Count jump - hated?

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the "oldschoolers" can't take that KZ is actually moving somewhere?

if CJ is bug.LJ is bug too....

The CJ is hated because half of the CS community has to find something random to hate, else their not filling their daily required "un-nessicary hate" quota.

Really, most of the CS community consists of 15 and 16 year olds, half of which are willing to jump on any bandwagon that comes across. So i wouldn't be surprised if a good number of people hate the CJ just because one of their friends hates it.

Dosn't really matter if people hate the CJ, it's legit and will be used. People who use it are the ones who are willing to expand and better their jumping skills. People who are dead set against using it will have to cope with trying to keep up with the ones that do.

To the haters reading this: The CJ will go on without you no matter how much complaining you do. You have 2 options, either cope with the change and better your skills, or just keep complaining about it .. Only one will further progress your jumping skills. :P

It's your choice to learn the CJ or not, just know that the ones who do and sucessfuly apply it to the rest of their jumping will pass you up and you'll have no-one to blame but yourself.
[ Edited 07/29/07 - 14:14:26 ]

hmm ur right akroh..although the reason I don't like it is cause any1 can do a long jump with the cj technique, with normal lj's not everybody can, it's more skills in it. and for kz maps i think it's good, u can pwn alot of new sc's and such.
another negative thing with the cj is that it disorientate ppl..i hear nubs all the time saying they did 258 lj and stuff only cause they might saw some1 else do a 258 cj , or just checked the website and saw that bibo did 261 not knowing it was a cj. as for now normal lj's is dominating the lj record page and i hope it will continue doing it since it's, as i already said, more skills in it and more enjoyable to watch then cj records..imo.
jaja im neutral to the cj technique:D:DD
[ Edited 07/29/07 - 14:32:20 ]

word knifehai r:D:DD

fat word to arokh <3

knifehair: there are much less ppl who can cj, so it aint true anyone can do lj with cj tech (Look in LJ thread as proof)!

and there is much much more skill to do good cj (255+) than good lj (250+)!!! (because of DD, clean hit, harder to jump form the edge, etc.) and remember CJ is LJ with new PRE, so u need skills from LJ + more

and i said it b4, more important is how many units did u jump, not how...

and i lil bit agree with u and faker that cj like 250 is lame and makes this number less psychological as it was be4, that it destroys good runs, wr demos,
but this is the evolution and its supposed to be like it is, and new jumpers will still continue to improve those records with "less skill of cj" so it will be about real skill once again...

True knifekair, but there have always been people who have said they've done something in KZ they really havn't with or without the CJ.

There is no more skill in doing a LJ then there is a CJ.

I don't understand why people say that, "It makes 250 to easy" yeah .. but every jump isn't based off of 250 .. a 250CJ would be reguarded as, say, a 245LJ if you get my meaning.

A 250LJ requires skill and a 250CJ requires skill but nobody will care about it because the record so far is 260 (which im curious as to how we're going to do 261+) If a CJ was so easy, then anybody who could do a 250LJ could do a 250CJ .. but they can't, it requires learning a different way of doing things.

Infact there's more skill required to do a CJ then a LJ.

With a LJ you just need a good prestrafe, need to time your jump as late as possible, and have good strafes.

A CJ needs a good prestrafe followed by a good double duck (as in you can't just scroll the duck button and do a quintupple duck and everything works) Which needs to be timed so when your feet hit the ground again your at the edge of the block, then you need good strafes.

The number of things you have to do for a CJ makes it ultimately harder to do then a LJ. But it can't be a 250CJ, it has to be higher, 258 for example.

You can't say that the CJ is easier then a LJ because it's easy to CJ a 250 .. that's like saying a 240HJ or a 240bhop LJ is really lame because their not 250. A 240HJ is hard, a 250LJ is hard, a 250CJ is not, but a 260 is.

With different jump teq's comes with different base distances .. Just wait untill we get a map that will allow the CJ to go past 260 and we'll be able to better see where the harder CJ distances are, and like the HJ, Bhoplj and LJ the CJ would finally have it's own standards to live up to.

Yes it's lame when someone says they did a 250LJ when they really CJ'd it but people have done things like that all the time, way before the CJ so you can't use that as a reason to hate the CJ.

To say it's easier to do a LJ then a CJ is wrong, because that's far from the truth, i had more trouble doing a 255CJ then i did a 250LJ :P you just can't base your reasons for it being easier just because a 250LJ is hard.

You can't compare the ease of CJ and LJ because I'm pretty sure that most people have LJed 4x or more longer than they've CJed, but the fact that you can get the hang of CJ in about a week suggests that it's a lot easier than the standard LJ.

Why are these people saying that kz is all about bugs? I'm pretty sure (as Fatalis once said) that the producers put airstrafing in the game so that jumping was possible. I'm pretty sure they set the physics so you could bhop too, and they set edgefriction on highjumps etc.

btw nice posts Arokh :)

ok well, i don't know if this has been said yet because i'm to lazy to read all these super-long posts.

CJ is obviously a bug, but longjumping, bhoping, etc. are not. if cs was still updated, i'm sure if cj got abused it would be fixed, same with the jump bug (which im sure would be abused much more). but this isnt going to happened because valve no longer supports 1.6 because it is old and out dated.

i understand why people could hate CJ.. most likely because it ruined the mainstream way of jumping. but yea, everything evolves so there isnt much you can do about it. i, honestly, think CJ is retarded. but thats my opinion. i think it's fun to watch bibo and others CJ, though because you never really know whats coming next.

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