kzfr_wallclimb_race and related maps
Originally posted by kyserOriginally posted by Nikša JovanovicEither look at the door as breakable object ( wich is not)
or look at the door like it is an empty space, wich it is actually.
Imagine if there were bhop blocks instead of a door.
If he wanted to go to that position behind a wall. Jumping on bhop blocks could be considered moving the object before the start was pressed. I hope you can understand me. In this case everything should be legal as it always was.
thats the case of dbh_pipehop... but i actually consider a door as a "movable object" more than a "breakable object"... in the rule boths cases are contemplated :/
but the door isnt a movable object, its more like rotating around a axis (dunno if its a right word or not)
Originally posted by hefakzJust one last thing..i think my english ist very bad , because door isn't a movable object by Definition . You actually open the door and dont move it.
But like i said, maybe its the correct term in english language to describe the process of opening the door. So a question to all of you : How do you call it in your native language?
Still nobody answered.
Originally posted by PeKz^but the door isnt a movable object, its more like rotating around a axis (dunno if its a right word or not)
Ever heard of sliding doors?
Originally posted by Juice ._.Originally posted by PeKz^but the door isnt a movable object, its more like rotating around a axis (dunno if its a right word or not)
Ever heard of sliding doors?
but its not a "sliding door", is it?
the door didnt move from A point to the B point, just rotated
02/03/2019 10:29this is becoming surreal
02/03/2019 15:46When I first started as a demoadmin here I immediately thought the rules section needs some heavy cleaning and simplifying. Currently it's just a mess which is annoying for a new player to read and gives room for too many ways to understand them.
Now I'm sure we can all agree the purpose of the rule being discussed is to forbid changing anything in the map that could make your run faster. This includes breaking stuff, moving any blocks or opening doors. I think the actual purpose of the movables rule is to literally forbid moving any blocks. It stops you from moving any possible blocks to places that could save time. Not that there are too many pushable blocks in maps anyway.
This could be simplified as something like "you're not allowed to change anything in the map before starting the timer"?
Now about the timer buttons. If I'm not mistaken you're still allowed to use the end timer button through any possible walls (correct me if I'm wrong here). Why should the start button be treated so differently? If you're able to press it from a better position to improve your time I don't see the massive problem in this?
Originally posted by CommandeerNow about the timer buttons. If I'm not mistaken you're still allowed to use the end timer button through any possible walls (correct me if I'm wrong here). Why should the start button be treated so differently? If you're able to press it from a better position to improve your time I don't see the massive problem in this?
well thats quite simple... of course u can be smart and try to end a run by pressing the end button from behind or under a wall... the fact here is the beginning of a run in where moving/breaking some objets (not blocks) may bring u some advantage BEFORE A RUN STARTS, therefore anything happens DURING a run if u decide to press end button from a wall or door or whatever u want.
plz dont try to justify or give the rule other meaning, because is very simple to understand... just modify it and thats all.. keep the current WRS at wallclimb race and bhopwarehouse and close this thread :)
02/03/2019 16:17Guys, to be 100% fair, you gotta check literally all the world records, the best solution would be to allow to open doors before touching the timer, modifying the previous rule, but as I said, you gotta check ALL the world records. Wouldn't be cool to remove demos because of bureaucracy, if the solution is re writing the rule then I'd go for that, if it's not, it's a little bit more complex then
02/03/2019 16:26Originally posted by kyserthe fact here is the beginning of a run in where moving/breaking some objets (not blocks) may bring u some advantage BEFORE A RUN STARTS, therefore anything happens DURING a run if u decide to press end button from a wall or door or whatever u want.
I would say you can compare this to when players use hook to reach some higher ground to gain a boost for the start. These spots should be reachable by normal climbing too. So for example if there is a door in the map that needs to be opened to reach the top, you must open that too before starting your run right? Of course the door should be closed when starting the run then or it's not legal. But in the same way the player searches for a better starting position in the map.
Anyway I'm not the one who will be deciding this, just sharing my view on it. I'm fine with whatever decision is made.
Originally posted by CommandeerOriginally posted by kyserthe fact here is the beginning of a run in where moving/breaking some objets (not blocks) may bring u some advantage BEFORE A RUN STARTS, therefore anything happens DURING a run if u decide to press end button from a wall or door or whatever u want.
I would say you can compare this to when players use hook to reach some higher ground to gain a boost for the start. These spots should be reachable by normal climbing too. So for example if there is a door in the map that needs to be opened to reach the top, you must open that too before starting your run right? Of course the door should be closed when starting the run then or it's not legal. But in the same way the player searches for a better starting position in the map.
agree.. those cases should be also removed if we get attached to the current rule (written as it is).
Oh boy
02/03/2019 18:30I think Commandeer is the only one who understands this situation fully.
I hope I won't see another 100+ demo removal because of a stupid rule change.
Too many rules kill the room for creativity.
02/03/2019 23:16Originally posted by CommandeerOriginally posted by kyserthe fact here is the beginning of a run in where moving/breaking some objets (not blocks) may bring u some advantage BEFORE A RUN STARTS, therefore anything happens DURING a run if u decide to press end button from a wall or door or whatever u want.
I would say you can compare this to when players use hook to reach some higher ground to gain a boost for the start. These spots should be reachable by normal climbing too. So for example if there is a door in the map that needs to be opened to reach the top, you must open that too before starting your run right? Of course the door should be closed when starting the run then or it's not legal. But in the same way the player searches for a better starting position in the map.
Anyway I'm not the one who will be deciding this, just sharing my view on it. I'm fine with whatever decision is made.
This is what I'm pointing out
lol, i thought that rule is referring to Func_pushable(movable objects like those barrels from clintmo_ maps) and not to Func_door entities(hp boosters,doors, bhop blocks..).
maybe you should change the rule to: you are not allowed to interact with any entity on the map before pressing the timer button excepting the hp button.
imo if you consider kyser's case correct and remove fyksen's demo then you should remove all the demos in which players have touched bhop blocks or any other movable entities even if it's not giving him any kind of advantage.
like chichin said(i hope i understood correctly) if the door/bhopblock resets to it's original state/position without the help of plugins and before you press the start button then you should be allowed to open it or jump on bhop blocks to reach a better starting position.
03/03/2019 16:28There will not be any demo removals. We'll try to rewrite the rule so that it's clear what is allowed and what is not. Such starts as in the demos mentioned before will be allowed.
Case closed :)