About spr1n's demo on kz_cg_wigbl0ck

theres already a thread closed in the chopping block forum - apparently he's been cleared of cheating - but same goes for alot of cheats that are undetectable.

personally i am not well enough informed on jbing to comment (have only done like 1 or 2 over the entire time ive played)

3 in a run is insane, and jb doesnt really seem like a technique you can get 'consistent' - again, probably not licensed to comment.

but i still think theres the possiblilty that hes not legit, and same goes for fof's xtremeblock demo + his lj and hj demos (havent watched his dcj)
- the way he strafes looks exactly like slowmo - xtremeblock is often jittery and he bops back up instantly after he falls back (unintentional fall) = impossible to react that fast, he does a bhop but realises hes not going to make it IMPOSSIBLY fast and does a 180 --- but that is another issue and i dont mean to go offtopic.


what was more sus to me about spr1n was watching him do jumpbug on an invisible platform twice.....im not saying he cheats 100%, i just think it shouldnt be ruled out

My own feeling.. 1JB~30-50 trys..

Originally posted by RemaKe`

your feeling..

Originally posted by RemaKe`

btw, what cheat is he using in your opinion?

for the first, scripts are impossible to use in steam due the steam update.
for the second, you think so just because you have never seen somebody doing 3 jumpbugs in a row.. puppetz had a good example which exactly describes that.

Originally posted by Pulsar!

Of course not. You need a skill to do longjump, luck does not affects to much, but to do a JB you need only luck, it is an impossible to train it. And that is why your comparison not correct. Even a man who plays only tetris can do a JB with the same average % of succses.

Scripts doesn't have ground/above ground detection, so only via looping is possible to do JBs at random places(and still has some big chance for failed JB).
For 100% success with script u must start from the perfect position(accurated to units), and its almost impossible to use this method in run.
2nd way for 100% JB is using hax that has "above ground detection" - but unfortunately some haxxzors said that its impossible to do it

and also the chance for doing JB is based on u'r fps and the velocity u got (with more fps it increases, with more velocity it decreases)
ex: its harder to do JB with 1000 gravity instead of 500 / why? - cuz u need faster reflex to do the action
the same goes for the fps: u're 6 units above the ground, but u got 1000fps instead of 100, which means u got 10x frames more = 10x better reflex (human eye is 24 fps based, if it was 240 fps - we would be like flyes)

anyway the today's possible methods for doing JB with cheats are:
-slowmo
-looping script(not .cfg ofc, some program)
-plugin which does JB, (locating the ground, and doing the action)

EDIT: he could proof that he doesn't cheat if he do some handsshow JB movie

[blockquote]What do you base these "facts" on? It's impossible to train it? You don't really have any arguments.[/blockquote]
Oh, okey. If you need some arguments let's start:

As Grrr said human eye is based on 24 frames per second. What it means ? It means what your computer shows 4 frames and your eye catched only 1. You have no idea what happeneds around you in the time between your "eye frame". Only this makes this technique "posibility based". But it is not all. The main thing is time of reaction. You can't catch an individual frame in which you are 1 frame before the ground simply because human's reaction time is not enough for it ;)

Try to play this little game:
There is a timer, start it and try to catch XX:XX:XX.00x every 10 second. Even if you will train it the whole day the best result you will get is +/- 0.15 second. That means 1/30 trys.

The same game you play when you try to catch a JB ;)

[blockquote]It's easier to predict when exactly you're going to land with a slow falling speed. Usually hight and falling speed are dependent on each other, except when you have reached your max falling velocity (2000 units/s or so?).[/blockquote]

Don't think.. It is the same.. If you falling with 2000u/s the space you need to "catch" is 20 units above the ground for an HL engine and 80 units above the ground for your eye. With falling speed 200. it is 2 for an engine and 8 for your eye ;) But as i said before it is not matter, cause you catch not the "space", but the frame.

Lier.

We did not :)

Originally posted by Grrr

EDIT: he could proof that he doesn't cheat if he do some handsshow JB movie