Do you feel deserted recent on KZ???

I didn't say you have to talk to every member in this community. If someone sends his application, you should just talk to him, because as you said, you don't hire admins that can't be trusted.. but you can't know if someone is trustworthy without knowing him. I don't think you would prefer that every member in this community would try to make friends with you in case of becoming an admin.. and that sounds kinda lame too.
So, choose yourself. Accept your friends only or learn to know people that want to help this community.

remake: You are a bit naive aren't you? Also you didn't really understand a word in what ndR tryed to say, did you?

Knowing people doesn't mean to be in personal and private contact, "knowing" people means to know some backgrounds and see what people are about. It's possible to "know" people by their contributions to the community and/or posts they made, when they give an insight into their maturity and ability to express themselves, how they treat other people etc.

As a mater of fact no half-way serious community would trust people blindly.

And for the matter of demo-releases, sure, thopa did a hell of work there, but there were mistakes as well (people that didnt use a cheat got accidently banned for cheating) or cheated/invalid demos were accepted and had to be fixed afterwards. Don't wanna talk bad-mouthed about his work, but sometimes quantity is NOT the most important thing.

And don't forget... nowadays there are 100 nasty ways of cheating and stuff that needs to be checked, causing demo-releasing to be way more time-consuming. Stuff was easier back at that time. Also it's really hard to teach new admins how to check all that nasty stuff properly, so u cant just recruit a guy and see how he does... and then start it all over again... you really have to be sure you can rely on that particular person before you teach him all the stuff (takes kinda ages).

remake, do you really just discuss with people because you seek attention, and not because you actually have something to complain about? Now I've read your argument here and I still don't get what your problem is with the way XJ recruits new admins?

And now you just suddenly agree?

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Well, actually thopa wasn't banned at any time, he got kicked out of the staff, that's right, but no ban (he had a warning tho).

About the cheats... No demand to be 100% correct, but the first bhop hack that was "undetectable" (with the normal fps-death admin readings) was found after thopa's era and needs some further and special checking. Futhermore nasty stuff like engine altering plugins such as sidespeed, changing only a few digits, and other forms of slowmo (we/eDark [that's a really hard thing to do, even for admins who know how to do it] can detect like 5 different ways of slowing down the game atm) were invented as well.

ndR is a good admin.

I remember that Supa ever applied for a admin?

remake I know that you are upset that we didnt choose you to be a new cup admin. You can blame me for that, seriously. You know that I like talking to you but sometimes I don't understand you. I mean I do understand where you're coming from, but I don't understand why you have to think like that. I would say "trust me" when I'm telling you this, but then I don't know if I should ask you to trust me. If you think you know me for a lot of time and you know that I'm fair and I'm not lying, you can trust me. Nobody and I mean NOBODY in the staff recruits new admins based on "that guy really loves me, lets get him in" or "we know each other, bring him in". No, it's not like this. But sure, if we know the guy, we have a certain advantage when we decide to offer him an admin position. It's good to know a bit the person who you want before getting him in, but this isn't the main criteria.

You (all) should also consider yourselves very lucky that you have these admins. I don't know how many admins from other big and serious communities would even talk/post to his members. I mean, do you see bds (sk gaming) talking ? Have you seen Jason Lake (manager of complexity, soon to be ex) ? Angel Munoz (president of ex CPL) ? Probably you will not understand why do I compare them with us or with faker, because we didn't reach their level yet. It's true, we didn't. It's just that we think that we are heading in that direction. For this we work. We all want to see KZ much more than what it is now. In my eyes, faker is a great CEO. We have a strictly professional relationship. You can't say that I'm a close friend with him. He does his job very well. He/we (the staff) always think at you (the members of the community) before making a decision. We work with him and we do a great job together.
ndR is damn right when he says that "The other communities' members don't complain because they're not used to give their opinion about any way the website chooses to follow". That's simply because those who run the community or whatever they are running, don't talk with the members like we do and they aren't even interested in hearing their opinions. In XJ is different because everybody knows everybody. Probably this is the biggest mistake. Don't get me wrong. I like talking with people, A LOT. But sometime I guess it's not that good.

And if we are recruiting new admins without making applications or things like that, it's because we think this is the best way to do it. But it DOESN'T mean that we are picking those who "love" us or who are close to us. Everyone and anyone has a shoot. It strictly depends on you.

The bottom line is that you (all) shouldn't be offended or upset or to take things personally. Every admin in the staff works for this community, to make it a better place. No one is acting in such a way that it could offend people.

I don't even know if I should have said these things, but consider this a transparency of what we are doing.

The way that the staff recruits admins works in a way that members of the staff, or possibly other users, suggest a person they believe would be a good addition to the team or that a user applies. If an application is sent, we will post it in the admin forum, review the application and learn his/her background and his/her present. There will then be a vote within the admin forums, and I can confidently say that we do not judge without knowledge, but that does not mean we only accept friends or known players.

An applicant with experiences is obviously often chosen above others, but we do appreciate any application.


@TlofT
The time we had with thopa were good yes, as he had good knowledge on demochecking and probably a schedule so that he would create releases frequently. Now with the new demoadmins, they need to learn what thopa had spent so much time to learn, actually slightly more, and adding to that they have exams/work. I can tell you as a witness that advanced demochecking is far from easy. How eDark discovered all these demochecking techniques is amazing, I have not yet understood how to check demos properly (slowmotion detection, advanced bhop-scripts etc.), but I am attempting to learn so that I may some day assist TinTin and ndR. Even with the tutorial eDark created, I am still left in confusion, so I will need to learn by experimenting.

m0ver's a great admin IMO :D and I want to see two project by him!! :D

Originally posted by quve

gargoyle, in your posts it feels like u're splitting the atom.

Originally posted by volte

It just seems like nearly every Admin up there on XJ is so tired off his work and does everything only with boredom and hate. So the thing I don't get, why don't you really recrute for new Admins? When I sent faker an application I got ignored until I wrote to him on IRC. All I got back from him was: "We are already working on someone, sry."


I'm not attacking faker now, it's just like: Admins say something happens, but in fact I think nothing does.

Ofcourse the new league is a great invention, but still, why are there leagues and cups and stuff like that, if there are only 2 semi-active (it seems like semi-active) Demo Admins?

Sorry if im failing but isn't XJ mainly focused on investigating Who is the best on a map and not on who is the most luckiest guy in a period of 5 minutes on a random map?



It's just weird