more WR's (an idea for maps with huge SC&
05/10/2007 06:06fusion with kelten-xtreme?
05/10/2007 06:20i say only on maps that are destroyed like compound and fairy_island
i say only on maps that are destroyed like compound and fairy_island
and clintmo_longjumper
i say only on maps that are destroyed like compound and fairy_island
fairy_island already has two ways though...
i say only on maps that are destroyed like compound and fairy_island
maps that are destroyed is always a fucking relative thingy and not an absolute.
so it would give discussion about all maps cause everytime one person think "oh on this map this sc destroys the map" and another one think "no, it doesn't destroy".
that's why i say either realise it on ALL maps or on NO maps.
NO maps ftw btw :)
[ Edited 10/05/07 - 11:27:16 ]
if its to be all or none... then i agree with trouble. cause there are certain shortcuts which make the demo (4 example check out 8ball1`s movie - The Shortcuts Movie!)
so it`s like brian said too... maybe at some point u`ll get bored if the player doesnt skip a block or doesnt take an obvious shortcut in order to not destroy the map. anyways... i would like to see a demo on compound by a pro player. but i don`t agree with sublime! clintmo_longjumper, what does that say to u? longjump map...hmmm, ok... cj is somewhat of a longjump isn`t it? oh yeah... so cool! xD
if its to be all or none... then i agree with trouble. cause there are certain shortcuts which make the demo (4 example check out 8ball1`s movie - The Shortcuts Movie!)
so it`s like brian said too... maybe at some point u`ll get bored if the player doesnt skip a block or doesnt take an obvious shortcut in order to not destroy the map. anyways... i would like to see a demo on compound by a pro player. but i don`t agree with sublime! clintmo_longjumper, what does that say to u? longjump map...hmmm, ok... cj is somewhat of a longjump isn`t it? oh yeah... so cool! xD
for clintmo_longjumper, it's designed to make more than one jump. and especially for the easy part, because there's actual jumping after!
what is the aim of jumping kz?
To finish the map in the shortest time, isn't it? or may be to see picturesque maps and jumping technique? imo, the point IS to finish the map lagally with the best time. And all SC's are all mistakes or mappers (that is true, or you think it is jumpers fault?). If a jumper see the shortest way, why should he not to use it, when he is trying to make the best time?..
Imo, not good idea, there are many maps w\o sc's, so sc's are NOT a problem.
The aim of jumping kz is to jump. And the views of how this jumping should be done change with everybody. :P
The aim of making WR's is to get the fastest time possible. So if you were to take out a shortcut that cut off 50% or 75% (or more) of the map, then the goal is still to finish the map as fast as possible, just without that large shortcut.
SC's ARE the problem with some maps, Often it takes less skill to use a shortcut that makes a 3 minute map a 30 second map then it does to finish the map quickly without that SC. And alot of people want to see that.
The other alternative would be to block all these massive SC's and re-release the map .. but that's more trouble then just saying 'do the map without *this* shortcut'
As i said before, I know I'm not the only one who would like to see leet runs of compound and marioland and gigablock done all the way through using only the minor shortcuts.
Why? Because their almost entirely different maps without the big shortcuts.
"that's why i say either realise it on ALL maps or on NO maps. "
But that would be stupid, i never said select 1 or 2 maps which you can't do any SC's at all. I said find the maps that have shortcuts that cut the over-all length of the map in half or more or something along those lines and treat them like maps that were allowed to be removed and re-done with a fix to those shortcuts.
i agree
06/10/2007 10:15No you're not the only one Arokh, I'd like too :D
Let's wait an admin answer... =)
06/10/2007 12:43all SC's are all mistakes or mappers (that is true, or you think it is jumpers fault?).
NOT every sc is mistake.
just take a look on fairy island. ( i guess u dont this that sc is a mistake :O )
17/10/2007 17:32Maps are boring to jump the longer way when you know you could do it the shorter way :(
Anyway, i think we should only do 2 ways to some maps, which have really big shortcuts. The ceramicblock sc isn't even big... but volcano sc already cuts 1/2 which is pretty lame because the map is cool with the original way too. Marioland sc is huge too, but cuts many gay parts, so i don't really know. Trippin has MANY shortcuts so there would be like... 5 records? Gigablock sc cuts alot too, but what shortcuts should we disable from it? There are 1-3 edgebug places and at least 2 jumpbug shortcuts. Of course we could just make like gigablock[+shortcuts] or gigablock[-shortcuts]. If we do this to all maps we would have tens of rules for every map, what you could do and what you can't.
Just my 30 cents.
1/3 of marioland is cut off, more then 1/3 of trippin is cut off, more then 1/3 of volcano is cut off, about 1/3rd of Ceramicblock is cut off, more then half of mountainchurch is cut off, more then half of gigablock is cut off, atleast 1/3 of ultrablock is cut off, more then half of oldgraveyard is cut off, and how about the newer maps like cg_islands?
you forgotted kzse_bhopblock :! anyway good idea !
[ Edited 10/17/07 - 22:34:39 ]
only in maps with big sc. Gigablock [-jumpbug], volcano [-edgebug]..
only in maps with big sc. Gigablock [-jumpbug], volcano [-edgebug]..
yes and the bhopblock sc is big too :rolleyes:
only in maps with big sc. Gigablock [-jumpbug], volcano [-edgebug]..
I agree. Cuz' at those times when there were no 10.000hp chargers - eb & jb tehniques weren't discovered yet (I think).
[ Edited 10/18/07 - 01:00:13 ]
Originally posted by Gamsteronly in maps with big sc. Gigablock [-jumpbug], volcano [-edgebug]..
yes and the bhopblock sc is big too :rolleyes:
I do not know this shortcut. But if they think... :)
only in maps with big sc. Gigablock [-jumpbug], volcano [-edgebug]..
gigablock would then need to be seperated into three? like w/ jumpbug, w/ edgebug & normal route? >.>
I think only Jumpbug..
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