Longjump: Questions and answers
Shouldn't I get further with stats like this?:
Distance: 250.757843 MaxSpeed: 329.457244 (55.659) PreStrafe: 273.797271
Strafes: 7 Sync: 86
1 10.667 0.000 18 90
2 10.279 0.842 14 90
3 8.560 0.663 16 81
4 8.339 0.000 12 100
5 6.643 0.609 12 88
6 8.313 0.000 17 76
7 2.856 0.407 8 23
I mean people get much more distance with these kind of stats. Whats wrong with me..?
Distance: 250.702529 MaxSpeed: 339.049041 (65.431) PreStrafe: 273.617340 Strafes: 5 Sync: 86
1 15.483 0.000 22.9 75
2 15.367 0.057 18.9 92
3 12.130 1.040 17.5 92
4 12.474 1.123 17.5 92
5 9.976 0.815 22.0 82
what is wrong? 339 ms :(
Distance: 253.041885 MaxSpeed: 335.777099 (59.923) PreStrafe: 275.853149 Strafes: 5 Sync: 88
1 14.621 0.000 21.6 85
2 12.834 1.090 17.5 92
3 11.332 0.735 17.5 92
4 11.357 0.742 18.9 92
5 9.777 0.136 24.3 83
i don't understand.. if look to the columns.. they are almost same.. but in 253 i have 275 pre and 335 ms, and in 250 i have 273 pre and 339 ms.. is pre SO important?
And can somebody explain - what means each of columns, please?
big airtimes, imo
I HAVE PROBLEM AND I CANT JUMP PLS HELPPPPPPPP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrzcrKn_j6U
Originally posted by nktDistance: 250.702529 MaxSpeed: 339.049041 (65.431) PreStrafe: 273.617340 Strafes: 5 Sync: 86
1 15.483 0.000 22.9 75
2 15.367 0.057 18.9 92
3 12.130 1.040 17.5 92
4 12.474 1.123 17.5 92
5 9.976 0.815 22.0 82
what is wrong? 339 ms :(
Distance: 253.041885 MaxSpeed: 335.777099 (59.923) PreStrafe: 275.853149 Strafes: 5 Sync: 88
1 14.621 0.000 21.6 85
2 12.834 1.090 17.5 92
3 11.332 0.735 17.5 92
4 11.357 0.742 18.9 92
5 9.777 0.136 24.3 83
i don't understand.. if look to the columns.. they are almost same.. but in 253 i have 275 pre and 335 ms, and in 250 i have 273 pre and 339 ms.. is pre SO important?
And can somebody explain - what means each of columns, please?
The reason your distance is lower with 339 maxspeed than with the one under (335 MS) is simple. You are only doing 5 strafes, and when you take those big strafes to gain speed you actually lose some distance by moving "too much" to the sides. Doing smaller strafes makes you gain more in the long run even if the stats seem worse. Maxspeed and synchronisation of strafes isn't that important.
I recommend you do more than 5 strafes since you can clearly control that amount very well already. If you manage to get 335-340 maxspeed with, lets say, 7 strafes and you still have weird problems with longjumps please write something back here and I will try to help you as well as I can, and if I can't I hope someone else will.
I can tell from your stats, that you really have no trouble doing more than 5 strafes since the airtime of your last strafe is quite big. Perhaps even too big, just as duRke mentioned.
ALSO about you inquiring information regarding "each column"... I'm not really 100% sure if I understand what you mean by this, but are you talking about the numbers after/in the stats? I'll briefly explain what I know.
1 (first strafe) 14.621 (speed gained) 0.000 (speed lost) 21.6 (jump time) 85 (sync)
2 (second strafe) 12.834 (speed gained) 1.090 (speed lost) 17.5 (jump time) 92 (sync)
3 (third strafe) 11.332 (speed gained) 0.735 (speed lost) 17.5 (jump time) 92 (sync)
4 (fourth strafe) 11.357 (speed gained) 0.742 (speed lost) 18.9 (jump time) 92 (sync)
5 (fifth strafe) 9.777 (speed gained) 0.136 (speed lost) 24.3 (jump time) 83 (sync)
Hope that is clear enough for you.
Red = amount of strafes
Black = speedgain per strafe (count all partial speeds to come up with total gainspeed)
Blue = speedloss per strafe (a "perfect" strafe has 0.000 speedloss)
Silver = the percentual airtime of each strafe (first strafe: 21.6% etc.)
Violet = synchronisation of each strafe
Originally posted by multykillI HAVE PROBLEM AND I CANT JUMP PLS HELPPPPPPPP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrzcrKn_j6U
I don't really know why you get those weird lag- or FPS-spikes that often, those can be caused by a spectator in some public servers. I see, that you have a terribly high ms/ping/LAG in the server which affects your gameplay dramatically. Record a demo in your LAN-host and we'll see what kind of differences there will be to that clip of yours.
Also your FPS isn't really as high as it could be. I recommend downloading high FPS configurations and perhaps ballhead or blockhead-models that also boost your FPS. Adjust your configs so, that your FPS is as high as possible - 100.0 is the ideal amount (over 100 = cheat; developer).
Originally posted by joonsShouldn't I get further with stats like this?:
Distance: 250.757843 MaxSpeed: 329.457244 (55.659) PreStrafe: 273.797271
Strafes: 7 Sync: 86
1 10.667 0.000 18 90
2 10.279 0.842 14 90
3 8.560 0.663 16 81
4 8.339 0.000 12 100
5 6.643 0.609 12 88
6 8.313 0.000 17 76
7 2.856 0.407 8 23
I mean people get much more distance with these kind of stats. Whats wrong with me..?
Well... longjumps can be quite random. Atleast stat-wise; maxspeed, prestrafe and synchronisation of your strafes might look magnificent, but the distance might not. People have different kinds of styles that might give very nice stats but perhaps not such an amazing distance considering the combination of maxspeed + sync + prestrafe.
Your stats seem fine to me, sometimes just great stats give bad distance, its a matter of randomness as I said before - people have done ~335 maxspeed 245 longjumps along with 254s with ~320 maxspeed. I've done both of those examples myself since I didn't want to come up with anything not true.
Also your secondlast strafe has quite a big percentual airtime considering your other strafes. Its your secondlongest strafe, try making your first 2 strafes the biggest ones in your jump. You'll do fine!
percentage* not percentual.
i think 253 with 5 is pretty good tbh, but yeah its all random with speed and distance
I was testing you.
kafds, very big thanks for help. :)
I can do 6 - 7 strafes, but distance is not so good, max I do in 7 is 252.5
Whan I do 6 strafes, my 6th strafe is very bad, VERY low sync, VERY low airtime (in 50% of tries - 0 sync\airtime), 0 gained speed..
I try to concentrate, to do it nice, but its staying bad. In 7 strafes there is the same problem.
I have very big problems in controling airtime.. I do not feel the strafes.
This is because of my skill, but also I think because of my keyboard, it's 8 years old :D
One my friend said, that 1 prestrafe = 0.7 distance, is it true?
Distance: 233.076095 MaxSpeed: 324.630096 (54.129) PreStrafe: 270.500671 Strafes: 7 Sync: 80
1 16.619 0.000 18.9 92
2 12.822 0.589 18.9 84
3 10.355 0.105 13.5 90
4 4.512 0.763 12.1 83
5 4.229 0.000 9.4 85
6 1.394 0.322 17.5 28
7 4.194 0.000 9.4 83
No.
As quetz shortly said its not true. A prestrafe will affect your ability to gain speed in air and stuff like that.
I'm 100% sure that it is impossible to calculate how many units a prestrafe adds, since different strafing styles (note: if you have a certain strafe style, all your strafes are still different each time unless you use a script) affect your speedgain in the air in different ways.
Higher prestrafe = smaller strafes work better than wide strafes, and ofcourse vice versa for a lower prestrafe; bigger strafes are better.
if i press and hold CTRL (default duck) during a longjump will i lose speed? do i have to press it at the moment when i land, or can i hold it during the jump?
Originally posted by dimeolaif i press and hold CTRL (default duck) during a longjump will i lose speed? do i have to press it at the moment when i land, or can i hold it during the jump?
You must press it only when you land, if you press it during longjump, you will lose speed greatly and can't do good strafes.
i see thx for the answer. i'm a bit afraid of all these :D. i started to improve my techniques on de_ maps, but i start to realize i don't care anymore about them :D. i'm afraid i will play kz_ maps only and become a kreedz only player :D but i don't care of that either :D
However if you play with the popular illegal setting sv_airaccelerate 100 using duck in air doesn't affect your speed. But funny that you're afraid of becoming a kreedz player. :D
Hi. I would like to ask, what's the problem with my longjump. I mean what's the biggest problem, and how could I imrpove it. I started 3 days ago, so I know that everything is wrong with it. Here I got a screenshot http://img202.imageshack.us/i/kzlongjumps20052.jpg/ . I can make 234 jumps without any airstrafe (only prestrafe). If I try to make airstrafes most of the time I don't even reach 220 with an average 40 sync. My theory is that my course during the jumo is not nearly straight, so I loose a lot of distance. Please give me advice how to practice. Thx. (The framerate was steady 100, it dropped to 41,5 because I pressed F5-screenshot several times rapidly, so I've got no problem with framerate.)
guess the lack of answer means "come back when you can do 240 or so, until then, practice more"
You should consider posting a demo. Actually I think it's very easy to get far with 2-3 strafes. You make them wide,you get speed and so do you get distance. You shouldn't look at those,especially when you're a beginner. Try to train prestrafe until you get 270+ all the time,then go for 2 strafes until you get 60-70 sync all the time and then 3 strafes with 60-70 sync and so on.
Thanks for the advice! I'll do that.
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