2 New-ish Maps.
21/09/2015 17:05If you don't care about kz_ tag you basically wouldn't care for a custom tag either, in other words you don't even acknowledge that you want to get your map on the official kreedz site and thats where our integrity stands of if you will.
It's simple, you contact us and let us know even that you want your map to be reviewed if possible untill that date or you will release it in CC etc, then we will focus mainly more on that submission instead, every mapper knows exactly whats goin on, but when there's something going wrong we have to be blamed directly, ofcourse we might be slow at times and like i said on my previous reply, it doesn't seem professional to release 1/2 maps while there are more to release instead, we rather release 3-5 maps just as i mentioned before, or probably the reaction will be
''Oh just 2 maps and the one i didnt even like'' .
21/09/2015 17:08(edited 21/09/2015 17:24)Karli dont give me this bullshit. Im in the scene from about 2007 and know what players want, because I was once a passionate kz player too. We want maps and we want them regularly. More than we want movies and other pointless newsposts about the future plans. In the end it is the game leves we have our fun on. Sorry but I disagree with all the things you wrote about the required time to check maps and that 'you're just normal people like me'. I am myself having a national community and I was doing all this work when it was on peak, receiving (accepting/refusing) maps and shit lots of other work, I know how it runs. If you had a simple small team of DEDICATED mapadmins who dont look for excuses and sit down for 1-2 days after work to test the few maps you got, it just cant take 2 months to deal with. Even if almighty spr1n is on holidays. I know it OBCIOUSLY take some time to do proper checks and actions on all the received maps, but it is all about your respect towards the mapper. I know you did not ask him to spend his time to develop maps, he did it because he wanted, and you should really show your respect and show some class, finally. Just an example: Do you know about my kzsk_communityblock map project? Do you know how much hard work it was to connect work of many mappers and how much time it took me to master it? I tell you lots. And do you know how long I was waiting till I finally decided to release it on kzsk website only? 6 months. It is just an example, and things havent change. If I want change? Personally I dont care. Ive done enough work for this community and ive had enough fun over the 8 years, and I am finished, but think about other players who are coming in and want to see fresh stuff.
And speaking of maps that shouldnt be there ? I am not shy to say My peakez is a great map and definitely dont feel ashamed of having it under my name, so i dont know what you are talking about. Yes karli, you were VERY nice with me when I needed a response from XJ and I really liked how it went and what attempts you did for this map. But you were the only one over all those years. And if Im correct, even you were complaining to me that time about the approach of others map admins (nothing to hide, nothing wrong, lets be honest).
I dont want to go very deep because its pointless and I know that, there were more admins in the past I was complaining to about this issue, and having almost no passion for the game anymore I dont care so much now. But I just want good for community because Ive always loved it and its just sad to see this happening YEARS and YEARS without noone competent coming it to change it.
Dont try to argue because this is not im my intentions, just think about what I said and try to understand ours, mappers, point of view - in the end you're one of them too.
Originally posted by KarLiit doesn't seem professional to release 1/2 maps
Ive now noticed this. What professionality you're talking about? We need to have some level of work but this is not a national geographic project, get over it. Community suffers from not having new maps but we are having our professionality. Just check the newspost from the first few years - birthday posts and others, nobody cared if it was professional, and everyone was happy.
21/09/2015 17:14imo nobody will think releasing 1-2 maps is unprofessional... There will be more activity on xj, mappers will happier, recorders will have more time to geek the map until a new one is released and the map will get more recognition...
Releasing 5-6 maps makes the coolest map get the spotlight and the rest of the maps in the release are forgotten or don't get the attention they deserve from the community.
21/09/2015 17:26Originally posted by perd0Karli dont give me this bullshit. Im in the scene from about 2007 and know what players want, because I was once a passionate kz player too. We want maps and we want them regularly. More than we want movies and other pointless newsposts about the future plans. In the end it is the game leves we have our fun on. Sorry but I disagree with all the things you wrote about the required time to check maps and that 'you're just normal people like me'. I am myself having a national community and I was doing all this work when it was on peak, receiving (accepting/refusing) maps and shit lots of other work, I know how it runs. If you had a simple small team of DEDICATED mapadmins who dont look for excuses and sit down for 1-2 days after work to test the few maps you got, it just cant take 2 months to deal with. Even if almighty spr1n is on holidays. I know it OBCIOUSLY take some time to do proper checks and balances actions on all the received maps, but it is all about your respect towards the mapper. I know you did not ask him to spend his time to develop maps, he did it because he wanted, and you should really show your respect and show some class, finally. Just an example: Do you know about my kzsk_communityblock map project? Do you know how much hard work it was to connect work of many mappers and how much time it took me to master it? I tell you lots. And do you know how long I was waiting till I finally decided to release it on kzsk website only? 6 months. It is just an example, and things havent change. If I want change? Personally I dont care. Ive done enough work for this community and ive had enough fun over the 8 years, and I am finished, but think about other players who are coming in and want to see fresh stuff.
And speaking of maps that shouldnt be there ? I am not shy to say My peakez is a great map and definitely dont feel ashamed of having it under my name, so i dont know what you are talking about. Yes karli, you were VERY nice with me when I needed a response from XJ and I really liked how it went and what attempts you did for this map. But you were the only one over all those years. And if Im correct, even you were complaining to me that time about the approach of others map admins (nothing to hide, nothing wrong, lets be honest).
I dont want to go very deep because its pointless and I know that, there were more admins in the past I was complaining to about this issue, and having almost no passion for the game anymore I dont care so much now. But I just want good for community because Ive always loved it and its just sad to see this happening YEARS and YEARS without noone competent coming it to change it.
Dont try to argue because this is not im my intentions, just this about what I said and try to understand ours, mappera, point of view - in the end you're one of them too.
And if there are even only 2 maps received, then for damn sake of community release it because you wont be getting 6 any time soon and you should know it.
You know we are talking specifically now about the two maps that spider1 posted right? read my previous post and find whats more logical instead and tell me why would u submit on XJ after that, plus you just admitted that you don't even care anymore about what's going on here, then you just come and complain about maps, whats so useful about that if you know already ''What's going on'' ?
I am not only nice to you just because i helped you etc to get the map kind of ready etc, i am open to everyone but no one contacts no one here, we have plenty of submissions that are submitted by non authors too if you know what i mean.
Like i said in all my posts, if at this particular time we aren't faster as before you should contact us and ask us why's that, if you see that there is no response even by contacting us, then i'll admit that we are not a good team, it isn't simple to organise a map release post either, we should be sure that all the maps are ready, we also have to wait for map authors to know if their submissions are ready...
If you think i am bad and one of ''them'' who doesn't do his job, that's fine i respect your opinions
but i am also sure you don't understand the whole concept nowdays..
there is CC for maps that are fun mostly, easy/simple made, even though there are maps that deserve/ custom-kz but author's submitted them only there, cus they know the map will be played anyways, and didn't care to have it on XJ, you guys can do it if you want, when you post on cc/ then on xj, you give us a complex task to do, cus at the end you are like ''oh there is that bug and i need to remake it, then my map on XJ will be different and on CC also different, at the end we both waste our time for no outcome.
I am open to discussion for anything as i said before.
Originally posted by FuZzy1imo nobody will think releasing 1-2 maps is unprofessional... There will be more activity on xj, mappers will happier, recorders will have more time to geek the map until a new one is released and the map will get more recognition...
Releasing 5-6 maps makes the coolest map get the spotlight and the rest of the maps in the release are forgotten or don't get the attention they deserve from the community.
Well if there is a map like sadpuppy did the gigablockier which has even trailer/videos a big climb road it is professional, so let me know if you wanna pimp it up in that way and we can talk about it lol.
as for 5-6 maps makes the coolest map to get the spotlight, not exactly cus all those 5-6 maps accurately got reviewed and deserve their map tag so all of them are good to play obviously, people just pick up and stick more likely to what they like, with 1-2 maps u will prolly play it a bit and after a week or two ask for more lol.
21/09/2015 17:36As I said I dont care anymore but I am just sad to see other mappers having same struggles in 2015 as I was having in 2007-12, that says it all. And as I said, I just want the good for the community.
But it is all fine, if you want to keep looking for excuses and keep delaying releases, all good go for it ;) We may have one release coming in two months then. And then one in summer 2016.
I said what I wanted to say and I'm not going to write anymore. Think about it or do as you do now. Bye bye.
21/09/2015 17:43(edited 21/09/2015 17:44)perd0, if i was the only admin here maybe i could make different DECISIONS and be faster, could be worse who knows? but its not like that, we work together as team and do our best, thanks for your discussion, i am not excusing on anything i am giving only the reasonable facts in a sense so you can guys understand whats going on, but there's nothing more to discuss that will benefit us in such a way.
peace
21/09/2015 17:48I don't have anything against you, KarLi, you seem like a good guy and the only map admin who seems to give a shit, at least in this thread.
As I said before this is just another discussion which will lead to nothing. For every suggestion someone made in this thread you had the exact opposite answer, so why bother... from your perspective, everything is fine, as it is.
21/09/2015 17:50Originally posted by FuZzy1I don't have anything against you, KarLi, you seem like a good guy and the only map admin who seems to give a shit, at least in this thread.
As I said before this is just another discussion which will lead to nothing. For every suggestion someone made in this thread you had the exact opposite answer, so why bother... from your perspective, everything is fine, as it is.
Exactly, but those weren't just suggestions, thats why i have to say something about them, i want to make clear, ofcourse some of them get out of the hook, but we should support each other instead and thats what i am trying to cover up on this thread, we have our plus and minuses, hopefully the best soon.
cheers
*OBVIOUSLY perdo. Just saying
21/09/2015 20:31(edited 21/09/2015 20:43)Originally posted by KarLiWell if there is a map like sadpuppy did the gigablockier which has even trailer/videos a big climb road it is professional, so let me know if you wanna pimp it up in that way and we can talk about it lol.
you made my day.
Question: Where was the professionalism there?
Everyone can line up some screenshots with ugly text, a stupid and not appropriate rap song to it.
If someone like perd0, spr1n or sp1der would pimp it up like that, it's a downgrade for them. Because its not their quality which they are aiming for.
I also followed sp1der on his road to completion of those maps on twitch, he still listen to user feedbacks and ideas and also he is one of the new breed which has ideas and quality than quantity.
Downside of this that sp1der has had to make this thread is that he had to wait 2months and longer to get feedback from your side as admins. 2 friggin maps and 2 months, i lulz at.
21/09/2015 20:42Originally posted by dEMoliteOriginally posted by KarLiWell if there is a map like sadpuppy did the gigablockier which has even trailer/videos a big climb road it is professional, so let me know if you wanna pimp it up in that way and we can talk about it lol.
you made my day.
Question: Where was the professionalism there?
Everyone can line up some screenshots with ugly text, a stupid and not appropriate rap song to it.
If someone like perd0, spr1n or sp1der would pimp it up like that, it's a downgrade for them. Because its not their quality which they are aiming for.
You always find something to go against my self, thanks for the 'hate' although, professional means atleast as a legit release if you only knew.
Peace
21/09/2015 20:49Originally posted by KarLiYou always find something to go against my self, thanks for the 'hate' although, professional means atleast as a legit release if you only knew.
Peace
False, its not against you its against the side of admin. Because to take that release as an example its the most unprofessional maprelease / presentation on XJ. Just look back to one of spr1n's releases that was professionalism in maprelease / presentation. Fly through the map and pleasent and appropriate to the map and atmosphere. Still my post was not AGAINST you it was towards admin and mapadmins.
21/09/2015 21:14Originally posted by dEMoliteOriginally posted by KarLiYou always find something to go against my self, thanks for the 'hate' although, professional means atleast as a legit release if you only knew.
Peace
False, its not against you its against the side of admin. Because to take that release as an example its the most unprofessional maprelease / presentation on XJ. Just look back to one of spr1n's releases that was professionalism in maprelease / presentation. Fly through the map and pleasent and appropriate to the map and atmosphere. Still my post was not AGAINST you it was towards admin and mapadmins.
My friend, you find ''professionality'' as something like superiority? where does your mind go to?
i explained already, a map like sadpuppy's which is a hour map + / - depends on the player is a map which could be seperated in 3-5 maps already, u think a player can play it fully in a day or two and master it? ofc not, but rarely yes, so back to my point, as i said we want everything legit and clear and as good as it can be for every map we get so we can create an accurate worth release atleast, and not keep it that simple.
I am on the side of admins and i am the one talking here, so you direct that into my side firstly lol
yes look at it : http://xtreme-jumps.eu/comment.php?comment.news.2176
it had promo's etc, and we should do that aswell in the next release imo, and why would you call that ''unprofessional'' ? what is it for you? can you define what a professional release would be please?
Of course it doesn't work. Oh whatever....
drama 10/10
Originally posted by MathzzOf course it doesn't work. Oh whatever....
drama 10/10
Don't flatter yourself please ...
21/09/2015 22:17(edited 21/09/2015 22:17)Originally posted by KarLiit had promo's etc, and we should do that aswell in the next release imo, and why would you call that ''unprofessional'' ? what is it for you? can you define what a professional release would be please?
Oh aehm wait let me quote myself again:
Originally posted by dEMoliteOriginally posted by KarLiWell if there is a map like sadpuppy did the gigablockier which has even trailer/videos a big climb road it is professional, so let me know if you wanna pimp it up in that way and we can talk about it lol.
you made my day.
Question: Where was the professionalism there?
Everyone can line up some screenshots with ugly text, a stupid and not appropriate rap song to it.
Did you got it now? It was all related to your post about gigablockier which was the worst presentation on xj.
21/09/2015 22:35(edited 21/09/2015 22:39)Originally posted by dEMoliteOriginally posted by KarLiit had promo's etc, and we should do that aswell in the next release imo, and why would you call that ''unprofessional'' ? what is it for you? can you define what a professional release would be please?
Oh aehm wait let me quote myself again:Originally posted by dEMoliteOriginally posted by KarLiWell if there is a map like sadpuppy did the gigablockier which has even trailer/videos a big climb road it is professional, so let me know if you wanna pimp it up in that way and we can talk about it lol.
you made my day.
Question: Where was the professionalism there?
Everyone can line up some screenshots with ugly text, a stupid and not appropriate rap song to it.
Did you got it now? It was all related to your post about gigablockier which was the worst presentation on xj.
Pimp the map that way, plus the video presentation, just like the previous release, u think promo's were the best? they were atleast worth it, same as gigablockier's video, so thats ''professional'' in a way, but for you professional its a pro movie just like the world records or something, if someone would do the videos in that way, its even better lol.
plus just because YOU only you, didn't like the video since its fun made and really old school doesn't mean its same for everyone, its fun, map is entertaining and thats what matters for a big project which is old school release.
and yes the map is professional, big ass map project made within so many years,and deserves a single special release, even other maps which last that long etc.
you are only negative about it, but im fine with that, keep it to your self mate, there's nothing more to argue here, i am only trying to be helpful as i said, and as a team we are trying to do our job right without rushes, atleast the results are/will be solid.
Originally posted by WOOF.exeOriginally posted by MathzzOf course it doesn't work. Oh whatever....
drama 10/10
Don't flatter yourself please ...
You know what they say about people who assume.
22/09/2015 20:08for me the discussing is over because i could quote my post 100th times and i think you wont get it.
Last message: Where was the professionalism on that quoted map presentation.
(Video presentation)
(Screenshots after another as a video and a unapproriate rapmusic is not professionalism. After all IT WAS all about THIS QUOTE and you didnt got it!)
22/09/2015 20:20(edited 22/09/2015 20:20)Btw I was told about the map checking process and there was this thing "Maps which players have contact with the skybox won't be accepted" basically something like this: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZV3iUN6Q6oE/hqdefault.jpg This is the biggest bullshit i've heard in my life
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