Are WR holders geniuses or just geeks?
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Have you ever wondered what's going on in the mind of all these Pro Kreedzers who jump 257.xx stats or can noncheck a map like kz_cg_extreme in short time? Are they geniuses or just geeks?
I want to cite 3 players for example:
Brian
The guy had provided alot of World Records and creative jumps (door jump on militia for example) that are still very hard these days.
shNz
Unbeatable at bhop maps. You take one of his WRs, he takes two of yours (Mafia style) :D And also did very creative jumps on bhop maps.
Koukouz
Was able to beat any map, whether they're easy or extreme leveled.
I'm not talking about players who have beaten a World Record once in their life, but those who are currently top players and record holders on prestige maps like bkz_goldbhop or kz_kzlt_dementia. These guys have spent alot of time in geeking and trained everyday. Of course, you need to practise to become good but that doesn't ensure you the same skills as your competition. Out of all Kreedzers in the world (150'000?) there are just a few who are able to jump that far/beat WRs (those players who actually attempt to record are probably a smaller group of people, but still…).
Are they geniuses or just geeks?
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I guess that they have decently level of knowledge and the rest is geeking.
I think that they have natural talent mostly but they had to geek to get where they got... Anyways when they got to the top5, they had a really high level so it was really easy for them to beat wrs and it wasn't necessary to play a lot of time one map to beat it
Originally posted by CaBeZaI think that they have natural talent mostly but they had to geek to get where they got... Anyways when they got to the top5, they had a really high level so it was really easy for them to beat wrs and it wasn't necessary to play a lot of time one map to beat it
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Originally posted by CaBeZaI think that they have natural talent mostly but they had to geek to get where they got... Anyways when they got to the top5, they had a really high level so it was really easy for them to beat wrs and it wasn't necessary to play a lot of time one map to beat it
I would guess "natural talent" too. I just can´t imagine myself doing no-cp run on long map. Two or three times I´ve tryed to record map and at the second I pressed start button I´ve become so nervous that I failed on such jumps I couldn´t imagine they are "failable" And that was freaking kt_megacliff... But "geeking" is still needed fosho.
Natural talent yeh? Not so many people were born to play kreeds I dont think, I'm guessing geeking is a requirement.
They just play a lot ;)
Just playing a lot, geeking, practise and practise is once again mother of success here. On the other hand, creativity and strong nerves (while playing cup) "abilites" are useful and can improve your performance.
How can someone who does a WR run wan be considered as a genius ? Don't get the point Jack ...
Originally posted by CaBeZaI think that they have natural talent mostly but they had to geek to get where they got... Anyways when they got to the top5, they had a really high level so it was really easy for them to beat wrs and it wasn't necessary to play a lot of time one map to beat it
Intresting thought. Reminds me on kayne's demos. When he was on top he beat alot of different maps like it was nothing.
Originally posted by WOOF.exeHow can someone who does a WR run wan be considered as a genius ? Don't get the point Jack ...
My thought was when there are so many players around the world, how comes there are just a few who can jump like that? Are there just less people who are intrested in recording or are the top players geniuses who leave their competion light years beyond? If geeking gets you on the same level, I'm wondering why the competition is so small. That was basicially my question. I'm not claiming WR holders are geniuses.
It's not about geeking only, but about talent too as well. I know many people who play around 5 years now and the biggest part of them are not even close to the skill of the current top5 players.
I believe that good mouse + geeking + talent is the key for success. Also some small details like game settings, cs' window size and comfortable workplace. However, I'm getting only worse with the time, so I guess I'm an exception :(
Honestly I think it's less about raw talent, and more about knowing how to improve properly. Sure, some people are just inherently better than others at certain things, but people are hindered by the innate probability that they are probably going to form bad habits, and that will hinder their play.
In my case, I've sort of hit a plateau in KZ because I've formed bad habits and can't shake them. My LJ can't break the occasional 250, and I've been active for seven years playing about an hour a day. I don't think this is because I just can't get any better, I think it's because there are some things wrong with my play at the very basic level that, in order to break free of these poor habits, I'd have to totally reconstruct how I play KZ. I believe that straight up geeking won't fix my problem, because I would only be continually reinforcing my bad habits.
In my opinion it is all about motivation. If you have strong motivation you will try to beat map day and night from the day you geek it. If you dont have that motivation , you will just stay on one level and by the time you will improve your skills but not as fast as if you are more motivate..
- Just practice and practice , that is everything if you want to be a good jumper ! :D
Ofc , you need to have some little things like good pc and good mouse ! :d
Originally posted by N3M0N- Just practice and practice , that is everything if you want to be a good jumper ! :D
Ofc , you need to have some little things like good pc and good mouse ! :d
It's all about having fun imo.
Of course that they are aiming for a wr and a good position but if you don't enjoy what you do then you most likely fail.
Of course a lil bit of knowledge is required too I guess. :)
Practise,joy, patience.
be it kz or something else, these are the stuff that matters for success.
- some people grasp stuff quickly than other people do, so some individuals are capable of doing things in two years what others cant even do in five years
- self interest
- love for the subject
- natural talent
- long time geeking (the talent that you build over the coarse of time)
my answer would be they are geniuses. even if u geek for a long time, if u dont have the talent, you would go nowhere.
20 years ago hard work mattered
now smart work + hard work matters :)
(btw opened up xj after a long time, the forum layout looks really great now. great work. :))
Alot of the recorders I've spoken to have said the same thing: Once you get your first few records, recording after that is as they say walk in the park. First records you try to do are always the hardest. The 'thing' that first records have is, it gives you confidence. Simply as that.
The confidence you gain from those runs is probably knowing that you can do it... you've done it before, how hard can it be...
To get those first few is varied ALOT among the top5 (for example) of today, some just get to that level faster then the others, but I really do believe you can be as good as them, time it takes is directly linked to your natural talent, but you can get there even without it.
I won't go pointing out names or even specualting who of the holders are playing the most and who has best natural talent since it's unnesessary.
Originally posted by KangarooHonestly I think it's less about raw talent, and more about knowing how to improve properly. Sure, some people are just inherently better than others at certain things, but people are hindered by the innate probability that they are probably going to form bad habits, and that will hinder their play.
In my case, I've sort of hit a plateau in KZ because I've formed bad habits and can't shake them. My LJ can't break the occasional 250, and I've been active for seven years playing about an hour a day. I don't think this is because I just can't get any better, I think it's because there are some things wrong with my play at the very basic level that, in order to break free of these poor habits, I'd have to totally reconstruct how I play KZ. I believe that straight up geeking won't fix my problem, because I would only be continually reinforcing my bad habits.
Nice read!
Though I do think geeking at some point would solve these fundamentals, but in my opinion the ability to spot out these things from the start, is also a definition of talent. Why if you have a master you will always learn faster.
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