SLIDE MAPS
hello everyone:) last night i had a interesting conversation with phinx and we thought to share the idea of making XJ more active and fresh than its now. Its a suggestion to XJ about accept "Slide" maps into maps list. Why ? Because on slide have a lot of opportunities for newcomers players, stars.. Its probably the last technique where limits are secrets, where is a possibility to find something new, something interesting. Also, Slide, as AXN, is other side of kz: high speed control. Slide doesn't need extra plugins or settings just maps! Its fullspeed gaming, here you don't need to strafe fast. You have to control speed and angle of the surface. Overall its perfect, for me ! its like some speed drug, it has so much strong emotions after i play slide maps. I think many players have same sense. New maps would be made , mappers would have more possibility / creativity to show. Even now there is tons of great slide maps which should be here in xj...
Whould be Great to see slide maps on XJ. Yes, no plugins and different settings it's just part of kreedz. Ofc it would be interesting for players ( not only for sliders, coz slide is a beautiful). If slide maps will accepted, more maps will coming ( we have some new ideas).
I think that it will make the community better only
I like to play slide, and its cool. Agree with Nannou
great idea, would love to see slide map wrs. but it will take xj forever to do the first step, as always
Originally posted by jack froggreat idea, would love to see slide map wrs. but it will take xj forever to do the first step, as always
Or just didn't move to anywhere. : )
I think only way to keep slide improving its to make own community, cuz XJ even can't accept WJ to the list of longjumps.
30/04/2013 18:16Originally posted by random`I think only way to keep slide improving its to make own community, cuz XJ even can't accept WJ to the list of longjumps.
i thought a lot about that. Xj is way too slow and oldstyle community with tons of inactivity.. people want new stuff not old for the fucks sake
i personally would like to see WJ added to the lj section, it adds a bit more activity and competition but also because there would have to be a new LJ map created (and i've seen alot of people moaning about mapping competitions) so it would be nice both ways. as fir slide maps, it would take such a long time to create because i think there would have to be a completely new detection program created specificly for that since it would be different settings
Originally posted by leggiei personally would like to see WJ added to the lj section, it adds a bit more activity and competition but also because there would have to be a new LJ map created (and i've seen alot of people moaning about mapping competitions) so it would be nice both ways. as fir slide maps, it would take such a long time to create because i think there would have to be a completely new detection program created specificly for that since it would be different settings
I think its usseles to make new map for WJ's, kzlt_weirdjumps is already made and i guess its best map for Weirdjumps, + 274block made there, and much 273's, i don't think that people want to geek it again only because of map.
30/04/2013 20:42(edited 30/04/2013 20:44)Originally posted by random`Originally posted by leggiei personally would like to see WJ added to the lj section, it adds a bit more activity and competition but also because there would have to be a new LJ map created (and i've seen alot of people moaning about mapping competitions) so it would be nice both ways. as fir slide maps, it would take such a long time to create because i think there would have to be a completely new detection program created specificly for that since it would be different settings
I think its usseles to make new map for WJ's, kzlt_weirdjumps is already made and i guess its best map for Weirdjumps, + 274block made there, and much 273's, i don't think that people want to geek it again only because of map.
agree, wouldn't like to lose my wr because of a map ;3
and yes, slidemaps would be really entertaining seeing them getting pushed to the limits, much more interesting than regular kz demos (speedjunkie)
I totally agree with you nannou, xj should add slide in section. Slide technique is still undiscovered part of cs, also it would make a xj more popular, this site definitely need something new, something undiscovered and something that will pick up more and more players. I'd like also to suggest one thing about maps and mappers (if this will be accept), there would be nice to mix kreedz with slide, like making map where one part of map would be about jumper, and one about sliding, this would be interesting at least for me.
Slide aint kz imo :(. Kz is about jumping, not flying around..
01/05/2013 14:15(edited 02/05/2013 11:36)Originally posted by guz-.-Slide aint kz imo :(. Kz is about jumping, not flying around..
it is in "Xtreme-Jumps Kreedz Tutorial" so it is a part of kz
Originally posted by leggiei personally would like to see WJ added to the lj section, it adds a bit more activity and competition but also because there would have to be a new LJ map created (and i've seen alot of people moaning about mapping competitions) so it would be nice both ways. as fir slide maps, it would take such a long time to create because i think there would have to be a completely new detection program created specificly for that since it would be different settings
WJ had to be added long time ago. Just admins dont want more work so they say ah its like dcj nothing much.
leggie about maps as we all know you sponsor the" leggie's monthly challenge" with money prizes. Why don't you support the idea of one month run demo challenge other month MAP challenge. You describe what you want to see more in the map (the techniques being included in the run) example the AXN map , slide map , maybe some places for jumpbug/edgebug (that means the map without hp boostr) or bhop only, normal block-type map etc.. Ofcourse dont do the shit like xj tournament did with textures..let the mappers be creative and express what they want with the design and theme..not being forced to make a example city map..Also you could mention the difficulty and the length of the map? anything you want..its on your own. I just give the possibilitys. This whole challenge would motivate mappers to map again, to do something fresh + you would get what you want to see in the map!:) Moreover, you can do another thing with it! After monthly "map challenge" the winning map gets awarded and next month you can pick this map for wr run demo challenge. Now these monthly run challenges are not active because it gets dominated only by pros who already know whole map. And if new map comes there goes better competition going on. Finding shortcuts to record demos etc would get more competitive among all of us. Even a bad player can pull out extremely creative shortcut and get the best time. Maybe some variations with slide could come where slide pros can shine ! And now if you see only players like LEWLY, shnz dominates everything. They already know the whole map, the spots where to bhop , where are all shortcuts and we get only same run but with more improved bhops which is not entertaining at all
Phinx omg;o you should get like reward of themostcreativeguyofxj2013!
01/05/2013 20:52Originally posted by random`Phinx omg;o you should get like reward of themostcreativeguyofxj2013!
props to nannou too
Originally posted by guz-.-Slide aint kz imo :(. Kz is about jumping, not flying around..
it is in "Xtreme-Jumps Kreedz Tutorial" so it is a part of kz
Lol, ye lets make smk_hnseu_suicide, edgebug official.. Jb and eb are in xj tutorial too woohoo.
02/05/2013 06:52(edited 02/05/2013 12:10)Originally posted by PhinxOriginally posted by guz-.-Slide aint kz imo :(. Kz is about jumping, not flying around..
it is in "Xtreme-Jumps Kreedz Tutorial" so it is a part of kz
Lol, ye lets make smk_hnseu_suicide, edgebug official.. Jb and eb are in xj tutorial too woohoo.
sure why not have more fun with the techniques ? more variaty in the scene would just attract players :) look at cosy activity , look how many new names are having fun there. But the problem in cosy is the maps. They are on too low standards like really ..accepting from 2 - 50seconds maps? or the maps with plain walls and blocks with no atmosphere and design ..like made in few minutes.. most of them are too short, there is no map checking team which would check the maps more strict not like now, more quality is needed there imo. Otherwise in XJ is just nonsense in map checking lol. These standards are like godlike ones... So many good and awesome maps getting declined for just pathetic reasons...and lets look how the whole admin crew threats mappers. Good example hm^ he spender so much time in a lot of maps for xj. Putted his heart there and what he got? How did you guys threat him ? Like a peace of shit that's how. Even not giving the 3rd place for the tournament when his map was way better and more competitive than Blakes..then declining all his new maps which were worth accepting... And thats not all! Later fucking up all his work with community bhop.. If the map needed the change why didn't you help him? Give some tips and advises to improve the map? And do you think you did the right thing? Do you really think he is going to map again for this community when you threat him like a peace of shit ? good luck with that attitude...I would rather see more average maps being accepted with decent details/atmosphere and jumps than waiting for a half year for the 5-4 maps release which are good looking...In the future there wont even be a mapper who is willing to map for this community. Why i should try so hard to get my map here if cosy will accept it anyways? Xj needs to change map standards quick and give more respect for mappers.. Mappers are one of those people who keeps the scene alive. But doubt it will ever happen while we have this administration. There is tons of suggestions being ignored..like example a really simple , good suggestion which is just easy to do - http://xtreme-jumps.eu/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?317273 is being ignored.. no answer for months.. Even you can see now how long any of these admins ignore the thread. And making a discussion private or not doing it at all lol
02/05/2013 11:18phinx fucking nails it
02/05/2013 12:09You can always apply for an admin and change things for good.
02/05/2013 14:15(edited 02/05/2013 14:19)[blockquote]Ofcourse dont do the shit like xj tournament did with textures..let the mappers be creative and express what they want with the design and theme..not being forced to make a example city map..[/blockquote]
There were reasons on why we decided to limit the freedom of work. It was mainly referred to keep it a fair play and reduce the possibility of cheating by submitting a pre-existing map. Moreover, judging maps that were made in totally different styles/themes would be a very hard or impossible at all judging process.
Regarding your mapping challenge idea, you know, this is a very rough sketch you made in a few minutes but it's not that simple. Now go and try to think out each detail in advance and I bet you will comprehend the challenge. It's not that easy as you think, you're thinking superficially.
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Good example hm^ he spender so much time in a lot of maps for xj. Putted his heart there and what he got? How did you guys threat him ? Like a peace of shit that's how. Even not giving the 3rd place for the tournament when his map was way better and more competitive than Blakes..then declining all his new maps which were worth accepting...[/blockquote]
Blakes map has been initially accepted because it had ambience and it had a more XJish look rather than hm^'s map which was utterly monotonus and had no ambience. The thing he tried to impress us with, implying that dart board, makes no sense since you cannot feel or see it while playing, so what remains of a feel is what have been said before. And that's why it has been denied. Although, the slide sc on Blake's map has been spotted before the release by the mapchecking team but was decided to keep it safe of modifications, I suppose mainly because of the rule we had which says once you have submitted the map it either gets accepted or denied. But again, I might missing some facts because mappers had a final call on that. As I said before, it's not like every effort of yours has necessarily be awarded. We are not a 100peopleregistered community, we are aiming to raise the resources to a maximaly efficient product. Last but not least it's not how we treat hm^, it's how we judge his quality of the work.
[blockquote]There is tons of suggestions being ignored..like example a really simple , good suggestion which is just easy to do - -link- is being ignored.. no answer for months..[/blockquote]
You do realize this might surely be one of the most important steps XJ ever had? It has been discussed privately and it's a very hard task to approach each map correctly since the variety of maps which needed or not needed changes is really ambiguous. Although I'm now admitting there haven't been anyone who tried to push it forward hard except a guy who stopped his tries on a half-way.
I'm glad that besides the shit you came with and strewed upon us you brought along some ideas but as I said they are roughly sketched and need a lot more thinkouts. So, if you're concerned on the things you mention as much as you're giving out "shits" and radiating rage and resentment, perhaps you should tryout for an admin position and make it a better place. I'll give you my vote in order to see you changing the things for the better.
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