Cheating: VNS
Hello everyone, today I gonna tell you about another Swedish cheater — VNS.
This time it is not such easy to detect cheat like kayne used. VNS using some bhop hack/helper that Juice made. I had found that there is something wrong with his demos already few months ago, but that is all what I had. Now, since I got some Juice's hacks, I can prove that he cheated in his demos.
Lets start.
At first, I will show you how looks normal (legal) bhops:
(green lines - +jump scrolling)
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/PiMvloR.png[/IMG]
(cg_cbblebhop_shNz_0106.20.dem)
shNz scrolling 4-5 times per bhop. This is how most of jumpers do.
Since he jumping for years he doing it automaticly. I mean, he will not get 2 or 7 scrolls per bhop, because he used to do it 4-5 times.
Now lets look at current/previous VNS' records.
Here he scrolling 4-5 times per bhop:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/toy3x5g.png[/IMG]
(cg_coldbhop_v2_VNS_0053.20.dem)
and later in this demo only 3-4 times
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/MfBl5xE.png[/IMG]
(cg_coldbhop_v2_VNS_0053.20.dem)
Next demo, at first 5-6 scrolls and then later only 2-3
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TGQkPGf.png[/IMG]
(cl_nuke_VNS_0258.96.dem)
This is mean that one half of jumps is cheated, and another half is legal.
2-3 scrolls per jump? Easy!
Such skilled guy as VNS can perform 1 frame on ground jump with scrolling only once!
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/wc5xE4i.png[/IMG]
(cl_nuke_VNS_0258.96.dem)
Not enough risky? What about twice with 10 seconds gap?
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/LDrpeAx.png[/IMG]
(kz_persia_VNS_0305.98.dem)
Another few jumps
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5vuK7Ez.png[/IMG]
(kzlt_village_VNS_0157.38.dem)
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/T0MxhYR.png[/IMG]
(kzm_cityhops_VNS_0308.87.dem)
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/sVSlaYp.png[/IMG]
(stf_creepytemple_VNS_0143.16.dem)
Skill or luck?
Obviously nothing of these, just not stable work of hack.
Also it's can be 2 scrolls instead of one
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/UhtDn5J.png[/IMG]
(cg_hitnrun_VNS_0154.17.dem)
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/abegJn8.png[/IMG]
(kz_kzdk_covebhop_VNS_0146.76.dem)
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ckeWbFV.png[/IMG]
(kz_kzdk_delianshop_VNS_0203.20.dem)
One of the cheats' console screen
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/mpWSaHv.png[/IMG]
My jumps cheated with such hacks
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/snKigtn.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/JuceAHG.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/mChymjv.png[/IMG]
Demos of my cheated jumps - https://www.dropbox.com/s/l9z81uj1hjystha/FAME%27s%20cheated%20demos.rar
Used in this article screens - https://www.dropbox.com/s/1n4yoqvy37n26ho/Screens.rar
VNS' cheated demos you can find in records list. All of them are cheated.
P.S. VNS' fanboys, please, don't leave your useless comments.
P.S.S. I'm sure there is more people that using such hacks, but I need more time to check them.
fame, marry me
I didn't understand it pretty well, can you explain it like I was a dumb man? :/
Not hating, just want to know more! I found this a pretty interesting thread
Feels a bit far fetched.
I mean comparing cbblebhop against coldbhop_v2 is quite unfair. It doesn't seem weird to me that you will use less scroll jumps since some parts you have to do standup bhop wicht is quite close to the block you jump from. So you have to scroll alot faster. I'm talking about the "kz part" on coldbhop_v2, cbblebhop is mostly straight forward.
The other demos though I cannot explain, still seems far fetched for me. I guess you have to check alot of different players and see if this is a common "behaviour" while jumping.
fame for president
Originally posted by vrvalsuafame for president
+1
since you got those cheats, did you cheat your coldbhop wr?
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sorry im not saying anything that this isn't right or he's rly cheating but for me mostly of his recs seems legit , also i know he's playing from 2008 , seen him in some sxj tournaments long ago and also mostly of his bhop maps recs you can hear the failed sound of bhop and around 10 jump too early in every wr , im not here to fight or judge but take this in consideration as well and also i don't think i got it too deeply after watching fame's demos , how comes if he's cheating he's loosing speed in all his wrs?(you can figure this from bhop sound too ) , he's scrolling some of them and after he uses hacks? just need a deeply explanation for a map like volcanobhop , thanks
play fucking mate
wow, you're such an idiot FAME.
Firstly, you do realise, that VNS switched his mouse from g400 to g500(s), hence different scrolling between the older demos and the newer ones.
Secondly, you are comparing bhops on bhop blocks and on non-moving blocks as well, that's the most retarded thing you can do...
Thirdly, the hack you were using is pretty much (if not completely) the same hack Lolz used, it was passed to leggie in 2013 (January) as well as to eDark and, especially VNS Demos, were re-checked back then in August or something. So, yeah.
Another thing is, the recent bhop hack, which no one has yet, coded by juice as well, scrolls 1 or 0 frames on bhop.
So, now, leave in shame and stfu already.
VNS is legit and you know nothing about demochecking. There is so much more to it.
For example, why don't you use something like this analyser?
https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/0/AABi5NgEUy1zABeRRuN7AsCtslKXTfSIVvZbirPBGaUs2A/12/56719849/jpeg/1024x768/3/1406059200/0/2/Juiceboiii%21.jpg/L-OynDl8Ba2ZNdx_GSTQJQC1pfM8HQloVYmij4OJd4A
or this? https://www.dropbox.com/s/a7kjbcybmfyrw4k/buh.png
right, because you're a fucking noob.
It's not about jumps per frames, it's about scroll distribution, you moron. Learn demochecking.
GG Motherfucker now plz fuck off or get raped by putin
w0w
oh btw, just to prove im not lying
here you go FAME, you FAMOUS cheat buster with INFAMOUS (aka zero) knowledge
http://www11.pic-upload.de/22.07.14/gtkayyisuknn.jpg
http://www11.pic-upload.de/22.07.14/yzzcf93n9lwa.jpg
hey atl
I say one thing, SWEDEN
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Originally posted by WeMeRAFeels a bit far fetched.
I mean comparing cbblebhop against coldbhop_v2 is quite unfair. It doesn't seem weird to me that you will use less scroll jumps since some parts you have to do standup bhop wicht is quite close to the block you jump from. So you have to scroll alot faster. I'm talking about the "kz part" on coldbhop_v2, cbblebhop is mostly straight forward.
The other demos though I cannot explain, still seems far fetched for me. I guess you have to check alot of different players and see if this is a common "behaviour" while jumping.
You don't need to campare two different demos, you need to compare jumps in one demo.
The problem is that most of you don't understand anything in my post and I really don't know how to make it more understandable for you.
Originally posted by Kiskissince you got those cheats, did you cheat your coldbhop wr?
I got this hacks only few hours ago.
Originally posted by Freezingsorry im not saying anything that this isn't right or he's rly cheating but for me mostly of his recs seems legit , also i know he's playing from 2008 , seen him in some sxj tournaments long ago and also mostly of his bhop maps recs you can hear the failed sound of bhop and around 10 jump too early in every wr , im not here to fight or judge but take this in consideration as well and also i don't think i got it too deeply after watching fame's demos , how comes if he's cheating he's loosing speed in all his wrs?(you can figure this from bhop sound too ) , he's scrolling some of them and after he uses hacks? just need a deeply explanation for a map like volcanobhop , thanks
Not all of his bhops are cheated. He can make, for example, one half of cheated bhops and another one legal. Hacks that makes your speed don't go >300 is easy to detect, so he is using hack that allows you to fail bhops.
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Fake account smelling here... but who? vns? or hes some fun.. admins should checked this
Originally posted by deidiMembers: 71396
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Fake account smelling here... but who? vns? or hes some fun.. admins should checked this
Its atL, dude.
hokay so, i like you're layout here it's good... however theres a few problems, first of all don't ever compare 2 different jumpers no matter how alike you think the style is... shit can differ them so much from setup to which hand they use to even how you're sat.
if you take a look at his older demos and newer demos when he used different mice you'll see a difference since that happens with different mice.... his jump commands arn't all the different and are relatively normal, as for the 1 jump command thats odd but can be caused by a number of different bugs which since you clearly like checking demos you should know this (for example pizza has quite a few bugs in his demos because he likes to use spacebar and scroll to jump and sometimes he gets 1 scroll commands + pink commands) also if they were the cheated jumps it would they would be the jumps that are perfect however if you look at those jumps with the 1 scroll most of them are way over 300 pre,
i applaud your time and effort but you looked at this 1 wrong, take a look at another swedish jumper that has been doing some recs recently.... i already proved that guy cheats ;) (p.s i was asked not to say anything about that 1 but some people are taking the cookie on banning him)
ggwp
Originally posted by leggiehokay so, i like you're layout here it's good... however theres a few problems, first of all don't ever compare 2 different jumpers no matter how alike you think the style is... shit can differ them so much from setup to which hand they use to even how you're sat.
if you take a look at his older demos and newer demos when he used different mice you'll see a difference since that happens with different mice.... his jump commands arn't all the different and are relatively normal, as for the 1 jump command thats odd but can be caused by a number of different bugs which since you clearly like checking demos you should know this (for example pizza has quite a few bugs in his demos because he likes to use spacebar and scroll to jump and sometimes he gets 1 scroll commands + pink commands) also if they were the cheated jumps it would they would be the jumps that are perfect however if you look at those jumps with the 1 scroll most of them are way over 300 pre,
i applaud your time and effort but you looked at this 1 wrong, take a look at another swedish jumper that has been doing some recs recently.... i already proved that guy cheats ;) (p.s i was asked not to say anything about that 1 but some people are taking the cookie on banning him)
I did not compare two different peoples, I just show how looks normal demos in most of cases.
About mices you are right, bhops can looks different depending on the which mouse you using.
But he have different bhop styles IN ONE DEMO which is statistically impossible. He need to change every 10 sec mices to have such bhops. About 1 frame and 300 pre - some of hacks allows you to fail bhops.
If you guys can't see shit in this two different bhops style just looks at this 1 frame bhops. You won't see anything similar in demos of other players and ffs, I have hacks that he using and bhops that I can make with them looks similar to VNS' bhops.