Longjump: Questions and answers

Originally posted by Kasztan

Hey XJ,

I have problem with my longjump too. So, I doing 275 - 276 PreStrafe almost every time and 80 - 90 sync on 6 - 7 strafes but my record is only 253 stats. Fly time isn't bad. So what can be wrong?

Hi my airstrafes very bad and i can only do 4 airstrafes. My sync is almost shit. How can a i practise? i dont need the sv_gravity 0 thing.
Sorry for my bad english.

Originally posted by plowed

LJ Distance: 250.227340 Maxspeed: 331.179290 (57.108) Prestrafe: 274.070343 Strafes: 6 Sync: 89
1 11.354 0.000 20.7 100
2 11.676 0.881 18.0 84
3 11.009 0.000 18.0 84
4 11.336 0.000 16.6 91
5 8.598 0.000 15.4 81
6 3.134 0.000 11.0 100
Block -- 230! Jumpoff -- 10.515373! Landing -- 9.


What am I doing wrong?

This thread is full of people giving the advice: "just keep geeking."

What terrible advice. That's like telling someone who is shooting a basket from the palm of his hand that he needs to shoot more. Practicing more is useless if you are practicing the wrong way.

Most of LJ seems to be about things that have nothing to do with how much you practice. For one, some people geek lj for a few months and can do the 256 block, others geek for years and cannot even do the 250 block.

Ok, then, people say, then that is just a difference in talent. Bullshit. I'm sure talent is a part of LJ as in anything, but disparities like that being only talent is garbage because there are very few talents that lj requires - hand eye coordination? What else? Pretty much nothing. Anyone who doesn't have a nervous disease should be about on par with everyone else.

So why do some people LJ better than others? The more I look into it, the more it has to do with accidental consequences of a person's setup, their playing history, and the actual physical way they LJ.

For one thing, every LJer in this thread should know that increasing your mouse HZ will give you instant performance gain in both sync and maxspeed. Before I used 1000+ mouse hz, my strafes were always very weak (<10) and not well synced - after changing, I almost always get 10+ on my first 5 strafes. This will give you a huge boost to your distance (2 or so units above what you can normally do, at least.)

Second, the mouse you use is also very important. Certain mice are just better for LJ and KZ in general, period. This is for a number of accidental reasons, such as how easy it is to grip it (making it take much less effort to do quick strafes) and the scroll wheel (which matters not for lj but for bhop/CJ and much more).

Third, simply how you hold the mouse, the kind of surface your mouse is on, and how/if you use mouse skates also have colossal impacts. In general, using a mouse on a huge cloth surface can be a disadvantage, because generally cloth surfaces provide good tracking but a great deal of friction which slows down your strafing. In the end, faster strafing = farther distance. Mouse skates and/or a smooth low friction pad can provide an enormous advantage and benefit, because they lower the friction to almost nothing and are almost the equivalent of msl.

Finally, the whole high sens/low sens debate to me is just silly. High sens or low sens is your choice in the same way that it is a choice whether or not you want to be good at kz and lj. High sens is pretty much unequivocally better for all things KZ for too many reasons to count. Its just that a lot of people come into kz with their shooting sens and expect to be able to 256 LJ with it. Wrong - you need to either ditch your shooting sens or get used to having two different sense's playing CS (which, understandably, most people can't do, therefore heavy-duty shooters will never be uber LJers).

So basically, here are the main things you need to LJ well:

1) Good mouse. G5 or Deathadder are preferred for a reason.
2) High mouse HZ. Get the hack, or get the drivers that come with the software which lets you change it.
3) Adjust your setup. Look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec8YXDko0ho
See how easy it is for that guy to LJ? He just has to wiggle his mouse gently and his high sens + surface + mouse does the rest.
4) Decide whether you want to specialize in KZ, or keep playing heavy shooting. If the latter, you have to accept that you will not likely be surpassing dedicated LJers.

With all of these things done, then yes, ofc practice and hard work matters and also some people are probably a cut above the rest because of "talent" or whatever. But this whole "GEEK MORE" trend annoys the shit out of me.

I got good mouse, 100 FPS, but i can do only 253 LJ. What i am doing incorrect?
P.S., excuse for my bad English.

253 stats here:

[blockquote]Distance: 253.346923 MaxSpeed: 324.946319 (49.189) PreStrafe: 275.756958 Strafes: 5 Sync: 76
1 17.582 0.000 21.9 81
2 12.709 0.784 18.3 92
3 9.282 0.909 15.3 90
4 7.706 0.780 16.5 91
5 1.908 0.563 27.7 45[/blockquote]

i really need help with my longjumps. i dont know if it is my strafes or prestrafe or whatever. i get very low longjump distances and i need help.
heres a demo of me trying to longjump.

http://www.mediafire.com/?mhs9iym2lhcj302

Originally posted by shien.

I got good mouse, 100 FPS, but i can do only 253 LJ. What i am doing incorrect?
P.S., excuse for my bad English.

253 stats here:

[blockquote]Distance: 253.346923 MaxSpeed: 324.946319 (49.189) PreStrafe: 275.756958 Strafes: 5 Sync: 76
1 17.582 0.000 21.9 81
2 12.709 0.784 18.3 92
3 9.282 0.909 15.3 90
4 7.706 0.780 16.5 91
5 1.908 0.563 27.7 45[/blockquote]

1.dont try 6 strfs, go directly on 7
i started with 3 then 5 and now 7
2.try to get your fingers faster and synchronise even
3.learn a pre that'll be confortable for faster strafing, with this one your getting big pre but the angle of jump is too wide and your first strafe is terribly big ,which isn't good,try being less wide ,improvise
4.dont move the mouse too fast
5.practise and follow the steps^ and u should get 254 stats by a month

ps: i dont need to see a demo of you jumping , just trust me

Hi. I can jump now 250-254 stats on ground of all time. Sometimes i do 255 stats too but if i jump on any blocks i got low pre and i can't do my strafes. Don't matter what block- hj or lj, but i can't jump like on ground.
Excuse for my English.

Originally posted by shien.

Hi. I can jump now 250-254 stats on ground of all time. Sometimes i do 255 stats too but if i jump on any blocks i got low pre and i can't do my strafes. Don't matter what block- hj or lj, but i can't jump like on ground.
Excuse for my English.