Count jump - hated?
you guys should stop Q_Qing about that. its just a little upgrade to the longjump technique, nothing special. if you suck at it, thats your problem, stop crying we dont care.
so stop being like all the WoW whiners "NERF WARLOCKS!!!" and start pwning some nubs.
one thing i must say ,that i hate cj not means i dislike bibo , anyway i like this guy ,of course , t3d too.
11/07/2007 18:32GUYS what r u talking about .Do u mean that bibo's strafes r ugly ? but have u seen the demo of bibo's
lj252 ?at that time .bibo's strafes r also very nice.until he did lj253(BACKWARD)
I think after bibo did 253BACKWARD .he think its the better way to strafe for longer units.so he did.
he is just try to jump more ferther.
if u have 2 choices
1-> ugly strafes more units
2-> pretty stafes less units
which one u guys should choice?
If we are talking LJ, I'd take nr. 2. If your strafes is pretty you are probably capable of jumping +245 which is more than enough for normal KZ maps.
personally i have no problem with cj but i could understand how people get mad when an old demo that was made without cj gets beaten with cj
i like these kind of duscussions, it's always amusing me :)
If there is a way to gain more speed in a jump, why shouldn't you use it?
I mean the goal of longjumping is to jump as far as possible, and if there is a technique which helps you reaching this goal, why don't use it?
With records on kz_maps it's more difficult.
It's sad for ppl when they made an awsome record w/o cj and another player can beat it easy with cj.
But the aim is to reach the top as quick as possible, and believe me, if the cj-records now aren't that good, there will follow nice ones because when there is a cj sc, good players will start climbing the map with it and improving their runs untill they are as nice as the old ones.
[ Edited 07/11/07 - 19:45:12 ]
Originally posted by PET@nGUYS what r u talking about .Do u mean that bibo's strafes r ugly ? but have u seen the demo of bibo's
lj252 ?at that time .bibo's strafes r also very nice.until he did lj253(BACKWARD)
I think after bibo did 253BACKWARD .he think its the better way to strafe for longer units.so he did.
he is just try to jump more ferther.
if u have 2 choices
1-> ugly strafes more units
2-> pretty stafes less units
which one u guys should choice?
If we are talking LJ, I'd take nr. 2. If your strafes is pretty you are probably capable of jumping +245 which is more than enough for normal KZ maps.
:) u just misunderstood me.
first u r right .If our strafes is pretty we are probably capable of jumping +245 which is more than enough for normal KZ maps.
BUT i didn't talk about 245 with pretty strafes is enough for KZ MAPS or not. I saw someone said that bibo's strafe is ugly.but bibo's strafe was pretty.he just change his strafe habit.
that was why i post my opinion yesterday .
I mean if u find u can jump 252 with pretty strafes.
but u can jump 254 with "ugly" strafes.
will u chose 254 or 252? ofc, I am just talking about something about CJ .CJ also need stafes~
:x
[ Edited 07/12/07 - 07:39:03 ]
Word to draken and ndR from the first page (didn't read the other ones :D).
12/07/2007 14:57Originally posted by PuppetZ^Originally posted by PET@nGUYS what r u talking about .Do u mean that bibo's strafes r ugly ? but have u seen the demo of bibo's
lj252 ?at that time .bibo's strafes r also very nice.until he did lj253(BACKWARD)
I think after bibo did 253BACKWARD .he think its the better way to strafe for longer units.so he did.
he is just try to jump more ferther.
if u have 2 choices
1-> ugly strafes more units
2-> pretty stafes less units
which one u guys should choice?
If we are talking LJ, I'd take nr. 2. If your strafes is pretty you are probably capable of jumping +245 which is more than enough for normal KZ maps.
:) u just misunderstood me.
first u r right .If our strafes is pretty we are probably capable of jumping +245 which is more than enough for normal KZ maps.
BUT i didn't talk about 245 with pretty strafes is enough for KZ MAPS or not. I saw someone said that bibo's strafe is ugly.but bibo's strafe was pretty.he just change his strafe habit.
that was why i post my opinion yesterday .
I mean if u find u can jump 252 with pretty strafes.
but u can jump 254 with "ugly" strafes.
will u chose 254 or 252? ofc, I am just talking about something about CJ .CJ also need stafes~
:x
Well, I still don't really see why I misunderstood you. I don't want to have ugly strafes, just so I can jump 2 units more (If that is the case, that ugly strafes = big distance).
Because the style of a jumper is the most amazing thing in KZ IMO, and if e.g. strafes suck, then the style is not really enjoyable to watch.
And beside that, 250+ is senseless.
[ Edited 07/12/07 - 14:58:23 ]
12/07/2007 15:00CJ destroys some old maps, and makes some old maps too easy (example xj_3ways)
yea man since cj exists 3ways xtreme is SOO ez....
[ Edited 07/12/07 - 15:16:47 ]
12/07/2007 15:46Yes, I do that in 3:59 with awp backwards. 'Cause I have CJ :))
12/07/2007 16:11CJ destroys some old maps, and makes some old maps too easy (example xj_3ways)
Agreed... the new demo is not as good as T3d's old demos.
So many countjumps in 007's demo, he didn't even strafe after doing the countjump... lol. (T3d had to do 4-5 nice strafes on the same jump)
Count jump = fair and skill? No way....
/edit:
Actually it's more fair to say:
CJ on Jumps which are IMPOSSIBLE with LJ = Leet and got my full respect.
CJ on hard jumps to make them easier = Lame and destroys good old demos :)
My opinion ^^
[ Edited 07/12/07 - 16:56:19 ]
Originally posted by PET@nOriginally posted by PuppetZ^Originally posted by PET@nGUYS what r u talking about .Do u mean that bibo's strafes r ugly ? but have u seen the demo of bibo's
lj252 ?at that time .bibo's strafes r also very nice.until he did lj253(BACKWARD)
I think after bibo did 253BACKWARD .he think its the better way to strafe for longer units.so he did.
he is just try to jump more ferther.
if u have 2 choices
1-> ugly strafes more units
2-> pretty stafes less units
which one u guys should choice?
If we are talking LJ, I'd take nr. 2. If your strafes is pretty you are probably capable of jumping +245 which is more than enough for normal KZ maps.
:) u just misunderstood me.
first u r right .If our strafes is pretty we are probably capable of jumping +245 which is more than enough for normal KZ maps.
BUT i didn't talk about 245 with pretty strafes is enough for KZ MAPS or not. I saw someone said that bibo's strafe is ugly.but bibo's strafe was pretty.he just change his strafe habit.
that was why i post my opinion yesterday .
I mean if u find u can jump 252 with pretty strafes.
but u can jump 254 with "ugly" strafes.
will u chose 254 or 252? ofc, I am just talking about something about CJ .CJ also need stafes~
:x
Well, I still don't really see why I misunderstood you. I don't want to have ugly strafes, just so I can jump 2 units more (If that is the case, that ugly strafes = big distance).
Because the style of a jumper is the most amazing thing in KZ IMO, and if e.g. strafes suck, then the style is not really enjoyable to watch.
And beside that, 250+ is senseless.
you still misunderstood . the reason why i discuss here was that someone said bibo's strafe is ugly . I can't agree with it. And I am strange why bibo change his habits of his own strafe . I guess maybe bibo thinks strafe which like now what he does can let him jump more units. if BIBO can jump more farther with pretty strafe . why did he change? who knows? I don't think style is the most amazing thing in kz. SKILL is the most amazing thing. Every one has his special style. people can like or dislike even hate his style. BUt WRs need nice skills to beat. yeah nobody wanna watch bad style they think senseless. If someone jump LJ255, but his style is not enjoyable to watch . u would say :oh shit, fuck the bad strafes ,how this guy can jump 255 in such ugly style. wonderful SKILL can make everyone shut up. Will you talk to others: hei ,guy, your strafes is so ugly .thats too boring to watch you jump .One answer is : but enough to get WRs, isn't it? talk about other people's style is useless. at last, as you said "I don't want to have ugly strafes". who wants to have ugly strafes? may be 250+ is senseless for you. But thats just ur opinion. many people wanna 250+, they think 250+ will be very interesting. PEACE :P
:x :x :x :x :x
12/07/2007 17:04Dude, I didn't understand any sentences in that post.
me too....
but you lies
[ Edited 07/12/07 - 17:21:12 ]
uall got problems -.-
its just a game
sorry but i cant understand these reactions -.-
13/07/2007 10:43Originally posted by FliboCJ destroys some old maps, and makes some old maps too easy (example xj_3ways)
Agreed... the new demo is not as good as T3d's old demos.
So many countjumps in 007's demo, he didn't even strafe after doing the countjump... lol. (T3d had to do 4-5 nice strafes on the same jump)
Count jump = fair and skill? No way....
/edit:
Actually it's more fair to say:
CJ on Jumps which are IMPOSSIBLE with LJ = Leet and got my full respect.
CJ on hard jumps to make them easier = Lame and destroys good old demos :)
My opinion ^^
[ Edited 07/12/07 - 16:56:19 ]
Come on.. There is still like 30 just as hard jumps on that map he didn't (and coulden't) CJ on. And you gotta admit, his speed on such a hard map was amazing. He failed almost more than T3d, and still beats him by 29 seconds!
And I mean.. Count jump is available and allowed, and makes stuff easier. Why not use it? Otherwise we just need harder maps than kz_xj_3ways[xtreme].. And as far as I know, there is one on it's way. :P
CJ FACT DISCUSSION:
1) CJ is LJ with new PRESTRAFE TECH
2) CJ is HARDER, koz DUCK and CLEAN HIT
3) CJ uses same BUG as BHOP LJ
ad1) CJ uses old technique of DOUBLE DUCK (DD),
which enables you to get on block without slowdown.
Trick is that when u press DUCK and release quick you
will bounce - which is the same as small BHOP when running.
ad2) Its harder to end with "DD small bhop" at the edge of block, rather than with normal LJ W+D running. Look on LJ THREAD, that many CJw like 254.658 (250), means that he jumped too early (up to 4.658 u), compare with LJs where is delta max 1 unit. secondly every bhopper u ask, will tell u how important CLEAN HIT is.
ad3) According to 1), BHOP tricks friction the same way as CJ... You like BHOP? and dont like CJ?
Than you fool yourself, firstly friction is just of case of HJ (u DONT trick friction on lower blocks), secondly on normal block, CJ is ABSOLUTELY SAME as BHOP LJ where u will get higher PRESTRAFE because of IN-AIR-STRAFING during "the SMALL DD BHOP in CJ" or "normal BHOP before u press JUMP"
only difference why with CJ u jump longer is higher in-air HEIGHT.
SUMMARY:
CJ uses advantage of BHOP LJ (higher prestrafe, in case of HJ no friction) and moreover it KEEPS HEIGTH of normal LJ!!
MY REACTIONS:
colix: ...the cj haters hate cj cuz they cant cj well
and thinks that cj is just a fucking crap new shit, what ruins everything.
-agree, ppl are jealous, conservative, not following FACTS
draken: ...The countjump outsmarts the HL engine...
-and what about, FASTRUNNING, WALLRUB, JUMPBUG, EB, LJ PRESTRAFE, STRAFE almost everything outsmarts HL engine
...many very nice demos are beaten because of only one uber mega SC...
-RECORD DEMOS ARE NOT COSMETC SALON, TIME of DEMO is main feature not its beauty, and XJ admins can still create new section (+-carpets, +-CJ) etc. -> np
reinis6: ..now it takes 1-3 weeks to do 255 CJ..
-id like know how did u find this out, btw very loose shot (look in LJ thread)
boolish: ...and i think all ppl would prefer to see a 255 normal lj then a 261/2 cj...
- not me 4 shoo, CJ is now nWo, has many advantages, is harder, LJ is history
cranzy: ..some newbs beat some cool records with cj (nobody personaly) But the man which g33ked all night to make the fucking record , and somebody to make some lmao demo with onLy 1 trick jump in it and to beat the demo , i can't applause this guy ...
- what about EB on gigablock, canyon, volcano etc.. guys before had nice runs too, try to understand that WR is bout TIME, and if one is better, its still possible to RE-BEATE WR BACK, this is how world moves foreward
flibo: CJ destroys some old maps, and makes some old maps too easy (example xj_3ways).
-address this to mapper, not to CJ, if u like old WR u can still watch em, or play map on server in way U like, remember point in WR is TIME, not MAP
faker: Agreed... the new demo is not as good as T3d's old demos.
-but how could be good demo with worse time a WR? equitation WR=TIME
..So many countjumps in 007's demo, he didn't even strafe after doing the countjump... lol. (T3d had to do 4-5 nice strafes on the same jump)
Count jump = fair and skill? No way...
Actually it's more fair to say:
CJ on Jumps which are IMPOSSIBLE with LJ = Leet and got my full respect.
CJ on hard jumps to make them easier = Lame and destroys good old demos
My opinion ^^
-so what if he didnt strafe, so what t3d needed 5 strafes, is it compulsory?
and is much faster when u fly directly, why not save time like with fastrunning,
and finally rules/knowledge are the same/available, t3d is welcome anytime to learn what
he missed and rebeat WRs, plus remember equitation WR=T (not beauty/mistakes)
WORD: Bibo, FAct, Tafatt, puppetz, ndR, pet@n, Illdepence, emti :up:
[ Edited 07/13/07 - 16:06:29 ]
13/07/2007 17:05kz these days is more about luck than skill
kz these days is more about geeking under immense pressure than having fun with a few friends
kz these days is more boring than it used to be
kz these days is more about finding shortcuts, using bugs in the engine and lucking a nice time.
And since there are all these bugs and geeked wr times, beginners don't really stand a chance of ever making a name for themselves. They only have a chance of making a wr on a new map really, which then gets beaten back immediately.
No wonder there are fewer demo releases these days...
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