About spr1n's demo on kz_cg_wigbl0ck
24/12/2009 13:17Originally posted by TlofTOriginally posted by KunquiHe used glass texture and made that 100% transparent
instead on giantbean you can't use any spray on that invisible wall because the map was made with "clip" texture that can not be sprayed
oo well you can tell how much i know about mapping -_-
if you used some kind of hack that had a jb replay, couldnt you just bind a button to perform a jb? so instead of duck+jump you could just time one key correctly? but idk
Ye, but it would still be really hard to time that correctly. Maybe even harder than usual.
I don't think spr1n cheats, and I don't think we should give potential cheaters now good ideas for cheating, but that's just my opinion. :/
I simply don't see any way you can practice jump bug... It's about one hundreds of a second, that can't be tought, human reactions aren't that fractioned.
A statement from him would be fitting here, I believe. Has he practiced or has he found a different technique.
Are there anyone who can do a JB once out of ten (1/10) jumps consistant?
If you can, I would like to see a demo with about 100 jumps.
Pulsar, just some arguments from me.
You say that jb in a row is 1/27000 possible. Ok just imagine, someone that jumps 240-245 says "It is 1/27000 possible to jump 256, so heat just cheats".It is the same situation. How sure can you be that you have captured the tactic to do jb. I don't agree with you for the luck, because jb can be luck, yes, but not always.
25/12/2009 14:21(edited 25/12/2009 14:22)Originally posted by scaryI simply don't see any way you can practice jump bug... It's about one hundreds of a second, that can't be tought, human reactions aren't that fractioned.
A statement from him would be fitting here, I believe. Has he practiced or has he found a different technique.
Are there anyone who can do a JB once out of ten (1/10) jumps consistant?
If you can, I would like to see a demo with about 100 jumps.
To answer your question, I'm pretty sure many people can do jumpbugs that often.
Where did you learn about human reactions not being so fractioned? I'd like a citation!
@ st3akOO7
According to NumB's JB trainer luck is always there. You can do the perfect key combination but still fail the jumpbug.
Flibo: Who?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_time
Faker : Both, the redrock and the wigbl0ck demos were checked and there were absolutely NO indications for a sort of hack/script/tuning that gives him an unfair advantage.
Just leave it alone :( or should i call chris cocker to defend him.
Originally posted by scaryFlibo: Who?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_time
And what about this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precognition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory
Don't you dare to judge the world according only to your abilities. That is the root of all evil, egoism.
26/12/2009 18:30Originally posted by scaryFlibo: Who?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_time
spr1n.
That's a totally different piece of cake. You can easily predict when you're going to fall into the ground.
Flibo: But you still have to make it in the excact same time, every time to get it. I just don't see how it's possible. It sounds too lucky... All I know is that jumpbug for me is completely random and a lot more luck-involved than edgebug. And doing 3 edgebugs is extremely lucky.
m0ver: I don't believe in paranormal activity.
I asked question about type of reaction on forum of main russian university. Will quote some proffesors answers here..
i've always heard reaction time to be around 1/7 seconds, so .142856s it will take you to react to something.
precognition seems pretty ridiculous to incorporate into a video game discussion, so call me closed minded, but thats bs imo.
muscle memory just helps you with the keystrokes, and sure, thats easy. everyone does that with strafe sizes, stand ups, 90 degree turns with your mouse, but to add that to timing something perfectly doesn't increase its chances at all.
to take out the reaction time you have to then guess when you would hit, which is easier theoretically, but without a perfect engine and fps (tiny fluctuations change everything) it hardly increases your chances.
i can't say if he cheats or not, i'd like to believe he does not, i'm just proving a point. anad puppetz i agree, i just thought of that while typing earlier.
Originally posted by scaryFlibo: But you still have to make it in the excact same time, every time to get it. I just don't see how it's possible. It sounds too lucky... All I know is that jumpbug for me is completely random and a lot more luck-involved than edgebug. And doing 3 edgebugs is extremely lucky.
m0ver: I don't believe in paranormal activity.
That is not paranormal, it is simply anticipation of certain event based on some exterior events. It is extrapolation.
Have you ever played table tennis? I am low skill player but sometimes my reactions are way too fast, faster even than my consciousness. I was just trying to disprove your "reaction time only" theory because he is not sitting there and waiting for some event in order to react to it.
He can guess when to react and in that way it is no longer reaction it is action. Muscle memory helps for quick coordination of unconsciousness finger strokes.
Pointing only to "reaction time" is irrelevant here, he is not driver that needs to hit brakes when deer jumps out, you are more like baseball player trying to hit ball at exact time.
27/12/2009 09:15will someone close this thread..
Originally posted by FliboOriginally posted by scaryI simply don't see any way you can practice jump bug... It's about one hundreds of a second, that can't be tought, human reactions aren't that fractioned.
A statement from him would be fitting here, I believe. Has he practiced or has he found a different technique.
Are there anyone who can do a JB once out of ten (1/10) jumps consistant?
If you can, I would like to see a demo with about 100 jumps.
To answer your question, I'm pretty sure many people can do jumpbugs that often.
Where did you learn about human reactions not being so fractioned? I'd like a citation!
@ st3akOO7
According to NumB's JB trainer luck is always there. You can do the perfect key combination but still fail the jumpbug.
Yes, you are right. Sometimes it appears "Perfect key combination but impossible condition", because you make the jumpbug earlier 1 frame before. Yesterday my hns friend MuPo made 2 jumpbugs one after another on hns_mie and i think that was not luck. He also did 3 jbs in a row, but in 50 cm height :dd
is there cm in counter strike? or he did a jb irl.
deus did 255lj 2 times in a row, why cant spr1n do 3 jbs in a row?
stupid noobs how you cant't understand that it's not correct to compare Lj and jumpbug. Cause it's the question of luck and probability. The probability that kz newbie do 255 lj twice in a row =0, the probability that spr1n and kz newbie do the jump bug is near equally. Is that clear or you so stupid?
trying to make your point by cursing makes your post random and irrelevant.
spr1n doesnt cheat.
Oh hello.
well I see it this way, script are imp these days and I even then I don't think u can script a JB, also heL tried to cheat a JB with a plugin but that was easily detect (even without fps-death if I'm correct) but spr1n's demos were found clear. so unless spr1n found a undectable super jumbugfake cheat I think he just geeked JB's, wich imo are trainable. I think he trained and sure luck had something to do with it but I think it was totally legit.
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