping KZ alive and not making sure we use 100% legal CS settings.
i agree with you.
cvar is better than the alternative --> because then we'd have to patch/crack/hack the game to get the old movement back.
it won't hurt the community that there's this little variable. it will only hurt the image of kz a little.
on the other hand, there will come up some new maps which work with this new doubleduck slow...
i'd say priority is keeping the game kreedzable on a legal basis!
additionally i'd like to point out that numB's and other's ways of confronting valve with statements like "either my way or there will be illegal cs" is not the kinda comments valve appreciates since it's quite generous of them to improve cs1.6 again!
Originally posted by i r zyllEEUsama Bin Ladin, sir. Where are you when we need you!
AHAHAHAHAHHHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
However I still wont quit kz, cuz this is 'my home', this is a place where I have a voice. This is a place where I control my player. This is where I'm taking part in the scene. This is where I feel better. And nothing nohow nowhen will change that! If valve thinks they are cool - bring it on! I'll make the same fix, only better and faster. And I'll remove their fix the same moment when they release it! Valve will always be much steps behind me and it will never change! And not only me - all us, cuz together we are strong and nomather how hard who will try - it's not gonna change!
This amused me.
Originally posted by sbzvln
However I still wont quit kz, cuz this is 'my home', this is a place where I have a voice. This is a place where I control my player. This is where I'm taking part in the scene. This is where I feel better. And nothing nohow nowhen will change that! If valve thinks they are cool - bring it on! I'll make the same fix, only better and faster. And I'll remove their fix the same moment when they release it! Valve will always be much steps behind me and it will never change! And not only me - all us, cuz together we are strong and nomather how hard who will try - it's not gonna change!
This amused me.
lol
Originally posted by sbzvln
However I still wont quit kz, cuz this is 'my home', this is a place where I have a voice. This is a place where I control my player. This is where I'm taking part in the scene. This is where I feel better. And nothing nohow nowhen will change that! If valve thinks they are cool - bring it on! I'll make the same fix, only better and faster. And I'll remove their fix the same moment when they release it! Valve will always be much steps behind me and it will never change! And not only me - all us, cuz together we are strong and nomather how hard who will try - it's not gonna change!
This amused me.
So to stop the flame war about valve just read the first post on the Cs1.6 Beta forum!
* full duck jumping doesn't make any sound as before
* walk jumping DOES still make a sound, but it's 65% quieter than a normal one.
* movement penalty now happens after 2 or more successive incomplete duck movements, not the first.
* the unduck penalty does not get applied after you've jumped - this caused the jumping penalty to be reduced.
So according to Flibo who has test it :
-cj still works as before (no more dcj)
-bunnyhop is still as 1.3 bhop so that's not fixed yet
numb the competitive cs community would also probably have this cvar off. plus kz is big enough now that if the biggest names in the community got together and decided kz was best if the cvar was off, then i think things would go along fine. yeah theres a little bit of novelty in using default settings, but imo its not a big issue.
NUMB 4 PRESIDENT
29/04/2009 01:57NumB, calm down mate.
Originally posted by NumBOriginally posted by xellsysit is true that valve deleted faker's post...
did they do it without any commentary?!?!
i don't want to bellieve they just delete it and pretend there never was a post. thats ridiculous...
They deleted fakers posts. They deleted fakers thread. They deleted fakers account. They don't care about 200.000+ users. They are looking forward with slowdown features. They are making it really bugged. They fucked up step sound system. They are planing to remove doubleduck permanently. Professional players disapprove what they are doing (valve doesn't care). N00b players / stupid kids (like Bibo) approve what valve are doing (and valve really like it).
---Originally posted by Oddi^NumB, very good :) But I personally think kz should be playable without plugins.. It's very sad that they will make the doubleduck slowdown.. But I will def. use your plugin on my server for kzing when/if you release it :) Thank you!
And you'r right - kz wont support this plugin.Originally posted by CretuNUMB saves the day .
If valve will continue with the update its very simple and LEGAT what we will do . Use numb`s plugin :D
OR
MAYBE someone here will realease a PATCH that will rollback the update. Take the .exe file , install it in you`r cs and you have the old movement. Simple as that .
It will be xj admins decision (and probably the hardest one they ever had made)
Still we have to fight for ourselfs. Don't let people suggest cvars / delays / doubleduck countdown. Only right solution is a sound. And only 4 people ever suggested it... ONLY 4! What on earth is wrong with you, community. Cvar = illegal setting (xj not supported). Delay/countdown = still will ruin kz and still wr's will have to be reseted!
And now it's to late to suggest it again, cuz valve ignores us. Now only solution is to get attention of some powerfull CS shooting community and suggest that they will write sound on doubleduck suggestion. But do you know any powerful shooting community? - I don't. If you do - please contact them, so they will suggest valve once again to remove delay and add doubleduck sound.
P.S. Shame on you guys... I wrote before that only way to fix it all is to add a stepsound, but only 4 people heard me... So we had a chance so save kz (a big chance). And we lost it cuz of bad solution suggestions what ended up in a flood... The weird thing is that I thought that it will happen like this from the start, but still had some hope that you understand why I'm saying NO CVARS, NO DELAY, NO COUNTDOWN, ONLY ADD DOUBLEDUCK SOUND ON HIGH HORIZONTAL SPEED. But no... Now it's too late...
If by some miracle Valve will remove the slowdown (than thank god), but please next time think more what hl-engine knower's are suggestion and if you don't understand why they are suggesting it - ask them and they will answer. Please... But really I think now it's too late for everything. I'm already starting to move back to cs1.5 where everything was much more simple and no developers don't control anything...
However I still wont quit kz, cuz this is 'my home', this is a place where I have a voice. This is a place where I control my player. This is where I'm taking part in the scene. This is where I feel better. And nothing nohow nowhen will change that! If valve thinks they are cool - bring it on! I'll make the same fix, only better and faster. And I'll remove their fix the same moment when they release it! Valve will always be much steps behind me and it will never change! And not only me - all us, cuz together we are strong and nomather how hard who will try - it's not gonna change!
Now let's try for the last time to get kz saved! Let's post again how this slowdown fucks the game and how easy it will be for them just to add a sound! Who's with me!?
why are you posting bibo's name in every single one of your posts? anyways rhoiswar i contacted bibo for you and heres what he said
"prove me wrong pl0x?
and numb, i wonder whos the stupid kid, you literally said that cs 1.6, a 10 years old game, is your life, good job.
and also youve said that i was an attention whore a few months ago, look at you now, trying to make you look like the greatest amxx coder of all time, when faty would of simply made his plugin, be done by now, while your still trying to get everybodys attention."
i agree that the update is dumb tho :S cant even peek in scrims..
wow what a baby. he can have his opinion but there's no need to fight against us
im sry but bibo is right when he talks about although i like NumB very much :/
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However I still wont quit kz, cuz this is 'my home', this is a place where I have a voice. This is a place where I control my player. This is where I'm taking part in the scene. This is where I feel better. And nothing nohow nowhen will change that! If valve thinks they are cool - bring it on! I'll make the same fix, only better and faster. And I'll remove their fix the same moment when they release it! Valve will always be much steps behind me and it will never change! And not only me - all us, cuz together we are strong and nomather how hard who will try - it's not gonna change!
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