The "Hero" that will beat kz_synerg
Originally posted by brendo333Originally posted by juleeehUsers may be unbanned at any time if the staff approves his/her essay. This obviously does not happen very often, but in the last couple of days we unbanned more then just heL_x.
We made a vote regarding heL_x's essay and it was approved.
Wait, wasn't it that you have to write an essay and then admins put on a 6 months ban or so? You see, koukouz' essay was approved but he's not unbanned, he now has a time ban, not a permanent ban.
Koukouz' situation was discussed and it was decided he didn't deserve a permanent ban, but we didn't want his rulebreaking to go unpunished, so he now has around 2 months left. I wouldn't say his essay was approved, but his punishment was reduced.
20/05/2010 23:16Originally posted by [KNKraXXXel]
i like turtles
i like more turtles than u
Ok, koukouz' case was a random example, but $iw, Tess, kayne, s1z3 had to write an essay, which was accepted and they had to wait until ban exceeds.
So it's essay - approved essay - wait until ban exceeds, not essay - unfull ban time - approved essay and unban.
Originally posted by dEMoliteOriginally posted by [KNKraXXXel]
i like turtles
i like more turtles than u
Fu but i like Catzz too
brendo what is wrong with you man ? Are you being serious when writing these things ? I want to believe that you're joking, really.
21/05/2010 00:44(edited 21/05/2010 01:03)If heL_x did it and is going to submit the demo (I have heard that he did it as well, but not seen a demo so far) I can see 2 possible alternatives:
Alternative A: heL_x is banned and beats synergy_x but can't grab the pot, the second best demo will win. Everyone will be saying "OMG he was the first, he deserves it, but he didn't win it because he was punished, you altered the history of kz! STUPID XJ STUPID RULES!!!!!"
Alternative B: heL_x did this demo for real and is going to submit it for the next release(s). People will say "omg XJ did unban hel_x because he did beat synergy_x".
Either way, we lose.
Sometimes I'm really under the impression some of you people use any chance to "hate" XJ for no reason (living their anti-authority/anti-rules stage of their puberty and reflect it on us, the XJ admins?)... I really don't know.
P.S: For those who care.... heL_x didn't write an essay before, he was banned under wrong facts and after he wrote his statement and we checked the facts, his bantime was recuded to 6 months. Now, after 4,9 months, he wrote such an essay because he wanted to be able to take part in this unique contest and submit a demo, and that ESSAY convinced us (also he already went through 80% of the bantime). If it was true what you guys are saying and we're just "whoring" for hel's demo(s) we wouldn't have even banned him in the first place...
And about kkz... he was banned under wrong facts as well, he wrote a statement about it explaining the facts and the bantime got adjusted. This was not even an essay in the classical meaning obviously.
Originally posted by fakerIf heL_x did it and is going to submit the demo (I have heard that he did it as well, but not seen a demo so far) I can see 2 possible alternatives:
Alternative A: heL_x is banned and beats synergy_x but can't grab the pot, the second best demo will win. Everyone will be saying "OMG he was the first, he deserves it, but he didn't win it because he was punsihed, you altered the history of kz! STUPID XJ STUPID RULES!!!!!"
Alternative B: heL_x did this demo for real and is going to submit it for the next release(s). People will say "omg XJ did unban hel_x because he did beat synergy_x".
Either way, we lose.
Sometimes I'm really under the impression some of you people use any chance to "hate" XJ for no reason (living their anti-authority/anti-rules stage of their puberty and reflect it on us, the XJ admins?)... I really don't know.
That really said it right there. Then ofc there are people from both sides so you will always have somebody against you. It is inevitable.
About 'Alternative A'
"OMG he was the first, he deserves it, but he didn't win it because he was punsihed, you altered the history of kz! STUPID XJ STUPID RULES!!!!!"
He was first he was/is partially excluded from XJ community. He wasn't punished for bad reasons, he was punished for cheated demo and recording in elveN's name.
It's like koukouz's (or Bibo?) situation which can't participate in the new ladder because he's banned. (I'm not saying he wanted to)
Sometimes I'm really under the impression some of you people use any chance to "hate" XJ for no reason (living their anti-authority/anti-rules stage of their puberty and reflect it on us, the XJ admins?)... I really don't know.
I'm taking this sentence addressed directly to me. No, It is not an occasion to show my "hating" for XJ and all the other stuff you wrote there. I just wanted to know the circumstances heL^_X was unbanned.
"Now, after 4,9 months, he wrote such an essay because he wanted to be able to take part in this unique contest and submit a demo, and that ESSAY convinced us"
Ok, thanks for admitting that you unbanned him so he can record a demo on synergy_x.
haha I really like the way of How you make people more confused.. tell me If I am wrong or not.. but You ( faker) on your post tell us the situation of heL (I read it because I had doubts)..as You said He was unbanned only for the "contest and submit a demo" talking about kz_synergy_x.. Right?
Now I see that his demo wasn't upload and that cool sarcasm from ndR make me think hard about How the system work...seriously..
Why he doesn't upload his demo? for real everybody know that the demo exist.. You can contradict this but..come on! Look at ndR's sarcasm on this first post on the news..
What's the point of the punishment if every single case can conclude on an essay and then an soon unban..?
Why exist the Warn/Ban Expire if it can be advice?
Nobody is hating.. just doubts..doubts about the system..
I really like this site since I visit this web everyday and I read everything that you (admins and users) wrote...but this.. this make me feel that there's something wrong..
Mercy? Although I dislike cheaters give people or rather children some time to grow and learn. It is not easy to go through puberty and wanting recognition from your peers.What's the point of the punishment if every single case can conclude on an essay and then an soon unban..?
Learn to be more forgiving.
Originally posted by m0verMercy? Although I dislike cheaters give people or rather children some time to grow and learn. It is not easy to go through puberty and wanting recognition from your peers.What's the point of the punishment if every single case can conclude on an essay and then an soon unban..?
Learn to be more forgiving.
It's not about tolerate childrens who need to grow up and learn..because iiN is 20 or maybe more years old and there's alot of people who are old and they keep acting like kids... the point is (about what I know) that XJ admins are looking for a site without child attitudes with people that would take advantage and enjoy of this website being mature and responsible.
i think that it doesn't matter wether he's banned or not as long as you accept his demo :)
P.S. faker's penis is almost 4000(cm) long!! ^_^ yay so huge
first you ask for HeL's unban, now you ask why he's unbanned... WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
stop bitching about this, and stop thinking this is a major scheme for XJ to win money (WTF?!).
When the first pot ( 30 EUR? ) was put up for grabs, it was put up by faker... why would faker wanna give money ESPECIALLY to HeL?
i seriously doubt that all of your brain cells are working properly...
Originally posted by fakerP.S: For those who care.... heL_x didn't write an essay before, he was banned under wrong facts and after he wrote his statement and we checked the facts, his bantime was recuded to 6 months. Now, after 4,9 months, he wrote such an essay because he wanted to be able to take part in this unique contest and submit a demo, and that ESSAY convinced us (also he already went through 80% of the bantime). If it was true what you guys are saying and we're just "whoring" for hel's demo(s) we wouldn't have even banned him in the first place...
There, was that so hard? That's what I wanted to know - how come that sudden acceptance of one's essay could get him unbanned, when only possible solution connected with essays is reducing permanent ban to time ban, after essay's acceptance. And yeah, I'm not saying it shouldn't be this way, I'm just curious. And I don't judge you. And, if you care, I don't belong to any group of above you mentioned, I just simply wanted to hear more about the essay, not unban.
kzro`CyclopP - what part you didn't understand that made you write such post?
21/05/2010 10:23Kunqui that was not a sarcasm, I'm just "playing" with members' nerves since everybody is excited about HeL's unban those days.
You have to know we really thought it would make the community happy about his unban, since people never forgot him and were often expressing their wishings about HeL's come back.
As faker said, his initial permanent ban was wrong since we misunderstood the circumstances of his mistakes, that's why some days after the first newspost about his permanent ban we turned it into a 6 months ban.
Even though I think some admins thought 6 months was too much for such a mistake.
At that time, HeL's text wasn't considered as an essay, just a way to explain the circumstances of his mistakes.
He came 3 days ago, expressing the wishing to take part to the synergy_x challenge.
You have to know that at first we simply refused to unban him but then after further talks we allowed him to submit a real essay this time, which the admins accepted.
We accepted it because we thought it would make you guys happy and because the most of the admins always thought 6 months was too harsh compared to his mistakes.
About Bibo btw, he never sent us an essay, but I guess he knows he can, whenever he wants.
i have my doubts about certain bans and special treatment but i wont post it all here.
what i do wonder though is why will you adjust bans on xj (for whatever reasons they may be) yet your server bans seemingly randomly for "perfect bhops" and those bans will never be adjusted.
especially with the addition of xj league i dont think thats very fair, as servers share a banlist, blocking you from all xj servers. i know you can't control the others, but for your own it seems strange to use the plugin
21/05/2010 10:54(edited 21/05/2010 16:02)Originally posted by nucLeaROk, thanks for admitting that you unbanned him so he can record a demo on synergy_x.
Obviously you should read my text again proplery. I just explained WHY hel did bother to send such an essay at all (after 4,9 months). That doesn't mean we accepted his essay for the very same reason. We did look for the arguments given in the essay of course (why he did all the stuff before, did he change at all?).
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Originally posted by brendo333how come that sudden acceptance of one's essay could get him unbanned, when only possible solution connected with essays is reducing permanent ban to time ban, after essay's acceptance
Yeah, if someone sends an essay after 4,9 months when the bantime is 6 months at all, and it is accepted, it will obviously lift the ban immediately when recuded to 3 months (but 4,9 months have passed already).
Originally posted by brendo333And, if you care, I don't belong to any group of above you mentioned, I just simply wanted to hear more about the essay, not unban.
Yeah, I know (and I assume you know that, too) that you are a mature and grown up guy with reasonable opinions. Anyway, I have a little feeling that you are generally a bit doubtful and negative towards XJ recent decisions (I remember warnings as well) ever since you left (or the whole rejoin thing), and I think it's a pitty because you were really full of positive energy before. Correct me if I'm wrong :/
brendo, is the part when i realized that you have doubts concerning the decisions we make. I thought and I still want to think you didn't change, that you are still the great guy you used to be when you was an admin and that you are not like most of the guys here, looking to argue with the admins so that people can notice you. This is what happens when you can't come up with productive thoughts.
Read again what the admins said. But this time without the desire to argue just for you to have something to post.
No matter what decisions we make, we lose. You asked in the beginning to unban heL. We did that now. You are complaining.
Imagine what it would have happened if heL actually made a demo on synergy_x and he was still banned and unable to send his demo. The community would have been like "omg, XJ policy sucks. We asked for his unban, but they didn't do anything,"
Now, that heL explained his thoughts in a text, the admins decided to unban him. What is your problem ? What do you want ?
We can do it the either way too. These are our decisions, if you don't like them, leave. Why do we need to explain ourselves in front of you ? We are some mean bastards and the head bastard is faker. Are you happy now ? We do whatever we want.
I always thought that this community is unable to understand things at a bigger/larger scale or to understand the overall picture. In two words, narrow minded.
Everybody is good at football. This is what they say. Nowadays it seems that everybody is good at management.
Originally posted by fakerOriginally posted by brendo333how come that sudden acceptance of one's essay could get him unbanned, when only possible solution connected with essays is reducing permanent ban to time ban, after essay's acceptance
Yeah, if someone sends an essay after 4,9 months when the bantime is 6 months a tall, and it is accepted, it will obviously lift the ban immediately when recuded to 3 months but 4,9 months have passed already.
Oh, I thought he was permbanned and then he got his ban reduced to 6 months after the essay. Since no one corrected me in my first post (you can see I had some doubts about my "facts") I thought I was right. All I got was not-so-important another case and "WTF brendo REALLY?".
Originally posted by brendo333And, if you care, I don't belong to any group of above you mentioned, I just simply wanted to hear more about the essay, not unban.
Originally posted by fakerYeah, I know (and I assume you know that, too) that you are a mature and grown up guy with reasonable opinions. Anyway, I have a little feeling that you are generally a bit doubtful and negative towards XJ recent decisions (I remember warnings as well) ever since you left (or the whole rejoin thing), and I think it's a pitty because you were really full of positive energy before. Correct me if I'm wrong :/
I'm still full of energy but now with less patience. And it's not caused by you guys, it's just that you no longer have to act like authority and a role model. So I gave myself some freedom in speech and acting. That goes for some spamming, but I don't remember I was generally/partially negative about XJ's decisions. :/
But I really hated those warnings, actually one warning and one ban. You do know the ban thing and your reaction was "Who banned you for that?".
And the warning was for this, for posting insulting image, in this discussion. If you take a look you'll notice that it's only an extension for posts about Russian involvement in this event. I really don't see anything offensive in this. Yet I wanted to make sure and asked my admin mate (@Noobsticks!) who is Polish does he find this offensive. And answer was negative. And this picture stood in my post for days and no one got offended. And I still that warning was bullshit.
But I do understand it's some admin's decision to add it, not XJ's. In both cases. I do understand the difference between a part and unity. And I really didn't hate the unity for that. Same goes for the "part", both because it didn't do me any damage and because I couldn't know whose fault it is. :D
But still I'd rather talk about it instead of flaming. But I decided to do nothing. :)
And rejoin thing didn't change my feelings how I feel about XJ. Especially because I don't remember much what happened there and when it happened. Also seven days of constant drinking on holidays blurred my memory a bit and I couldn't know about some things. But I do not blame you, because I don't have any specific reason for it and because I can't remember exactly and be sure about what happened then.
21/05/2010 13:21(edited 21/05/2010 13:22)Originally posted by boom.dllfirst you ask for HeL's unban, now you ask why he's unbanned... WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
Originally posted by ndRYou have to know we really thought it would make the community happy about his unban, since people never forgot him and were often expressing their wishings about HeL's come back.
I find it fascinating that you talk about the community as a singular. This most definitely is not the first time. XJ consists of lots of different people and we don't think alike. If someone (who is somewhat visible on this website) is happy about something it doesn't tell you anything about what the community actually thinks.
I don't hate heL^_x but who would want a guy back who made a cheated demo and recorded a fake demo for his friend? It doesn't really sound like he had a lot of respect for this community.
Since when could you shorten your timebans with an essay? Please don't say it was possible since heL^_x recorded kz_synergy_x.
I don't actually see it as a problem that he could submit the demo while being banned (at least if he didn't get the ban for the cheated demo). If I recall correctly XJ allows banned people who haven't cheated to submit demos. Even if he did cheat, this is quite an exception and his demo could be allowed, he kind of deserves the money.