2 New-ish Maps.
20/09/2015 16:17These 2 are made specially for ShoCk (7 July) and elITe^( 4 July) birthdays. I have submmited them back in 30 June and 2 July to XJ, but after more than 2 months of delaying me with "we still talk about them" ,false hope of releasing them any time soon and finally that it might not get (kz_) tag or might be denied I just put them here.
Natureclimb dedicated to ShoCk :
http://i.imgur.com/lCtCBf4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/C4hkI2z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OH5Yi5Z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kstWD4Z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CiGuxeA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CJaHlWK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/M0pD7QF.jpg
Link : https://www.sendspace.com/file/mz286p
Crashpath dedicated to elITe^ :
http://i.imgur.com/8nLJQWE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5eMiHSH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sZnp6Vf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0qdLfgu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Egt1mx9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FnG7Hr7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4LDDyGt.jpg
Link : https://www.sendspace.com/file/4qj816
Have fun.
Looks great, should deffo be accepted imo
This are a hard maps??
20/09/2015 19:46Klusia, Natureclimb dedicated to ShoCk is the pretty hard one ;)
Crashpath dedicated to elITe^ is very easy that any1 can complete it :P
Agreed WeMeRA :)
20/09/2015 22:00(edited 20/09/2015 22:05)be ashamed of yourself XJ, after the years still same shit and no progress at all. people's work for you and your project getting denied. which sadly, looking at these two maps screenshots, is really shame. shame shame shame. wish all the mappers close their doors for you for ever so your 'let's revive our XJ action' might as well go to hell.
20/09/2015 22:20(edited 20/09/2015 22:24)Those maps are looking pretty good, seems like "cliff" maps is your thing :D.
You should have gone for custom tag directly, kz_ tag doesn't really matter anymore... If you look in the servers this days you'll notice that most of the maps played have custom tags, and if the map is good nobody cares about what tag it has.
I've also submitted my latest map about 2 weeks ago, took me a week and a half to make it, will see how long it takes until I hear if it's or isn't accepted...
Originally posted by perd0be ashamed of yourself XJ, after the years still same shit and no progress at all. people's work for you and your project getting denied. which sadly, looking at these two maps screenshots, is really shame. shame shame shame. wish all the mappers close their doors for you for ever so your 'let's revive our XJ action' might as well go to hell.
Why would be ashamed? The maps are checked and reviewed by the map admins,,, But there are still some fixes needed in the maps... Screenshots are always nice, but ingame the map admins look for other stuff than just some pictures.
Also the fact that he submitted these for the kz_ tag and not custom... Which means a few higher standards, which are not met and so until a re-submission it will not be accepted as such.
Those maps look incredible!. I've Always enjoyed your maps dude. Big open areas, nature stuff and entertaining jumps.
Like perdo said. Is such a shame that XJ nowadays, with less activity, continues with this attitude towards mappers and community, after all
GJ MAN!!
20/09/2015 22:47(edited 21/09/2015 01:51)Ashamed, yes. Not saying you got to accept every crap you get, but if you get a decently looking map from a well known mapper like this one is, who spent his free time to develop a map for hundreds and even thousands of players, and still want the map to go through YOUR hands, before it gets to the players, you should take appropriate actions immidiately and it just shouldn't take more than two months to get him the answers (which he still didn't get according to his words). You know, two months is 60 days, how on earth aren't you able to pull of a decision in this time is beyond me. I'd understand if you were getting dozens of greatly looking maps every month and that you've got to carefully pick those best ones, but I HIGHLY doubt you are. And if you got a decent map admin team in your hands then it just has to be done. Seems like you don't.
And it is VERY, VERY unfair towards the mappers, not just this one, but in general. I've encountered these problems many times in the past, so I know what am I talking about.
...and then we can be asking where are those promised map releases when you're holding new fresh maps like this.
...two months bloody hell.
21/09/2015 08:29Originally posted by FuZzy1Those maps are looking pretty good, seems like "cliff" maps is your thing :D.
You should have gone for custom tag directly, kz_ tag doesn't really matter anymore... If you look in the servers this days you'll notice that most of the maps played have custom tags, and if the map is good nobody cares about what tag it has.
I've also submitted my latest map about 2 weeks ago, took me a week and a half to make it, will see how long it takes until I hear if it's or isn't accepted...
Thanks m8, the nature/cliff is my thing cuz there is not much "thinking" at detailing than a laboratory for example..thinking about vast majority of texture how to arrange them in the room is quite overwhelming for me :P
You are kinda right,most of people remember the custom maps much better for some reason.
2 months for an answer, that's kind of discouraging
21/09/2015 14:30Originally posted by perd0be ashamed of yourself XJ, after the years still same shit and no progress at all. people's work for you and your project getting denied. which sadly, looking at these two maps screenshots, is really shame. shame shame shame. wish all the mappers close their doors for you for ever so your 'let's revive our XJ action' might as well go to hell.
Who says about these maps denied?
Perd0 you gotta understand atleast that we are just like you, i am not sure what
your complains are about, but if you cannot be patient after submitting a map and you don't have time
to wait for responses etc then you are free to go submit/release it as you want, we do what we can and appreciate the map submissions, even though THERE ARE THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T BE SUBMITTED the way they are, we are still giving them a chance to progress on XJ, wasn't your map the peak accepted?
Wasn't i contacting you about it, giving you ideas, and letting you know about it? what you guys else want from us? we are also busy and cannot do everything in a single day or week, and if it goes longer then you have to wait if you want your map on XJ, that's how it is sometimes, and it doesn't mean that we stay like that, we are just like you like i said, we are not robot map checkers, we do our best to help and have accurate reviews atleast.
Originally posted by perd0Ashamed, yes. Not saying you got to accept every crap you get, but if you get a decently looking map from a well known mapper like this one is, who spent his free time to develop a map for hundreds and even thousands of players, and still want the map to go through YOUR hands, before it gets to the players, you should take appropriate actions immidiately and it just shouldn't take more than two months to get him the answers (which he still didn't get according to his words). You know, two months is 60 days, how on earth aren't you able to pull of a decision in this time is beyond me. I'd understand if you were getting dozens of greatly looking maps every month and that you've got to carefully pick those best ones, but I HIGHLY doubt you are. And if you got a decent map admin team in your hands then it just has to be done. Seems like you don't.
And it is VERY, VERY unfair towards the mappers, not just this one, but in general. I've encountered these problems many times in the past, so I know what am I talking about.
...and then we can be asking where are those promised map releases when you're holding new fresh maps like this.
...two months bloody hell.
Once again, you seem like you want a change? what is your advice or tips? or what do you want to improve in your opinion? is it the quality or is it the speed? if its about the speed of map reviewing and accepting/denying maps then for sure those maps haven't been reviewed and judged in the correct way, plus: Like you said! we don't receive dozens of maps so what's the point of releasing 1-2 maps? there is no point, we release like 3 minimum, so we can also satisfy the players within a different map play choice. If you are talking about the specific maps right now by spider1 and you find something inaccurate then please PM me or talk to me in steam and i can explain you things if spider1 allows.
But i am sure you heard the most negative things like ''Oh i am still waiting and waiting and nothing they are slow bad etc.'' dude we ask you for improvements and fixes etc, you don't bring you dont get your map qualified, simple as it is, if XJ was like CC where you just play the map then a review wouldn't be worthy of doing, we do our reviews and report what we got to say about the map, give advices,fixes tips etc, we get the map re-submitted and re-view it again for a final statement, do you think that reviewing a map is one time thing? It's not, we take our time, just like you take your time to make the map, and NO you didn't waste your time, and no you used your free time and spend it to create the map for the players, so would you like the map at the end to be undone in a sense? i don't suppose so perd0, plus mappers who submit their maps know exactly what they have to do if they get their map review/reports done, if they disagree, don't blame on us, we are trying to help while you don't want to listen and then we get the bad image, you find that fair?
Also Spider1, you can't just wait for a decision of your map just like that, why don't you contact us?
Why dont you ask us whats going on, what we require for the map to be accepted/released? who did you contact last time about it? also you submitted the map on CC named hb_shOck right? then you want to submit the map on XJ with kz_natureclimb, so in a sense there are 2 maps with same design/same jump style/ just with more details and some fixes, and you don't event inform us about it, yes hb_maps aren't supposed to be on XJ in a way, didn't you think about submitting the map in another custom tag instead? like kzro_hb_shOck, then submit it here, so we could relate to what you did there instead.
Also to everyone, if you submit a map and you haven't heard anything in return you should CONTACT US and not wait and then blame us, because there is possibility we tried to contact you with not results or even tho we still need more time for the decision outcome.
21/09/2015 14:57KarLi I post just about last part that concern a direct msg to me.
Contacted spr1n in august few times and he never answerd to me on steam.
I have asked why isnt accepted whats going on..and it was said that it needs more time..some keep discuss about the map and just that I need to be patient.
hb_shock is on Ru1 server too..there was tested and i changed almost all jumps from what i seen people playing it and then i send it to XJ.That didnt apply to crashpath cuz is a easy version and i dont need lots of people to test the accuarate of jumps.
I dont know why it feels like you are a bit angry when im the one that should be(altho im not angry, im very upset),I made the maps and got nothing good,you guys letting me withering over the months.
21/09/2015 15:28Originally posted by Spider1KarLi I post just about last part that concern a direct msg to me.
Contacted spr1n in august few times and he never answerd to me on steam.
I have asked why isnt accepted whats going on..and it was said that it needs more time..some keep discuss about the map and just that I need to be patient.
hb_shock is on Ru1 server too..there was tested and i changed almost all jumps from what i seen people playing it and then i send it to XJ.That didnt apply to crashpath cuz is a easy version and i dont need lots of people to test the accuarate of jumps.
I dont know why it feels like you are a bit angry when im the one that should be(altho im not angry, im very upset),I made the maps and got nothing good,you guys letting me withering over the months.
spr1n is away on vacation since 2 weeks and might be for more two weeks, you can even contact us.
hm^, my self and other map admins aswell.
I am not angry spider, i am not perfect, and no one is, we just want the best for your maps and thats why we dont just accept maps in a simple way that any map admin could do u know? like i said if spr1n doesn't answer we are also here, contacting all the admins is safer than contacting 1/2 which might be away etc.
let me ask you a question, you submit your map to XJ for xj map admins to check it right? that means you trust us right? if so what's the point of releasing it before u submit it? if you released it it means its DONE, logically right? I am not saying don't submit maps that are from CC, but if its your own map and you are not sure that the map is complete, then you bring us in a complex situation and yet still we are giving you a chance, and i love both of your maps, but if you pm'd me before you open thread and post it i would've open a discussion with the rest admins about the map and give you straight answer if your map will be accepted or not, but you didn't ask us yet (if you asked spr1n and he went away its obvious that you will have to wait for longer till he comes back) but if you asked us, we would given you the answer earlier.
21/09/2015 15:39spr1n was on vacation in august and I found out you guys still discuss my maps status...and in september i found ou that spr1n is again in vacation and you guys reject 1 and the other one goes probly custom.How cant you guys just point to some1 else to close the threads and release some maps,just make the News Post and put an image with a link..thats all.
Hmm..What,trust?That does not mean I trust some1 by submiting a map to XJ.
I dont know how to answer exactly to your respons because you wrote some weird ideas,at least for me...
21/09/2015 15:44spr1n has long vacation my friend, he didn't even told us when he be back so we don't bother to argue about that, let him do his thing and come back.
What do you mean we reject? who said to you ''hey your map is rejected'' tell me who? dont assume things you dont know mate, and as i told you, u want more clearer answers, you contact us, there's nothing i wanna talk about more, and if you can't understand my ''Ideas'' or what you called it then im sorry you can try other admin, i am just trying to be helpful here.
21/09/2015 16:07(edited 21/09/2015 16:08)I think the bottom line, and main complain of the mappers, is the long time it takes for a map to be declined/accepted and released, usually it's at least twice the time the mapper needed to make the map from scratch, so the frustration is obvious.
21/09/2015 16:38Spider for best mapper 2015, very well done with these maps man and thanks again :)
21/09/2015 16:38Originally posted by FuZzy1I think the bottom line, and main complain of the mappers, is the long time it takes for a map to be declined/accepted and released, usually it's at least twice the time the mapper needed to make the map from scratch, so the frustration is obvious.
It's obvious that if you submit your map to XJ you don't submit it and be like ''Yes im done with it, it will get accepted or denied''.
No, you will get reviews/reports etc and will have to fix whatever is required, no matter how many times the mapper needs to fix it. don't wait things to happen out of blue, better contact us.
Also, logically, when you submit a map on CC it means you believe that your map is no worth for KZ or custom at XJ, so why submit it here then? you can submit here first and then on CC if you believe u have chances for both, what's difficult to understand on that point?
21/09/2015 16:55As I said before, many mappers, including me, don't care anymore about kz_ tag, and i guess they prefer to submit the maps to cosy first or release it elsewhere, just because of the long waiting time on xj...
At least for the map's that are already released and submitted for the custom tag, things should be moving faster since the map is done and the mapper won't change anything to it...
I could say so much more on this subject, but I won't feed another contradictory discussion that will lead to nothing, yet again.
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