Standups or Regular Bhops?
I'm just curious to know if perfect standups are faster then perfect bhops. When you think about it, it seems as though standups would be slower since you bhop later. I'd like to know though :D.
LOLOL SUPA ASKING A SPEED QUESTION
srsly i though u did 2man_bhop_gloomy with brian.. standups are much slower than regular bhops cuz u have to duck and wait till you hit the ground..
fastest = duck reg duck reg
or at least thats what bibo said. cuz u know i ask bibo every questions i say.
well also when you duck you fall further forward ? Am I wrong ? :P
Originally posted by noddanwell also when you duck you fall further forward ?
yes you do and that makes standupbhopping faster after time.
go and beat goldbhop with standups noskips and normal bhop and you will see the difference. Standupbhop is faster.
Originally posted by PoisoNgo and beat goldbhop with standups noskips and normal bhop and you will see the difference. Standupbhop is faster.
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you definatly dont know shit¿¿
i think normal bhops are faster but with standup bhops you can go longer. That's my point.
that makes no sense
24/05/2009 22:39no difference :P
i dont really care,even if i see im getting slowed down from standuping, i keep on doing it. i never really use normal bhops,its lame
how is normal bhops lame?
dumb.
read the topic, no1's asking you if you think its dumb or not. its my opinion
Originally posted by framashLOLOL SUPA ASKING A SPEED QUESTION
srsly i though u did 2man_bhop_gloomy with brian.. standups are much slower than regular bhops cuz u have to duck and wait till you hit the ground..
fastest = duck reg duck reg
or at least thats what bibo said. cuz u know i ask bibo every questions i say.
greet bibo for me!!1
ontopic:
i guess normal bhops are faster.
it doesn't matter.. if u get 299 pre everytime w/o stand-up
I always tought normal bhops are faster then standups
1 . If max distance of a regular bhop is the same as the standup , lets say max lenght for each tehnique is 250 units , then standup is faster because of the first jump , the prestrafe ...one is made with +duck ( longer ) , second without +duck ( shorter ) .
2. If max distance of a stand-up is bigger then regular bhop , lets say max for stand-up is 250 and max for regular is 248 , then stand-up is for sure faster.
3. If max distance of a regular bhop is bigger then a stand-up bhop then depending on the difference between them.... on short distances the regular one is faster ( not enaugh time to cover the distance between a regular prestrafe and a stand-up prestrafe ) ...and on a big distance the standup is faster because you have time to cover that prestrafe difference ( with each jump you gain distance )
THIS is if you start the count when you press W ( like a record on a map ...goldbhop)
If you start the count after the prestrafe ( like a bj record ) then the faster way is all about the max distance of every tehnique .
Since every guy here is using only stand-up ( the maxdistance of a standup is problably 250 since FOF made 247.8 ) at the lj records , we don`t know the actual max distance of a regular bhop .....it could be bigger than a stand-up ....or shorter than a stand-up . I think they are the same thing.
Excuse my big ass post ......i`m at work , extremely bored :(.
standups are faster, because you can keep your higher speed a little longer (while being ducked). It's not much i guess, but still enough to make a difference.
So much about flat areas.
When it comes to bhops while climbing (e.g. fof_dale) it changes a bit. The important thing when climbing is, that you loose as less time during each jump as possible. Same goes for the time you spent on each "brick". Doing everything with standup even when it's not neccessary is just a waste of time. Often you have small gaps between the jumps. When you do regular bhops there you shorten the time in air in comparison to standups.
Next point are double ducks:
When you want to connect two bhop combos with a doubleduck in between, it is easier to start the dd while you are not ducked. In order this could be like this:
scroll -> touch ground 1 time -> quickly hold +duck now -> wait a moment -> -duck +jump (standup bhop)
You see it kinda mixes regular and standup bhop :)
conclusion:
depends on what you do :)
- while climbing: try not to do standups
- while in flat areas (eg. most of goldbhop): standup whenever it makes sense or is neccessary.
- for doubleducks: see above
If you want to know exactly, download stopwatch plugin, changelevel and set start and end point far away from each other on different maps. Then just try it out.
Originally posted by Cretu1 . If max distance of a regular bhop is the same as the standup , lets say max lenght for each tehnique is 250 units , then standup is faster because of the first jump , the prestrafe ...one is made with +duck ( longer ) , second without +duck ( shorter ) .
2. If max distance of a stand-up is bigger then regular bhop , lets say max for stand-up is 250 and max for regular is 248 , then stand-up is for sure faster.
3. If max distance of a regular bhop is bigger then a stand-up bhop then depending on the difference between them.... on short distances the regular one is faster ( not enaugh time to cover the distance between a regular prestrafe and a stand-up prestrafe ) ...and on a big distance the standup is faster because you have time to cover that prestrafe difference ( with each jump you gain distance )
THIS is if you start the count when you press W ( like a record on a map ...goldbhop)
If you start the count after the prestrafe ( like a bj record ) then the faster way is all about the max distance of every tehnique .
Since every guy here is using only stand-up ( the maxdistance of a standup is problably 250 since FOF made 247.8 ) at the lj records , we don`t know the actual max distance of a regular bhop .....it could be bigger than a stand-up ....or shorter than a stand-up . I think they are the same thing.
Excuse my big ass post ......i`m at work , extremely bored :(.
u'r theory is not correct because:
u might jump longer with stand-up (cuz u got more time in air) => and jump longer on each bhop, BUT
u'r jump-time is longer than regular bhop
AND in both techniques u get over 300 u/s speed in air, and when u bhop again it drops, and the point is to drop to 299.9 pre to do the next bhop..
so the true fact is that there is no difference if u get 299.9 pre everytime and do 36x maxspeed
Originally posted by SLAYER^i think normal bhops are faster but with standup bhops you can go longer. That's my point.
+1
ICHWILL , every theory of mine ( 1 , 2 , 3 ) has is own condition .
SUPA SAID PERFECT , SO perfect means the MAXIMUM lenght you can get with a bhop .
SO every theory of mine starts with a condition .
If max distance of a regular bhop is the same as the standup then ........
So i think what i said is correct .
In order to answer supa we need to now EXACTLY how much units you can jump with every tehnique . Right ?
My theories are formulated on a hypothetic bases .
I don`t think maxspeed matters at all . I don`t care if you can go from A to B in 5 minutes , 3 minutes or 3 HOURS if the distante from A to B is the same every time.
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