kz_longjumps3(s) Community Alternatives

Hello everyone,

due to recent events, we've decided to open the doors for the community to be involved with the release of the map. However, since most of the work was already done and about to be released, there are going to be some specific requirements because of the unusual circumstaces that have occurred.

Rules:

1. The redesign/retexturing needs to keep the same techniques as presented in the current versions of kz_longjumps3 and kz_longjumps3_slides by Chichin and qicg.

2. This is NOT a mapping competition. You will not receive any kind of prizes barring the integration of the map as the official one for recording.

3. You are allowed to use the already finished versions of the maps by Chichin and qicg through the .rmf files (linked down below) OR create your own map following the aforementioned conditions, as long as you have the time to do it.

4. This could be done individually or in a collaboration with other mappers.

5. You need to keep in mind factors such as bhop blocks speeds, HJ block sizes and others so that the map is fair to the current kz_longjumps2 records and doesn't give any kind of advantage to the jumpers. You can, again, use kz_longjumps3(s) as a reference.

6. Since this is not a competition, you should submit all of your maps in this thread, so it is publically visible to everyone who's willing to help.

Deadline: 10th of July

Once all versions have been sent, we will open a poll with all the submissions (including the original maps by chichin and qicg) to let the community decide which redesigned/retextured versions of the maps they would like to see.

If you encounter any issues or you didn't understand something, feel free to ask. The map admins will also keep an eye on the submissions for any potential kind of problems. Hopefully, feedback will be ensued in due time.

Sources:

kz_longjumps3 by — https://www.sendspace.com/file/5eo5bj
kz_longjumps3_slides by — https://www.sendspace.com/file/7dpdzt

Try —'s unique version (subject to updates):

New version: kz_longjumparena_b4_Roadrunner.rar (21/07/2020) - This map has been released.

1. I believe you can approach the map however you want, as long as you follow the conditions. It was never stated that you couldn't do more than one map. So according to Rule #3 it is possible to have such liberty, keep in mind the deadline, though.

2. For kz_longjumps3, @chichin and @qicg should help out. Otherwise I believe you can use your own.

3. Rule #1 clarifies this.

This is as far as my knowledge goes, so map admins could correct me on certain bits if they weren't correct.

Nice idea Nubz, i really like it that you shared it.
i would like to post some moodboard myself.

Greenhouse: https://imgur.com/a/5mmZrqm
Minimalistic Concrete: https://imgur.com/a/lAS0P1G
Bathhouse: https://imgur.com/a/4XBvw2r

a nice reference website for more of these Environment Location Ideas: https://worldofleveldesign.com/categories/level_design_tutorials/100_level_design_ideas/100_level_design_ideas_and_locations.php

If there are promising projects with people clearly taking this seriously to upgrade the current map(s), but are still lacking in time to wrap them up, then the deadline will be adjusted accordingly. The current deadline is simply a preferable estimation of the time it takes to do a map (or redesign) of this calliber. In short, you shouldn't worry too much about the time, but at the same time please don't overextend the time limit if it is not necessary.

I probably shouldn't get involved but here we go. I'll never understand why so many people in this community always want to be a part of the problem rather than the solution. Everyone likes to talk a lot but very few are willing to put in their time and efforts to actually help the community.

The competition wasn't put in place because it's massive waste of resources. How much have you played the versions of ljs2 that didn't win? In a competition all the participating projects should be published and played for it to make sense, and unfortunately that just doesn't work here. I was hoping for this to be a co-op project from multiple mappers, and originally it wasn't like that. But now you have the ground work done, and modifying it into your own version is very easy.

You now have all the annoying/time consuming parts practically made. Modifying a ready made .rmf in 1 month is more than enough for a project like this. The current version of the map was made in less time than what has been given now.

I appreciate people throwing in screenshots for ideas, but let's be honest it's mapping we're dealing with here. I believe mappers will mostly follow their own route on this. Also as has been mentioned before, the map is already hitting the engine limits with whatever little architecture it currently has. Many of the visions people seem to have most likely won't even be possible.

You have now been given all the tools necessary to modify it into your own liking, get going with it!

I find it funny that no admin apologizes in any way for the fact that they would secretly release this if no one opened their mouth.

I saw this way before spider1 noticed it, but i thought i wasn't in the position to start another thread about what goes wrong (because self reflection isn't one of the things you guys are busy with in your daily life).

All you guys are confused about what the actual topic is.
I will put it in a metaphor since you guys are too stubborn to listen.

If it was about you eating all the hamburgers and not telling us there is enough for us all. And eventually we noticed there were hamburgers for us all and you just going to say, oh well now you can have some too because you asked for it, but you guys would never have the balls to say sorry for the fact you didn't share any hamburgers at the first place. than you are a really bad human being for not having any empathy.

if some one replies with a meme in a certain derogatory manner i will not participate and will not further participate in this topic.

I read a lot of admins talking negative about a lot of things and Commandeer's first paragraph is a contradiction on it's own.

Commandeer of course you do a lot of stuff behind closed doors, but can you really take credit for that? NO, because you do not share any information that we as audience can think that you are doing great stuff. We cannot put any quality towards your job, because its most likely going to hurt further processes. Do not get me wrong, this has nothing to do with you personally. but you cannot go state something with pointing fingers if you agree pointing fingers is the thing we shouldn't.



The RMF's we got has 2 big impacts.

1. We can't just accept the fact they are right in any way, we still need to face the fact the map is incomplete so might the structure of the techniques.

2. What is the maximum length of any technique (since some of them are too fresh to know the future impact)

e.g. 100 block lj is not the mimimum (220 is of course) but is 260 lj the max ever will be jumped? afaik 1 guy jumped 258 stats on 257 (so 258 must be the limit so far) do not reply on the lj min/max block because this is an EXAMPLE. i just want hard numbers

Originally posted by Commandeer

I probably shouldn't get involved but here we go. I'll never understand why so many people in this community always want to be a part of the problem rather than the solution. Everyone likes to talk a lot but very few are willing to put in their time and efforts to actually help the community.
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Are the new techniques really worth making a whole new map for? I mean if you're good at cj you're good at wj basically... As far as kkz jump/wallslide goes - the limit is going to be reached very fast, so it's only a matter of who submitted their demo first. Besides I think there's very little skill involved in kkz jump/wallslide especially when you compare it to any other technique. Duck bhop seems like a joke, sorry. Ladderjump is already included in kz_longjumps2, but for some reason you can't record a demo on it, why the hell would you even bother adding it to kz_longjumps3 then? All in all I think kz_longjumps2 is good enough, but that's just my opinion.

@malle the hard numbers are already set in the map. It's completely understandable, that getting it from the map is a pain in the ass, so here are the hard numbers. tbh, it might have been a good idea to put it in the thread, but I doubt OP knew this file existed. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FU2ahJO97HUCarNIk3PPaO9_exrF-vh8kmlmU0BfOYk/edit?usp=sharing

No problem, hope it helps everyone