?crouch-hopping?

Started by Mr.Eiht
22/01/2008 12:46
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Mr.Eiht22/01/2008 12:46

-sorry admins if this doesn´t fit in here-

there new rules for cs-gaming@gotfrag
http://www.gotfrag.com/cs/story/41251/?cpage=1#comment_7790305

it´s now forbidden to "crouch-hopp",
or lets say it in other words, you are not allowed to press "+duck"
when You want.

I would like to ask you for your opinion,
`cause I turned into a wild animal,when hearing that.

Now I´m cheater `cause I -bind "MWHEELDOWN" "+duck"

PopiT22/01/2008 12:58(edited 22/01/2008 12:58)

Crouch-hopping is the lamest thing ever.

But i don't think you should be called a cheater/banned because you bind mwheeldown to duck.

Well i'm glad that the public servers i play on when i play shoot-cs have ban on crouch-hopping and permanent ban on scripted crouchhopping.

zhady Tournament #222/01/2008 13:40(edited 22/01/2008 13:43)

i dont use my scroll for +duck when playing "regular" cs, but i still always tap my CTRL button (+duck), it's like an addiction!

So i guess that kinda sucks :/

veer22/01/2008 13:41

its not illegal...

you just cant use mwheel to do it, only ctrl

if you use mwheel you can do it really really fast

BooLiSH22/01/2008 13:46

Originally posted by PopiT
Crouch-hopping is the lamest thing ever.

wtf? idocy...

i don't care because all the cs rules that forbid strafing bhopping ljing edgebugging shooting etc.. are pointless

i keep playing kz and there i can jump however i want to

mucholote22/01/2008 14:35

Silent running, has been banned from competitions for a while now. I don't think you'll get banned for mwheeldown +duck, you get banned if you actually do it.

bakeLit22/01/2008 14:42

begrip juhmp !

ackE22/01/2008 15:43

2bad for them :D

stask0 Tournament #222/01/2008 16:08

Originally posted by BooLiSH
Originally posted by PopiT
Crouch-hopping is the lamest thing ever.

wtf? idocy...

i don't care because all the cs rules that forbid strafing bhopping ljing edgebugging shooting etc.. are pointless

i keep playing kz and there i can jump however i want to



+1

cC|SpiNe22/01/2008 18:25

I dont think double ducking should be banned if you use it while stand still, and not to an great extent. I use it to peak over boxes. Using it that way is a lot better than jumping.

As for silent running, that should be banned completely its all part of the game listening to steps.

oTcHeTo22/01/2008 18:39

crouching to make silent run was forbiden from about 1-2 years even if its made with ctrl ! .. yeah i know its a bug in the game its like strafing and stuff .. and should not be forbiden but you know what .. still no one knows about fastwalk .. wallstrafing and stuff .. so i gues that we .. the jumpers still are little better than the other players .. i can realy say that on de_dust2 im getting big .. really big advantage when im terorist .. i can go yard faster than ct-s .. and most of the time ct-s are faster... so i dont know .. my post is meaningless and my english suck big balls

akM22/01/2008 18:46

care, ima still use it.

PopiT22/01/2008 19:12(edited 22/01/2008 19:16)

Originally posted by zhady
i dont use my scroll for +duck when playing "regular" cs, but i still always tap my CTRL button (+duck), it's like an addiction!

So i guess that kinda sucks :/


If you read more carefully you can still tap the ctrl button to peek over boxes and stuff, you get banned if you crouch-hop a long distance for example

Originally posted by BooLiSH
Originally posted by PopiT
Crouch-hopping is the lamest thing ever.

wtf? idocy...

i don't care because all the cs rules that forbid strafing bhopping ljing edgebugging shooting etc.. are pointless

i keep playing kz and there i can jump however i want to


Crounch-hopping make so you can run almost silent fast and it messes up your hitbox, thats why it's lame. I compare crouch-hopping to silent defuse, or silent plant for example (which is also lame..).

I love bhopping, edgebugging jumpbugging and stuff but thats not what this was about ^^

And why is my opinion "idocy"? lol, i just liked cs way better before the lame crouchhopping aka rysshopp.


EDIT. Btw, if people missunderstood, crouch-hopping isn't CJ, or counch-bhop.

Murvelman22/01/2008 19:40(edited 22/01/2008 19:54)

Even though i have faced many "crouch-hoppers" i have never been bothered by the hitboxes or anything like that.
It's a natural part of the game for me now.

Naghokez
[blockquote]"Some would consider it a quiet run, which gives any opponent an unfair advantage to moving to spots more quickly than their enemy."

Not true. First of all it does make a sound, which is why good players don't use it in a 1v1 when they're close to the enemy and want to avoid being heard, and second of all it's not an unfair advantage since both sides can use it, and it's therefore not quicker than the enemy.

"the player who is "crouch-hopping" has a distinct and clear unfair advantage due to the headshot "hitboxes" moving out of place. As many players that scrim, or possibly even played matches that have "crouch-hopping" players in it, you can clearly tell when the hit boxes of the head have been skewed."

Again, not true. One, you can't shoot accurately while crouch running so you have to quickly pause/stop to then shoot. I know you can do this very fast but your way of presenting it implied you could shoot while crouch running which would, in reality, be even LESS accurate than shooting while running normally. Two, I would like you to come up with some precise evidence that the hitboxes are skewed when doing it. I constantly play vs crouch runners and the truth is that if you point and click at the right spot you'll headshot them. People not used to them will however be slow to react and will therefore shoot behind them, which does NOT mean there is a hitbox problem but a problem with YOUR AIM. I don't really know how you came up with your "fact" that they can't be shot in the head even when they're still after crouch running because that's simply not true.

So basically this was a terrible answer to the other article. [/blockquote]
This was one of the comments to the article, and i think it sums it all up quite nicely.

zhady Tournament #222/01/2008 20:02

Originally posted by PopiT
Originally posted by zhady
i dont use my scroll for +duck when playing "regular" cs, but i still always tap my CTRL button (+duck), it's like an addiction!

So i guess that kinda sucks :/


If you read more carefully you can still tap the ctrl button to peek over boxes and stuff, you get banned if you crouch-hop a long distance for example

Originally posted by BooLiSH
Originally posted by PopiT
Crouch-hopping is the lamest thing ever.

wtf? idocy...

i don't care because all the cs rules that forbid strafing bhopping ljing edgebugging shooting etc.. are pointless

i keep playing kz and there i can jump however i want to


Crounch-hopping make so you can run almost silent fast and it messes up your hitbox, thats why it's lame. I compare crouch-hopping to silent defuse, or silent plant for example (which is also lame..).

I love bhopping, edgebugging jumpbugging and stuff but thats not what this was about ^^

And why is my opinion "idocy"? lol, i just liked cs way better before the lame crouchhopping aka rysshopp.


EDIT. Btw, if people missunderstood, crouch-hopping isn't CJ, or counch-bhop.


I tap it all the time, whenever, wherever all over the map not just over the boxes.

I am a good reader :)

NumB22/01/2008 20:18(edited 22/01/2008 20:19)

F*ck them! Just kreedz and do nothing more! I think thet none of kz jumpers hate this engine bugs cuz it's only thing in cs thet realy needs skills & you can't get luck here.

I don't like bugs anywhere to, but omg, can they just create anti-xj plugins if they are so noobed & think, thet xj is only luck & no skills? Or do xj scriptors have to create such a thing?

Cs will never be perfect & no buged. They have to agree with it or stop being noobs telling world bollshits obout what is ligal & what is not!

Sw1ft122/01/2008 20:59

not sure what this has to do with kz... but crouchhopping has been illegal in a lot of leagues/tournaments for a long time. being able to exploit a bug to run silently and mess up your hitboxes doesnt make the game better.

Mr.Eiht22/01/2008 21:06

Originally posted by oTcHeTo
crouching to make silent run was forbiden from about 1-2 years even if its made with ctrl !

LOL!
WHERE?WHEN?WHY?
Some facts (webside-article or something)plz.
This threat from gotfrag is brandnew.
Two years ago...

oTcHeTo22/01/2008 21:12

uh as i remembered it was forbiden on all wcg-s and all "big" tournaments .. never saw someone doing it on a tournament ..

Nilsen22/01/2008 21:57

Originally posted by PopiT
Crouch-hopping is the lamest thing ever.


Don't speak of things you don't know anything about. "Crouch-hopping" or rysshopp as it's called in swedish is allowed in all great leagues and cups in over the world, and it's pathetic that ppl who don't know how to do it or are to lazy to learn says it's cheating.

So, we gonna bann strafing in kz?

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