Longjumping loosing its entity for good

To me, Longjumping is a prestraf + strafs and came out in summer 2004 when the first map came with LJ blocks (kz_man_riverside - 2004/05/31)

Before that summer, every jumpers didn't even know what a prestraf here and were just climbing with 1-2, sometimes 3 strafs because they already knew the strafs since it's present in most of the fps games from the 90's, so basically, for me, they weren't longjumping since the prestraf wasnt found yet (but making W prestrafs seemed pretty cool lol!).

The climb maps from the famous Kreedz started 3years before, in 2001, that's why for me, longjumping didn't start anything but mostly Climbing started all this (see how the older maps are all big mountains or giant beans ^^)

EDIT: about the de_maps, even the big rock on de_nuke wasn't made before 2004, so it's still 3years late after climbing.

About a list of the best ljs, i'm ok with it, as i'm ok with making a list on all wrs in the wesbite, even a long one, because it would make a better ladder (currently someone who have 1wr on a forgotten map is better than someone that is 50 times 2nd in the world in maps;\) but it's impossible because of the lenght and the cheaters and so the time to check the demos, and i understand this:\.

Originally posted by -SLip-

I may be not playing CS since 2001 or 2002, but this is what I think: A prestrafe is meant to gain [or lose if bad key timing] speed before jumping. Every time you run before doing any king of jump, you do the prestrafe no matter where, no matter how far. And if U add at least one strafe [ be it shitty or smth ] it's already called longjump. And what I mean by distance isn't always just straight jump from A to B, it can also be an U-jump, because you also have to jump the said distance to land on an edge. And the bunnyhops can also be considered ar longjumping- every time you make a jump, you are also making the prestrafe for the next jump and ofcourse in the air, u do the strafes, so this also can be considered as longjumping. So in my opinion, the longjumping in CS appeared before Climb.

I first became aaware of cs in early 2005 and not long after that i tried to do some kz maps on lan. And unfortunatly i was never able to finish one, simply beacause the jumps were to hard for me.
2 years ago when i tried some kz maps on an internet server and I simply got addicted to it. then i played like 2 hoers normel cs and 2 hours kz per day but I just could't finish the maps so I gave it up again. 2 months later I wanted to learn the nuke jump and luckily there was a friend of a teammate who could do it so he explained the concept of longjump to me and helped me 2 learn it. after 3 hours on the first evening I was abel to do 229 block and stood the nuke jump every second try. On the next days I geeked kz_longjumps2 like 5 hours per day and was able 2 do 335 block. Around that time I started playing kreedz again and i as able 2 finish more maps then before or made them in better times. But there was every now and then a jump that was simply 2 long so I geeked longjumping again and every time when I was able to beat my record I was really happy. And that never changed( was able 2 make 245 block this week and got 249.7 stats today).
because of what i experienced I say that it is impossible 2 do kz properly without some longjumping skills. So in my opinion deleting the lj section on a kz community site would be unfair to people who are trying to do lj wr's because they train hard for it like every kz map rekordholder does.

i think that were there no lj, climb maps would be impos. Still read my last idea in 1st post. Do you rly think ljing doesn't require skills and hard-work? Same as recording it deserves a place. Remember t3dbundy times , bibo, oTcHeTo, how were those times when kz_lj2 was on 80+% servers! Why forgetting about most xtreme part of kz? Because you hell nubs and jelous? Every1 who says that lj is shit ,all these wr holders, they didnt jump even a 254, so why not making top 10 again? Wouldnt be you able to check 10 demos per year?! you check 200+++ wr per year and wouldnt you check 10 lj demos 5 sec long each?!

I will not take part of the discussion, I merely wish to state my opinion on this matter:
"Long"jumping will always be the essential of Kreedz. You can be able to jump through a map without using other techniques than "longjumping", while you can't actuelly finish the map, if you cant jump the distance.
I'm not saying that LJing is what makes up KZ, but KZ is the same as LJing. (Prestrafing if need-be ->) Jump -> (Strafing ->) Landing.
If you are not able to do this well anoth to jump the block, you wont finish the map. Other techniques like bhop is something added on to do it faster and more efficiently. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST MY POINT OF VIEW.
Explaination: I started out knowing strafing pretty well, before I knew of bhoping. So later I added bhop to my arsenal, became good at it, and LJing kinda faded - But I started to find myself stuck at surden points, where bhoping would not help. So since my LJing had faded, I found myself stuck, as I said.
Please note, that I originaly KZ'd in CSS.
PS I dont make any sense! D:
PPS All I'm trying to say is that LJing is practicly the fundamental of KZ IMO!

Originally posted by StarWars*1

i think that were there no lj, climb maps would be impos. Still read my last idea in 1st post. Do you rly think ljing doesn't require skills and hard-work? Same as recording it deserves a place. Remember t3dbundy times , bibo, oTcHeTo, how were those times when kz_lj2 was on 80+% servers! Why forgetting about most xtreme part of kz? Because you hell nubs and jelous? Every1 who says that lj is shit ,all these wr holders, they didnt jump even a 254, so why not making top 10 again? Wouldnt be you able to check 10 demos per year?! you check 200+++ wr per year and wouldnt you check 10 lj demos 5 sec long each?!

Look at it this way: Kreedzing is like the Olympics and there are disciplines such as LJ, HJ, BHOP LJ, CJ, DCJ etc. So this actually makes LJ a part of KZ. Period. What you are trying to do here is an intellectual differentiation, but it doesn't really work. Fact is, without our beloved and hatred Long Jump, maps like kkz_texture or today's standard TJs wouldn't be possible, and the majority of the community obviously loves to see a hard map or TJ beaten.

I don't get this fucking crying over the LJ issue anyway. I mean, what's the problem? Everybody is saying "it's important to have fun", even the founder of Kreedz said that. Hey! Newsflash: Long Jumping IS fun for certain people! And shouldn't you do that, what makes you have fun?! Stop these redundant discussions and just let the progress of Kreedzing flow.

I sense a flamewar in the making :) My thoughts? Well i think people should do what they enjoy doing. And making the lj list longer would mean alot more lj demos which apparently takes a long time to check so i'm not sure it's possible to make the lj list longer.

Well, it's ok since i didn't expect more than an insulting from you.

All I wanted say is that LJ is for sure came first and just then came kz/climb, i mean yea kz is nothing without LJ as well. But i think 254+ LJ is way too much and unnecessary for kz nowadays (at least on official maps). You would ask me, what about xtreme maps? The truth is again in that you don't have to jump 254+ to pass it through, you just have to learn the jumps, that's all.

When it comes to recording, i really can't get those people who spend weeks/months on one single jump doing it uncountable number of times just to get a result; some of them are even do the same block many times(i mean performing)... So, compare now longjump to climb/bhop which has much more space, diversity and will(freedom).. The difference is obvious.

Sure everyone do what he like/can to do. You should not impose your views. Peace.

Almost every jump comes from LJ element/technique.