Slow Motion to aid in learning to LJ?
24/04/2008 13:47(edited 24/04/2008 18:49)i have no idea how the hell this could be helpful
ouh yea, i know, if you brains have low fps that might defenately help
what really helps is 2 month ban imo
forget about cheats and hacks. just practice, practice, practice... I've never used any hacks and pulled out 252 lj... am I special? nope, like hundreds of those who listed in lj recs. this thread should be closed imo.
Originally posted by spr1ni have no idea how the hell thit could be helpful
ouh yea, i know, if you brains have low fps that might defenately help
what really helps is 2 month ban imo
Why the hell should you care about someone using slowmo on his private server? You want those people to be banned? Thats really childish and small minded imo!
24/04/2008 18:48(edited 24/04/2008 20:11)Originally posted by midianOriginally posted by spr1ni have no idea how the hell thit could be helpful
ouh yea, i know, if you brains have low fps that might defenately help
what really helps is 2 month ban imo
Why the hell should you care about someone using slowmo on his private server? You want those people to be banned? Thats really childish and small minded imo!
1st of all im not pointing at anyone. Its just my opinion exposed with sarchasm.
2nd i didnt said I care whats anyone doing on his private server. with my post I deny sugestion that "slowmo can help you to learn". no more no less.
did i asked to ban anyone? just reminding thats still cheat and border between trying and cheating very thin here (I hope you know ppl who steped over that)
childish... i have reasonable opinion here. u dont like it - just say so. no need for trying being smart
just reminding thats still cheat and border between trying and cheating very thin here (I hope you know ppl who steped over that)
I agree that I would be cheating if I were to use it where there are rules in place. But there are no rules on my own private listen server. If you want to argue "But the game is meant to run _______ fast, so you are breaking some rules, therefore it's cheating!" That's about as close as you can get to a successful argument about me breaking rules. But if I were to downgrade to a slower CPU (which the hack essentially just mimics a very slow CPU), then I would still have the same slow results, and it's not breaking the rules to have a slow computer. I should mention that the hack does not target Counter-Strike, it targets my CPU, so the entire computer runs differently (slower). It's not a Counter-Strike specific hack, therefore it does not modify the game.
As I have said before, I totally agree this is cheating if I use this in a public environment OR to allow me to do something the game isn't meant to do, and the game is programmed to handle running slow. But I am not doing anything the game wouldn't do on a faster speed.
Based on this same low level argument of "But that's not how it was intended, so it's cheating", you can also argue that longjumping is cheating as well because that's not how the game was intended. See my point?
I never wanted to turn this into an argument thread, I just wanted to know if there was something besides my slowmo 'helper' already in existence and widely accepted by the KZ community. You people get so uptight about someone doing something the way you guys didn't.
everyone should decide for himself to use cheats or not. u can't say its good for everyone or its bad for everyone.
24/04/2008 21:11yeah you can. youre not going to teach your brain/hands the movements using slowmotion. youre better off working it up the legit way.
You forgot to read the original post, clair. Oops on you. I clearly said I'm working my way up to normal speed, therefore, I will learn the normal timing in the end.
Or you could just start / always be on normal speed and learn it like everyone else. O_O
Really? I hadn't thought of that.
you don't get a VAC ban when you play with cheats against bots.. see the analogy?
lol you guys are stubborn. i think this is perfectly fine if people just can't get the strafes down, like malon said. he kzed for 2 years and still can't get it. it's just like any other sport or activity or w/e. just an extra training utility. they aren't going to use it when kzing regularly
omg0 and others insisted that they weren't cheating, but in fact they were. Say one thing, do another... it's just best to not use it at all imo.
Like the saying goes, better safe than sorry.
Originally posted by ajR`omg0 and others insisted that they weren't cheating, but in fact they were. Say one thing, do another... it's just best to not use it at all imo.
Like the saying goes, better safe than sorry.
that's true but take into account this thread is assuming you use it ONLY for training. in my opinion it would help if you gradually increase your speed.
I'm also not submitting any demos. That's why omg0 got banned (I think).
I'm sure that if I gave it time, I could learn to LJ at normal speed with enough practice. In 2 years of playing, I mastered 2 strafes, but no matter what I did, I couldn't get the feel for 3 or more strafes. I'm sure with practice I could get it at normal speed. I'm positive of it. But it's easier with a learning curve and not go head on with it.
I also don't have the time for lots of practice, which it would inevitably take me at normal speed. Most of you guys are younger than me and can come home from school and play games. Of course this doesn't apply to everyone (I emphasize that part so no one says "That's nothing! I have to do ____ and ____ and _____ and I learned!"). I get to play for a little bit every night, but not as much as I'd need to in order to learn with normal speed. I'm a college student in my final year, working 5 nights a week, and now I'm applying for my internship. This is why I prefer to use an aid when learning to improve my LJ distance.
28/04/2008 19:13Originally posted by MALONI'm also not submitting any demos. That's why omg0 got banned (I think).
I'm sure that if I gave it time, I could learn to LJ at normal speed with enough practice. In 2 years of playing, I mastered 2 strafes, but no matter what I did, I couldn't get the feel for 3 or more strafes. I'm sure with practice I could get it at normal speed. I'm positive of it. But it's easier with a learning curve and not go head on with it.
I also don't have the time for lots of practice, which it would inevitably take me at normal speed. Most of you guys are younger than me and can come home from school and play games. Of course this doesn't apply to everyone (I emphasize that part so no one says "That's nothing! I have to do ____ and ____ and _____ and I learned!"). I get to play for a little bit every night, but not as much as I'd need to in order to learn with normal speed. I'm a college student in my final year, working 5 nights a week, and now I'm applying for my internship. This is why I prefer to use an aid when learning to improve my LJ distance.
I think you're completely right and you can use slowmo if you want it yourself, but if you train it with slowmo, you may get used to jumping with slowmo. The bad thing in that is that your fingers most likely get slower and it would take time to get them used to normal strafes.
When my strafes are like crap, I like to go to some high map (eg. kz_man_terablock, kz_stoneblock(_ez)), put /speed on, and jump down strafing slowly. When it feels right, I try some faster strafes. If my strafes are slowing me even a bit, I change back to slower ones. Don't try supersmall strafes. I use big strafes and I can do 340+ maxspeed 'pretty easily'.
Those are just my methods for practice. You can try to figure out your own style. My fingers are just kind of slow, I can do 8 strafes if I press ADAD as fast as I can. Usually in a jump I do 6 strafes. So it's not necessary to do that many strafes, just sync them and make them big.
Just my tips. Maybe you could try them out if you like. I hope it wasn't painful to read this, I'm not that good in english :P
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Originally posted by Dragonyou don't get a VAC ban when you play with cheats against bots.. see the analogy?
actually you can, pretty hard for steam to see it, but it steam does state clearly in their Terms of service cheating is not allowed.
OT: I dont see how cheating can help, even if you slowly progress like you are doing, learning the proper way must always be the best.
There is no better way than continue practing and be pacient.
1) buy a good comp (if u dont have already)
2) open console
3) type developer 1, and fps_max ~300
theres your slow mo if you want it that bad.
Originally posted by r0fl1) buy a good comp (if u dont have already)
2) open console
3) type developer 1, and fps_max ~300
theres your slow mo if you want it that bad.
^^^^^Fail. I already have slowmo. Please RTFT.
Aren't you guys sick of fruitlessly trying to convince me not to 'cheat'? My slowmo 'cheat' has already helped me tons. I can now do 4 strafes quite naturally. Although they aren't synced well, it will come with time.
So to sum it up, those of you that said that cheating won't help, you were wrong. And do those of you saying that it's "cheating", well, as I've explained before, it's not even cheating.
Heh, I thought this thread had finally died...
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