SLIDE MAPS
02/05/2013 14:54(edited 02/05/2013 15:34)Yeah everything is hard, you need to discuss about these ideas for like tons of months..
Firstly I will admit that you are one of my mates i respect you. Very nice to see that you showed some time and interests to review the points we talked. After that slide boarder crap forums got inactive as hell and admins even seem to miss threads like this..nice to see you didn't ignore it. But i just cant hold the hate..Its just so sad to see the kz scene downfall and the xj simply doing nothing and supporting it..
[blockquote]So, if you're concerned on the things you mention as much as you're giving out "shits" and radiating rage and resentment, perhaps you should tryout for an admin position and make it a better place.[/blockquote]
Another thing that bothers me a lot is the pathetic excuses of xj admins like you made one there...But come one if i give a suggestion so maybe get in the work by yourself? But now the easy way is to blame person who suggest. "hey then you should be an admin and do everything by yourself" So what are you guys doing ? chill around or what to ask me to do for you guys everything? like seriously what the fuck
[blockquote]You do realize this might surely be one of the most important steps XJ ever had? It has been discussed privately and it's a very hard task to approach each map correctly since the variety of maps which needed or not needed changes is really ambiguous. Although I'm now admitting there haven't been anyone who tried to push it forward hard except a guy who stopped his tries on a half-way. [/blockquote]
oh my god i think we missed some epic drum solo for this isn't that right? ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT STEPS TO ACCEPT FEW COURSES MORE TO AN OLD MAP. DAMN THATS HUGE ! I bet it will take a year to do it. Woah. So we cant even imagine slide maps adding to this community if this takes so long lol
02/05/2013 16:46(edited 02/05/2013 16:49)[blockquote]Another thing that bothers me a lot is the pathetic excuses of xj admins like you made one there...But come one if i give a suggestion so maybe get in the work by yourself? But now the easy way is to blame person who suggest. "hey then you should be an admin and do everything by yourself"[/blockquote]
Your point was taken and if I'm right you suggest us have something new and somewhat out of routine. That's why we came up with that big tournament which is obviously the greatest fail to get it straight forward. What you came up with is easy to think of, it's not really that you suggest something. The reason I told you to tryout for admin is, you don't like the way we present "new" things or concepts and that's why I thought that it might be appropriate that you take it further than throwing off a few lines sketch and instead present us something more efficient or perhaps do it yourself, your way.
[blockquote]So what are you guys doing ? chill around or what to ask me to do for you guys everything? like seriously what the fuck[/blockquote]
What exactly have you done except dropping a fast line?
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oh my god i think we missed some epic drum solo for this isn't that right? ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT STEPS TO ACCEPT FEW COURSES MORE TO AN OLD MAP. DAMN THATS HUGE ! I bet it will take a year to do it. Woah. So we cant even imagine slide maps adding to this community if this takes so long lol[/blockquote]
Think widely. That doesn't refer to a single case, what I was talking about is to have the maps which have huge shortcuts shifted into various paths such +/- sc.
02/05/2013 18:09+sc - sc? thats retarded
02/05/2013 18:10lol okey what ever dont do anything. Pathetic community. Im out.
I'm not much into what's really happening as I was inactive for big amount of time, but what you have said, ShoCk, is plainly stupid.
First of all, the "You can always apply for an admin and change things for good.". This is why there is the current community leadership - to bring new ideas to life, make changes and if that is impossible for them, they would hire more people, who can help them (of course this goes for free on the KZ scene). Okay so he wants to help and has to apply for being an admin, but what if he gets denied? And exactly what position does he have to take? He asked about slide maps - does this make him a demo admin, map admin or another needless forum admin?
Secondly, you do not listen to people's desires. Not at all. A fresh example of that is the banner logo thingie, which people hated and I can insure you you have at least 10-15% less visits due it. Forums get like < 10 posts per day (or even less). Everyone asked you to bring it back, people even made threads and all you said was "we will have intern discussion" and a month (?) later, there's no difference.
And about the different routes people want to be added.. How does this change anything? You have to check several maps (which most likely you have already played) and decide upon either you make several new map routes or not.. This has been a suggestion for a really long time: http://xtreme-jumps.eu/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?317273 http://xtreme-jumps.eu/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?288485
and many more threads you can find in the suggestion forum. Check CyclopP's post "Alternative demos only for different courses - not shortcuts." Please answer me honestly - do you enjoy kayne's (or anyone's) risk_compound demo which is 9s and has nothing with the real proper route, which was meant originally? Basically by doing this you say "< 10s maps are ok, as long as they have some other kz stuff attached which won't be used"
What you are lacking as community is turning people's ideas into real stuff. You can see how many different suggestions there are on your forums and most of them don't even get an answer from an admin ( http://xtreme-jumps.eu/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?330806.20 even though admin answered, thread was just closed, nothing as statement or ...) ... As I've said in another thread: "As for the current time having suggestions/ideas is the most important thing in KZ/CS/World.".
For example, on cc I answer every suggestion (and/or bug) personally (or if not me, then another admin who has access to that) and for the current #40 submitted they're all considered as real possibilities. This is what you're lacking, you do not take people opinion's as imporant, but what you're missing is that they are the MOST imporant.. Because KZ is alive mostly because of them... Of course, you do great job as taking care, but if they weren't playing it, you wouldn't have anything to take care for...
IMO XJ without faker in charge of everything has gone out of control and is no more the same place it used to be, and tbh I think now it's too late already :/
phinx about your suggestion of a map challenge, that would be quite tricky to do, as you would give people 1 month to submit, but then you may get alot of really bad submissions, you may get stolen maps... then you have to test the maps to find that they don't have stupid SCs to destroy the map... then how do we choose whats best? it's kinda like choosing ROTW, almost always gets abuse from some people.... and as for LEWLY/shNz winning... i can't do anything about that, i try to avoid the really good timed maps, i try to differ the style a bit... but other people don't even attempt to beat those maps it seems, i think only lewly/shNz/toffiffe have submitted demos since i started that challenge....when i chose kzabsolute... somebody had a faster demo, all they had to do was submit it but they didn't... the "not so pro" people seem to be scared of submitting demos for it.... i don't know why..
i would like more maps to get accepted because i do get and agree with what most people are saying about the quality of maps as i personally love gameplay over looks, when i get my PC fixed i'll stick my nose into the private discussion about all this.
03/05/2013 15:04[blockquote]First of all, the "You can always apply for an admin and change things for good.". This is why there is the current community leadership - to bring new ideas to life, make changes...[/blockquote]
Isn't bringing new ideas to life what we are doing? "Leggie's monthly challenge", "ROTW Classics", "The Big Tournament", those are the most recent series we have come up with and some part still lies ahead.
[blockquote]...and if that is impossible for them, they would hire more people, who can help them (of course this goes for free on the KZ scene). Okay so he wants to help and has to apply for being an admin, but what if he gets denied? And exactly what position does he have to take? He asked about slide maps - does this make him a demo admin, map admin or another needless forum admin?[/blockquote]
It's all out of concern unless he has a complete and thought-out idea to present. I cannot garantee that he will necessarily be accepted but as I said, I'm up to give him my vote in order to see him realizing his idea. Although, there may be a garantee if he come up with a complete material, I'm sure other admins would support it in that case and he would get his chance. But what Phinx came up with is dropping a fast sketch lines of his incomplete idea, strewed a shit upon us, covering "why do I have to do everything for you?". Instead of coming with clear mind and a potentially sucessful idea so to provide us a real help or make things on his own. Not talking about slide maps idea now.
[blockquote]Secondly, you do not listen to people's desires. Not at all. A fresh example of that is the banner logo thingie, which people hated and I can insure you you have at least 10-15% less visits due it. Forums get like < 10 posts per day (or even less). Everyone asked you to bring it back, people even made threads and all you said was "we will have intern discussion" and a month (?) later, there's no difference.[/blockquote]
I personally supported the latest activity box idea and find it more efficient rather that the current banner which is indeed kinda going out of control. Also, we do listen our users, although it was decided that coming out of people opinions the final call is on staff, whether to support or not, collectively and objectively weighing pros and cons.
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And about the different routes people want to be added.. How does this change anything? You have to check several maps (which most likely you have already played) and decide upon either you make several new map routes or not.. This has been a suggestion for a really long time: -link- -link-[/blockquote]
As I said, there was a private discussion on that matter and it has lingered quite a lot because of high requirements, it's not easy as you might think. Noone still bothered to push it forward and it's yet partly because of not everyone supports that idea.
[blockquote]and many more threads you can find in the suggestion forum. Check CyclopP's post "Alternative demos only for different courses - not shortcuts." Please answer me honestly - do you enjoy kayne's (or anyone's) risk_compound demo which is 9s and has nothing with the real proper route, which was meant originally? Basically by doing this you say "< 10s maps are ok, as long as they have some other kz stuff attached which won't be used"[/blockquote]
Shifting a map into various routes would lead to the need of doing so for the other maps with similair issues, which flows into the previous paragraph and as said, no one bothered to implement it, that's true.
03/05/2013 17:54Originally posted by kzru`ShoCkIsn't bringing new ideas to life what we are doing? "Leggie's monthly challenge", "ROTW Classics", "The Big Tournament", those are the most recent series we have come up with and some part still lies ahead.
And that's doing so good, monthly challenge always delayed, last rotw classic was over 1MONTH ago, the big tournament barley got any attention by looking at the comment section.
Get weeklies back, always fun to read those.
03/05/2013 18:37Agreed with ShoCk.
i want to say that u admins really devoted much to the community and keep kz live for those years. every kz player should give thumb-up and true respect. However,although such words from Phinx (some another dudes too) might sound kinda strong or not so pleasant and show some compliment, anyway he's trying to give suggestions in order to make the community better, every1 who brings some suggestion is trying to help. so come on, dont mind the talking-way, strong words, personal emotions and such details. I mean, some suggest cautiously, politely and some do it directly, strongly.we need both these voices in a community so the admins could see the members' demands more clearly and give more concern.
well, my personal idea is that u admins do a great job but obviously u can do better. u are not doing the best of best coz maybe u are not so enthusiastic about kz the game as be4, may we say less motivated. so i personally suggest some fresh blood in the staff.
and to phinx as well as some similar guys, ye ur ideas are good but some changes are not ez to do or even suitable to do, there are many aspects to take care, so lets give some understand to admins. i'm saying this coz i know that, i'm doing the same job in 97club too, i know how hard to be admins. but plz keep up some new thoughts and share them.even admins wont just do exactly as what u suggest, at least it can be some inspiration and help admins work out a practicable plan.
huh ? I just ask about slide maps. You turn topic to xj politic. So please back to head thread theme.
04/05/2013 13:28(edited 04/05/2013 13:29)Discussion is underway on admin forums. I'll let you know when any news come out. For now it stands exactly what leggie said, we would need a new anticheat.
New anticheat? But settings the same, wtf :D (only god mod)
04/05/2013 13:51(edited 04/05/2013 13:52)[blockquote]
New anticheat? But settings the same, wtf :D (only god mod)
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no god-mode too. If the map doesn't have hp booster i hope god-mode wont be allowed like in cosy.
Hm, without god mod thats mb will more interesting - new ways, new times
In my opinion, xj crew is doing good job, making all these competitions is hella hard job, but let be honest, there's not so many active players and mappers on scene anymore, is like people got bored of kreedz and cs and realize that this game reached the limit long time ago. Yes, there's lots of new faces on scene but i'm afraid kz is counting his last days, same goes to cs.
Phinx, your idea is amazing, it would totally improve activity of mappers and even bring up some new one. As i said before, i totally support nannou's idea. Slide is still undiscovered part of cs, something fresh what would bring up so many new player here. But yes, anticheat would be one of problems, and i don't think eDark is gonna make a new anticheat ...
Let see what would faker say...
09/05/2013 15:464 days passed nothing new as we all could expect
09/05/2013 16:57(edited 09/05/2013 16:57)Originally posted by Phinx4 days passed nothing new as we all could expect
Originally posted by kzru`ShoCkDiscussion is underway on admin forums. I'll let you know when any news come out.
Which part is not clear?
I thought you were out.
09/05/2013 18:32(edited 09/05/2013 18:33)[blockquote]
Which part is not clear?
I thought you were out.
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But im home again. Now going to walk with my dog so im out again. brb.
btw
here take this
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09/05/2013 18:59potat))
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