Is shNz the greatest KZ player to date?

to me he is the best bhopper of all time but greatest kz player, like all around, I dunno

shNz has really unique skills,he do a lot of combos,he's one of the best bhoppers and climber,also toffiffe is not behind shNz,his skills are also like shNz,he's fast,even in cups,he is also one of the best bhoppers and climbers,but the only thing is that shnz is much oldschooler than Toff, so I can't really choose between them who's the best,also SS has also a tons of records,but I mostly like his hard maps records,he's also a really good climber as well,the only thing I don't like of his is his movement and strafes,

I'd say hands down it has to be Lewly. And yes, shnz is the most powerfull bhopper ever, but the allaround best has to be lewly.

In my opinion most of his wrs will remain unbeaten for the next 20 years because it is pretty much nearly impossible to be faster than him, but the greatest kz player to date? It depends on your point of view and the type of map, because he is focused in bhops and as we know kz is not made of bhops only.

shnz's playful style looks fast because of the amount of movement he does. That has nothing in common with energy-efficient style of e.g. toffifee, which is more precise and as a results, you can perform smaller safety margin during the climb and therefore you get better blocktime.

But, who would like shNz to change his style, right? Its the most watchable thing around here

I'd stick with Toffifee & ShoCk. Nothing against shNz, you just need to consider everything and not just style.

he is a funny jumper and likes to take risk in his runs. He is crazy :)
i dont remember any1 could beat him in battles he always come back for the wr and even after long breaks.
look hrzn comment in goldbhop wr "so easy like i said" xD

Originally posted by shooting-star

But, who would like shNz to change his style, right? Its the most watchable thing around here

He's never satisfied with his runs although he does wrs, in his perfect vision for a run, it'd be pretty close to unbeatable.

He's far from the best KZ player though, considering that a "KZ" player has to have much more qualities than simply god bhops, decent climbs and average longjumps (his pb was 254 bl I think :D)

It's mainly because his style looks so eFFoRtless.

I've always been kinda conservative about this, but the guy who had the most records, at one time, is in my opinion the best ever. So the crown goes to shooting star, closely followed by the likes of lewly, KKZ, zhady and kelta. Within bhopping, I think he might be. Very spectator friendly style in my opinion.

My personal favourite was probably KKZ or zhady.

toff

For me shNz and keltA are the best bhoppers... shNz has amazing style and makes insane runs beauty for eyes, its hard to say about KZ... maybe LEWLY, zhady or novice who has incredible movements in everydemo and i am not agree with you shooting-star... that shNz makes more movements in runs and thats not making him faster but its not like that... doesnt matter if he makes more strafes or not at all.. not all his demos has sick movements its complicated , all about geeking and some players are faster than him in some parts and slower in others if you know what i mean... i will not forget Toffifee he is one of my favs after keltA and shNz :)

lewly

afu )))

didn't read all posts, i'll just say my opinion; before lewly he was the most innovative combo-breaker. everytime he broke a record, he added some crazy doubleduck then continued bhoping to the stop button.. it was plain crazy at that time. he definitely had and still has a huge role to kreedz development.
i would love to see him doing j2s_4tunnels because that map still craves for more combos which suits his style.

For me overall kreedzer I have to say koukouz, he was pretty next level on every level, of course he wasnt the best bhopper (that I give it to shnz) but overall, koukouz for me is the greatest. For a second place I would be in doubt for Toff or Lewly.

I wonder how the players themselves feel when reading these threads :D

zhady tho

ps sup shnz!