Do you belive god exist ?

Originally posted by Bu7ler

No, I don't believe that god exists.

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This is god

Originally posted by Gargoyle

It's no coincidence that the smartest people (wether it's IQ or achievements done to mankind (fuck art or culture) are mostly atheists.

tbh, and i'm sorry if there are any believers out there, but this is my own opinion, and it's going against any god's existence, so if you can't handle it, don't read it.

imo, "god" is something that human created to explain what he couldn't explain, and so, what he was AFRAID of. The problem is, religion and science have been fighting each other for a very long time, and by now, most of the things that were at the origin of religion, I believe, have been explained by science. I'm totally believing in darwin's theory about evolution. And I'm totally believing that there are causes to things that happen like tsunamis or such things, I mean a scientifical cause. I can't believe that there is any god out there that is playing each single day with thousands of life, playing sims you see. That just doesn't make sense at all.

But I still respect people who believes in things like that, because some people just need something to believe in, otherwise they wouldn't be able to wake up each single morning and maybe being doctor, being fireman, police man and these others profession where u can see a lot of violence / death and stuff like that.
I still do think that the BASES of the religion was made upon unexplicable facts, but nowadays it has become something that people needs, having faith, to face the real world. Thinking than everything was made for a good purpose is a very positive way of life, but I personnally can't see why the heck do someone butchered a 8 years old (~or so) little girl in france.

EDIT : About the "way I'm living" stuff that nucleaR mentioned, I totally do believe that our future is already written. I do believe in the theory that involves the fact that every single moment is happening a multiple of time with delay.. I don't know how it is called, but I do believe in the fact that our future, past and present are happening right now, had happened, and will happen.

Back in the days there was a similar thread here and I promised myself not to be dragged in religious disputes again, because it's sort of pointless with the amount of theologists-amateurs and know-it-alls on this site. But I feel obliged to defend what I believe in so let me explain a few things.
I'm gonna talk to you maximalZ, because you represent a prototype of an atheist and you used classic arguments that most people that have ever been involved in this kind of debate came across.

Firstly, religion and science don't oppose each other. I always rather say they together form a big puzzle of our understanding of the universe. The church has accepted Darwin's theory long time ago and is not rejecting Big Bang or similar theories. What is important for us Christians is that the first impulse for life or matter creation originated from a higher entity - God. The rest is science and no Christian should argue about it. I myself as a medicine student can be called a scientist, and still I don't feel like what I learn every day about the complexity of human body is contradictory to God's existence; to me it's more like an indirect proof.

Another thing mentioned here is the meaning of Bible. For heaven's sake, please. Bible can NOT be interpreted literally. The Bible is written in symbols and metaphores. I hope you didn't think that let's say Einstein believed that Earth was created in exactly 7 days. Again, it's a metaphore for a long time that the process of life-creation lasted.

And of course. We have the argument "why God lets evil happen in this world, why didn't he do something when [insert random tragedy, murder]. Well guess what, God did not create evil. We humans did. One of the greatest gifts God has given us is the gift of free will, and it is only on us what we make of it. In these days when "freedom" becomes such an important and delicate matter, how would you like a divine intervention that would turn us to good-doing machines? Yes, machines, because that is what we would be if we were programmed for doing good. We'd have no choice and would be no different from animals. Apart from this fact, without evil, how would you know what s good? The free will is one of the things that make people who they are.

I'm surprised you haven't pulled an ace up your sleeve with mentioning crusades, dark ages of our history and persecutions of heathens. Or even a royal flush by pointing out the pedophile priests. I don't want to go too deep into this matter, but in a few words : the church made many mistakes that were admitted by the highest representatives and they apologized for it. The church consists of people and people make mistakes. The problem is - the evil deeds the church had unquestionably made were always more prominent, because the church should be an example of the right way of life and a carrier of moral values. The same goes with pedophile priests. When was the last time you read in newspaper that some priest helped homeless people, educated socially weak children or in some way contributed to improve quality of someone's life? A long time ago, I guess. People just don't read this stuff. People are interested in scandals, and the media know that. Of course it is important to inform about deviant people like those pedophile priests. But there is no equilibrium between the bad and the good news which creates the image of the church as a spawning pool of mentally ill people. To conclude this paragraph, let me ask you a rhetorical question. Who do you think is a true member of the church - the one who claims it or the one who lives according to it?

Thank you if you have made it this far. Sorry for such an epic post, probably the longest since I've registered here, but religion is simply a topic far too complex to be covered in only a few sentences. I hope I've given you a clear perspective of a Christian about some most discussed matters. I know I haven't converted any stray lamb ( :D ) but it was my duty to say this (and I kinda like religious discussions ).

this thread is gna bring up big problems -.-
and not even gna say anything tho, unless its face to face, cuz internet debate is pointless

The bible God FTW..

no religions no wars

Hey Dragon, first of all I read your entire post :P
Second, I'm purely atheist, that's true, and I've never brought any attention to the whole religious story, so yeah, I don't quite know a lot, but I believe (at least I did believe) that religion and scientists were opposed a very long time ago, nowadays I don't know what's going on between these, but I guess they're living together pretty well, otherwise that'd be mentionned all the time.

Originally posted by Dragon

Another thing mentioned here is the meaning of Bible. For heaven's sake, please. Bible can NOT be interpreted literally. The Bible is written in symbols and metaphores. I hope you didn't think that let's say Einstein believed that Earth was created in exactly 7 days. Again, it's a metaphore for a long time that the process of life-creation lasted.

Originally posted by Dragon

And of course. We have the argument "why God lets evil happen in this world, why didn't he do something when [insert random tragedy, murder]. Well guess what, God did not create evil. We humans did. One of the greatest gifts God has given us is the gift of free will, and it is only on us what we make of it. In these days when "freedom" becomes such an important and delicate matter, how would you like a divine intervention that would turn us to good-doing machines? Yes, machines, because that is what we would be if we were programmed for doing good. We'd have no choice and would be no different from animals. Apart from this fact, without evil, how would you know what s good? The free will is one of the things that make people who they are.

Originally posted by Dragon

I'm surprised you haven't pulled an ace up your sleeve with mentioning crusades, dark ages of our history and persecutions of heathens. Or even a royal flush by pointing out the pedophile priests.

lol bible haha a book thats written by humans and rewritten 100 of times, changing its meaning by 100% everytime, making it not a book of god but a book of human lies