Question: "New hj technique?" by Pu

Ohh, remember this thread :) nice bump! I've done 238hj with 244 stat. With that technique really hard to do good distance. Hope sometime someone push forward hj records this way. :first:

stop talking about avatar one of the biggest cheater evah lol

Originally posted by VoDkA`BoY

stop talking about avatar one of the biggest cheater evah lol

Yeah I remember this thread aswell, I don't even think I was registered there haha, but just reading through old topics when I was bored.
But honestly, if you can do 250+ with 3 strafes, then you can do 20+ HJ aswell with a weird prestrafe. I think it's a question about doing the pre as parallel to edge as possible, but still only as parallel that you still can do the first strafe without too much airtime. It's like DCJ, if we geek it we'll master it in the end. I have no fucking idea why it hasn't been geeked more, it's damn useful.

I look forward to see some sick wr's with this technique :D

Originally posted by kREWAN

Can someone do a demo of the technique 'cause I don't get the picture o.O

what about a prestrafe like this?
http://www.sendspace.com/file/rwj4v1
even 0 jumpoff should be possible with some geeking

Well first of all it's hard to call this a technique. It's more a knowledge about edgefriction and HL engine.
Here's the draft I made to explane something: http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/923/edgefrictionexplanation.png

As my experience tells, the biggest problem is to make a correct first strafe because on it depends the whole trajectory of the jump and the speed.
in picture 1 you can see a regular prestrafe with regular strafes. Everybody does longjumps with some angle and lets say in my draft the movement angle was ~60. Aproximate trajectory (in orange) is kinda straight but the problem is that edgefriction is kinda big. (13,6 * sin(60) = ~11,77units) So the best you can win there is ~2units. And your highjump should be similar to longjump what is good because everybody is used to perform their longjump strafes.

Picture2:
Lets say we are going to perform HJ with lesser ange, lets say ~30. Edge friction here comes ~6,8units. But the problem goes in our trajectory. The orange line shows it's aproximation. As you can see it's longer than the grey one (regular distance between blocks). Why we have to make first (blue) strafe that long? It's just because if you would try to make it regular (like in Picture3) you will lose speed. Therefore the question is about finding perfect angle and first strafe (which influence the trajectory of jump or in other words - the whole jump distance you need to fly to get successful landing)

in Picture4 if a player wanna try an uber small angle jump (let's say ~15degrees). We got a very big problem because first strafe have to be so big unless you wanna get a speedloss. Edgefriction ofc here becomes only ~3,5units.

Aproximate trajectory can be found using Pitagor theory. More precise distance you can find using circle bend formula (count each strafe and sum them).
So in the 2nd and 4th picture we have a difference between regular distance you have to jump = h1, and the actual aproximate trajectory you have to fly in air - h2. And the result is h1 < h2.

Accordingly the problem is to find the best angle you are comfortable with. So you could recude edgefriction and still manage your first strafe.

awesome post FoF! now lets start geekingg!

Ive been experementing with that way of jumping hjs aswell. But I concluded it wasen't more effective than a normal HJ because of the big firste strafe and low prestrafe speed(did 240 with 246 stats). If someone made new hj blocks like u showed on the picture fof it can be interesting :).

Is someone kind enough to send me a demo of this technique, please. Btw, FoF great work.