Longjump: Questions and answers
Originally posted by StenGahI could jump 250+ (and block, record 253, yay!) stats frequently before and then I stopped LJ'ing.
And it was 4 months ago I stopped, decided to start again now.
I can jump 250+ stats (not block) from time to time atm but I sometimes get 228 - 232 ljstats, it says that I doesn't duck but actually I do, it's really annoying.
Why is that?
First time I ask for help about LJ..
Seriously man?
There is only one answer - you aren't ducking. Try doing one strafe less for awhile, or try binding duck to your mouse 2 button or something.
Before you guys post "problems" that you're having, take two seconds to figure out if that problem could be caused by anything other than jumping incorrectly.
If your second and third strafes are 0s, that means you aren't syncing them. It cannot mean anything else. If you aren't ducking, then you aren't ducking, period. Maybe your duck button is broken?
Originally posted by CowOnCrackOriginally posted by StenGahI could jump 250+ (and block, record 253, yay!) stats frequently before and then I stopped LJ'ing.
And it was 4 months ago I stopped, decided to start again now.
I can jump 250+ stats (not block) from time to time atm but I sometimes get 228 - 232 ljstats, it says that I doesn't duck but actually I do, it's really annoying.
Why is that?
First time I ask for help about LJ..
Seriously man?
There is only one answer - you aren't ducking. Try doing one strafe less for awhile, or try binding duck to your mouse 2 button or something.
Before you guys post "problems" that you're having, take two seconds to figure out if that problem could be caused by anything other than jumping incorrectly.
If your second and third strafes are 0s, that means you aren't syncing them. It cannot mean anything else. If you aren't ducking, then you aren't ducking, period. Maybe your duck button is broken?
Haha, my duck button isn't broken for sure! :P My sync is between 70-85 so that's not my problem. I've had this problem for like 6 months.
After like 4 months of that problem I started to do my strafes faster and it worked out well, then I strafed with my usual speed (yeah, lol) and I got the same problem again.
I think the solution to this is to strafe faster! I answered my own question.. GJ!
Well yea, if you aren't strafing fast enough you are not going to have time to duck. So do less strafes until you can strafe fast enough.
Most problems can be solved by working on 1 less strafe than you are doing.
FYI (maybe you guys don't care) I bought a new keyboard yesterday. It's now much easier to strafe faster and I have no problems now, the only problem is my synching but that is because I'm not used to the keyboard yet. :P
Originally posted by proppanthats some epic posting you did ther ;P
haha I just wanted to give as much info as possible.
@CowOnCrack, thanks for the info, i'll be focussing on getting from 7 to 8 strafes. Atm I got around 80% sync with 7 strafes so yeah.
Originally posted by zEz@CowOnCrack, thanks for the info, i'll be focussing on getting from 7 to 8 strafes. Atm I got around 80% sync with 7 strafes so yeah.
Sync doesn't mean anything. I can get 80+ sync with 10 strafes sometimes. If you aren't gaining a lot of speed from the strafes, then it isn't worth it. Do less strafes.
Here is my best MS 7 strafe jump:
Distance: 254.804489 MaxSpeed: 340.463256 (65.535) PreStrafe: 274.927307 Strafes: 7 Sync: 89
1 11.135 0.000 15.1 72
2 10.077 0.000 12.9 100
3 7.406 0.560 13.5 88
4 8.652 0.000 12.9 100
5 8.438 0.455 12.8 90
6 10.041 0.914 16.2 83
7 9.782 0.491 16.1 91
This is the kind of gain you need. If you're getting like 8/5/6/3/2/1/0 or something then its useless.
Funny how everyone says something else... Some months ago they said ms doesn't mean anything, just distance. Now it's the opposite... wtf?
Is it possible that both matter? MS matters to a point, and if you go beyond that point you don't get anymore distance. But if your MS is 290 then you aren't getting nearly enough. It is loosely correlated with distance, but not directly caused. That means higher MS generally means higher distance and vice versa, but a certain MS doesn't guarantee a certain distance.
If you've ever LJ'ed, you know that you aren't going to get a 256 with 307 maxspeed. If you've ever LJ'ed, you also know that you can get 330 maxspeed with 3 strafes and barely break 240. If you've ever LJ'ed, you know how it can be easy to do a gazillion strafes and get 80% sync but have like 4 gain average per strafe and your distance sucks.
LJ is complicated.
Originally posted by jack frogFunny how everyone says something else... Some months ago they said ms doesn't mean anything, just distance. Now it's the opposite... wtf?
Obviously if you are talking about what matters, only distance does. Go see heat's 256lj block done with 334 MS.
Those replies were largely in response to the deluge of people saying things like "I GOT 330MS WTF WHY NO 255".
Your typing style looks really arrogant, but thanks for the info.
Originally posted by CowOnCrackOriginally posted by zEz@CowOnCrack, thanks for the info, i'll be focussing on getting from 7 to 8 strafes. Atm I got around 80% sync with 7 strafes so yeah.
Sync doesn't mean anything. I can get 80+ sync with 10 strafes sometimes. If you aren't gaining a lot of speed from the strafes, then it isn't worth it. Do less strafes.
Here is my best MS 7 strafe jump:
Distance: 254.804489 MaxSpeed: 340.463256 (65.535) PreStrafe: 274.927307 Strafes: 7 Sync: 89
1 11.135 0.000 15.1 72
2 10.077 0.000 12.9 100
3 7.406 0.560 13.5 88
4 8.652 0.000 12.9 100
5 8.438 0.455 12.8 90
6 10.041 0.914 16.2 83
7 9.782 0.491 16.1 91
This is the kind of gain you need. If you're getting like 8/5/6/3/2/1/0 or something then its useless.
hmm I see, I experienced that I get more gain now when my strafes are wider.
okay i never thought ill write here but here it is - i have a problem.
My 2nd strafe is high airtime'd and low gain'd and i cant fix it.. altough i tried some stuff but no effect.
it looks something like this http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/fdfasdf.jpg/ and a demo of me jumping http://www.sendspace.com/file/y4uos0 i watched it in slowmo and everything but cant see anything wrong..
the other strafes are perfect , only this 2nd strafe is wrong.. and it is slowing me down, cant jump more then 256.5 with it.
Just remember that the airtime is determined by how long you hold the key, not by how you move your mouse. So examining it in slow mow might not reveal anything at all.
Just try pulling back after that second strafe into your third one quicker, and focus on pressing the key more quickly.
just did this jump:
LJ Distance: 247.322998 Maxspeed: 336.020050 (62.769) Prestrafe: 273.250488 Strafes: 4 Sync: 92
1 14.811 0.000 22.2 84
2 18.028 0.544 23.4 93
3 15.147 0.397 26.4 93
4 14.782 0.643 27.8 95
Good example of why strafes that are too big hinder distance, and why maxspeed isn't everything.
quick question: should i geek to get used to 7 strafes or is 5-6 sufficient for, let's say, 250+ in 7/10 attempts?
kind regards!
oh, any viable excercises for practicing pre (apart straight jump geeking)?
U can jump 250 with 3 strafes, but this 3 strafes must be perfect. Some days ago i jumped 249 units on 245 block, ye i know that this 249 is just "stat" , but i saw how some jumper get 250 block with 3-4 strfafes, hope i anwsered on u question. sorry for my sucky english. PEACE =)
P.S. CowOnCrack thx a lot for ur help in private=) U really help me with lj.
thanks for your reply, nunqmuo. yeah, i saw some screens with of 4 strafe 252 block jump, however im wondering wether it makes more sense to put effort in 7 clean strafes for a steady 250+ or just stick with 5 or six and work on those. read, steady 250+ easier with 5-6 or 7 strafes.
Of course, easier jump with more strafes=) Just do max strafes as u can и Стата Ñама придёт=)
What I'm doing wrong? :sadness:
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